Mighty's Contest Updates & Q&A Thread

So in discussing with the PT who’s been doing all my manual manip work through the week, I mentioned that I’ve been able to hit the gym everyday, to at least try and keep things ‘working’ as best as I can,… at least until the actual surgery date. When I mentioned how I was able to still do fairly heavy barbell curls so long as I locked my shoulder in place securely, she replied with “use it while you can, he’s probably gonna snip it”. This totally shocked me, not so much that they may have to indeed work on the bicep tendon, but just the actual visual of having my bicep physically cut. My brother thinks they may just ‘Debride’ (basically clean up) the tendon, but you never know 100% until you’re actually in there surgically. I believe most of my labral tear is in the posterior portion, and the proximal portion of the bicep tendon anchors to the labrum, so I can see how this can be an issue, especially with the stress I subject mine to with all of the heavy back training I do.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
So in discussing with the PT who’s been doing all my manual manip work through the week, I mentioned that I’ve been able to hit the gym everyday, to at least try and keep things ‘working’ as best as I can,… at least until the actual surgery date. When I mentioned how I was able to still do fairly heavy barbell curls so long as I locked my shoulder in place securely, she replied with “use it while you can, he’s probably gonna snip it”. This totally shocked me, not so much that they may have to indeed work on the bicep tendon, but just the actual visual of having my bicep physically cut. My brother thinks they may just ‘Debride’ (basically clean up) the tendon, but you never know 100% until you’re actually in there surgically. I believe most of my labral tear is in the posterior portion, and the proximal portion of the bicep tendon anchors to the labrum, so I can see how this can be an issue, especially with the stress I subject mine to with all of the heavy back training I do.

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Stu’s face when the PT told him they’re going to snip it.

Hope you have a quick recovery Stu. I’ll be following your progress.

Just to check in here,…

I’ve been getting to the gym as frequently as I can (practically every day), and although I have to be very careful with certain movements due to the lack of stability in my left shoulder girdle, I’m still pushing relatively hard.

I don’t think I mentioned this before, but since before the summer, I have had a very slight, nagging issue (just a pull or strain I assume) in my inner left quad/groin area. Most days it been fine, and I’ve been able to train legs around it with no real issues. However, considering that I’ll only be able to do leg work for a while following the shoulder surgery, I’ve decided to skip any leg work for several weeks, hoping the time will allow whatever nagging issue I’ve had to fully heal up. With a 3x/week legs only regiment, I’d rather not be worried about causing further damage to something that’s been lingering so long already.

So my present training has pretty much been an alternating 2 day split.

1-Chest (very limited), triceps, calves
2-Back, Traps, Biceps

Not too exciting, but I’m hoping by keeping my chest/back and arm muscles constantly working, I’ll be in a much better position after the actual surgery. When I asked my brother about still training biceps despite the torn tendon, he replied that I should go based on tolerance/pain, and that “You certainly can’t make things any worse” -lol.

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Just been reading through the last couple of pages. Sorry to hear about your injury Stu, wishing you a good recovery.

Apologies if this should be asked in a PM, but with all the arguments across this board recently concerning bulking and limits to gaining muscle naturally, I’m curious to know your opinion on the whole thing. What’s your general advice for a beginner ectomorph (1-2 years lifting experience) looking to get bigger? How much scale weight a week/month we talking? Just how soft would you recommend going?

[quote]COMEONDIESEL wrote:
Apologies if this should be asked in a PM, but with all the arguments across this board recently concerning bulking and limits to gaining muscle naturally, I’m curious to know your opinion on the whole thing. What’s your general advice for a beginner ectomorph (1-2 years lifting experience) looking to get bigger? How much scale weight a week/month we talking? Just how soft would you recommend going?[/quote]

While I would never suggest anything to limit gaining as much quality size as you can, the human body, with all of its individual variables can only create new muscle tissue as a limited rate. When you’re younger, and especially if your naturally thin or ectomorphic, you can put on a decent amount of fat with the muscle and still maintain a fairly lean appearance. Of course when we’re discussing ‘leanness’, everyone has their own definitions, whether they’re an average gym rat, or planning to one day step onstage.

Yates maintained that even with the genetically gifted, doing everything ‘correctly’, their body can only put on a couple of lbs of quality muscle each month at best. There are however some benefits of getting a bit ‘soft’ at times. Added weight can support joints, allow you to train a bit heavier (this is debatable, but I’ll throw it in), and will certainly assure you that you’re eating enough calories each day (of course quality nutrients can be in question).

On the downside, there have been plenty of studies showing that at higher levels of bodyfat, your body responds less favorably to insulin, and may not be in an optimal hormonal situation to continue packing on muscle.

In my personal opinion, I’ve always said that as long as I can see my abs when I flex 'em, then I know I can be contest ready in 16 weeks. That also leaves me lean enough that even though I easily fill out an XL shirt I’m not embarrassed to take it off at the beach. Over the years I’ve competed, each off season has seen me in a similar weight range, yet appearing leaner and leaner each year. So while my offseason weight, and maybe even my contest weight may appear the same, the amount of muscle relative to adipose tissue keeps improving.

To recommend a few general guideline, I’d suggest this:

-Don’t get so soft that you’re constantly feeling the need to explain what you’re doing. Sure, it’s great to look at the big picture, but you have to walk around every day in your body, and no one wants to feel like they look horrible

-Don’t eat tons of crap foods thinking it’s gonna help you. Sure, some people believe that you need to ‘dirty bulk’ if your metabolism is really fast, but I think those instances are really few and far between. Some people just need to learn to eat for progress better.

-Remember that your goal, if we’re talking bodybuilding here and not simply sports performance, is to look good! If you’re getting so far away from that, you need to reassess your approach.

Some one posted on another thread his plan to gain .5 lbs per week. Now obviously scale fluctuations can be all over the place. What I do with my clients, as well as myself, is chart daily weights, and take note of the lowest #s each week. All the higher readings may simply be water, glycogen, fiber… so go by the lowest.

If indeed you’re packing on .5 - 1 lb a week, that’s plenty! Sure it may not be 100% muscle, but you won’t be able to tell until a few months have passed. At that point… BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF! This is where many people do themselves the disservice of looking for anything to support the fact that they put on too much fat with their muscle gain.

S

Hi Stu!

What would you do if you did notice your self getting a bit soft sooner into a gaining cycle than you’d like? Would you do a small cut for a few weeks or just try and limit any further fat gain?

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]COMEONDIESEL wrote:
Apologies if this should be asked in a PM, but with all the arguments across this board recently concerning bulking and limits to gaining muscle naturally, I’m curious to know your opinion on the whole thing. What’s your general advice for a beginner ectomorph (1-2 years lifting experience) looking to get bigger? How much scale weight a week/month we talking? Just how soft would you recommend going?[/quote]

While I would never suggest anything to limit gaining as much quality size as you can, the human body, with all of its individual variables can only create new muscle tissue as a limited rate. When you’re younger, and especially if your naturally thin or ectomorphic, you can put on a decent amount of fat with the muscle and still maintain a fairly lean appearance. Of course when we’re discussing ‘leanness’, everyone has their own definitions, whether they’re an average gym rat, or planning to one day step onstage.

Yates maintained that even with the genetically gifted, doing everything ‘correctly’, their body can only put on a couple of lbs of quality muscle each month at best. There are however some benefits of getting a bit ‘soft’ at times. Added weight can support joints, allow you to train a bit heavier (this is debatable, but I’ll throw it in), and will certainly assure you that you’re eating enough calories each day (of course quality nutrients can be in question).

On the downside, there have been plenty of studies showing that at higher levels of bodyfat, your body responds less favorably to insulin, and may not be in an optimal hormonal situation to continue packing on muscle.

In my personal opinion, I’ve always said that as long as I can see my abs when I flex 'em, then I know I can be contest ready in 16 weeks. That also leaves me lean enough that even though I easily fill out an XL shirt I’m not embarrassed to take it off at the beach. Over the years I’ve competed, each off season has seen me in a similar weight range, yet appearing leaner and leaner each year. So while my offseason weight, and maybe even my contest weight may appear the same, the amount of muscle relative to adipose tissue keeps improving.

To recommend a few general guideline, I’d suggest this:

-Don’t get so soft that you’re constantly feeling the need to explain what you’re doing. Sure, it’s great to look at the big picture, but you have to walk around every day in your body, and no one wants to feel like they look horrible

-Don’t eat tons of crap foods thinking it’s gonna help you. Sure, some people believe that you need to ‘dirty bulk’ if your metabolism is really fast, but I think those instances are really few and far between. Some people just need to learn to eat for progress better.

-Remember that your goal, if we’re talking bodybuilding here and not simply sports performance, is to look good! If you’re getting so far away from that, you need to reassess your approach.

Some one posted on another thread his plan to gain .5 lbs per week. Now obviously scale fluctuations can be all over the place. What I do with my clients, as well as myself, is chart daily weights, and take note of the lowest #s each week. All the higher readings may simply be water, glycogen, fiber… so go by the lowest.

If indeed you’re packing on .5 - 1 lb a week, that’s plenty! Sure it may not be 100% muscle, but you won’t be able to tell until a few months have passed. At that point… BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF! This is where many people do themselves the disservice of looking for anything to support the fact that they put on too much fat with their muscle gain.

S[/quote]

What a great post. Best of luck with the recovery Stu, I’m sure you’ll be back at it as fast as intelligently possible. Thanks for all you do here.

[quote]ESX wrote:
Hi Stu!

What would you do if you did notice your self getting a bit soft sooner into a gaining cycle than you’d like? Would you do a small cut for a few weeks or just try and limit any further fat gain? [/quote]

I wouldn’t suggest suddenly popping into reverse, especially if you have been making some quality gains along with the extra fat. A little ‘pumping’ of the brakes is probably the best approach.

Look at your total intake, especially on days you don’t train. Cut back there first, let a couple of weeks pass, then assess. If you’re still progressing overall, but also still packing on fat, then you can look at your totals on training days. Scale back cals slightly, and assess. Also keep in mind that some people can keep cals higher if they’re more carb sensitive and replace some of their daily carbs with fats or proteins.

I’ve had instances with clients where I don’t want to cut their cals, but they appear to be stalling, so I juggle the macros a bit and still get the weekly progress that we’re aiming for.

Whatever you do though, don’t jump the gun and lose what quality gains you have made just because you softened a bit. Be smart, be objective, and remember that no one gets huge and ripped overnight.

S

Can’t thank you enough for that post Stu, very helpful and informative, especially the part concerning tracking scale weight each day.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]ESX wrote:
Hi Stu!

What would you do if you did notice your self getting a bit soft sooner into a gaining cycle than you’d like? Would you do a small cut for a few weeks or just try and limit any further fat gain? [/quote]

I wouldn’t suggest suddenly popping into reverse, especially if you have been making some quality gains along with the extra fat. A little ‘pumping’ of the brakes is probably the best approach.

Look at your total intake, especially on days you don’t train. Cut back there first, let a couple of weeks pass, then assess. If you’re still progressing overall, but also still packing on fat, then you can look at your totals on training days. Scale back cals slightly, and assess. Also keep in mind that some people can keep cals higher if they’re more carb sensitive and replace some of their daily carbs with fats or proteins.

I’ve had instances with clients where I don’t want to cut their cals, but they appear to be stalling, so I juggle the macros a bit and still get the weekly progress that we’re aiming for.

Whatever you do though, don’t jump the gun and lose what quality gains you have made just because you softened a bit. Be smart, be objective, and remember that no one gets huge and ripped overnight.

S[/quote]

Cheers for the response Stu! Great info as usual.

Thats basically what i’m doing now. The last bulk (and it was a bulk) i did, i got pretty heavy, and had no choice but to cut. Im sure this did lose me some of the gains i’d made.

Thought this was kind of interesting, and I’m assuming anyone who has had surgery of some kind may have gotten similar instructions. I was instructed to abstain from my usually heavy daily dosing of supplements with anti-inflammatory properties the entire week leading up to the actual procedure.

As many of you guys know, I’ve been very reliant on Flameout fish oils, as well as a pretty heavy daily dosing of Cucumin to not only keep my joints feeling better, but also for the health benefits provided. I’m not sure if this sudden dropping of my staple supplements is what has caused the definite rise in pain I’ve experienced the last two days, or if it’s simply a combination of the injury worsening (which I thought was impossible at this point -lol) and the wearing off of my most recent cortisone shot.

The fish oils and curcumin made sense as I can see how altering the inflammation in an injured area prior to surgery can be an issue, but what was new to me, was the instructions to also avoid anything that contains Vitamin E. Not that I supplement with any, but I did find myself checking my other daily supps just to ensure no monkey wrenches get thrown in.

So,… tomorrow’s the day, and the advice from my brother entailed:
-You’re gonna be really out of it, so if you remember anything, make sure you get that script for your pain meds!
-They’re going to use a nerve-block, so when you come to after the procedure, you won’t be able to move much of anything if at all… don’t freak.
-It’s going to hurt just standing for periods of time. Your arm is a good amount of weight hanging from your shoulder (and I imagine my arm weighs more than most peoples -lol)
-Even if they don’t cut your bicep, you won’t be doing any direct bicep work for at least 8 weeks because it attached to the labrum.

Fun fun. Cat’s already talking about what she can get me to cheer me up, or even do some baking, which would be really cool (Cat’s not much of a cook, so the efforts mean a lot). I’m sure most of my weekend will involve sitting in the recliner we purchased so I can sleep upright, and whining and moaning during my conscious hours.

I’m anticipating things to be a bit rough when I return to work, in so much as avoiding getting knocked into while moving through the halls of an overcrowded NYC high school. Also, I’ve tried doing certain daily activities with one arm to see how easy they would be. Buttoning your pants and doing your belt with one arm? Not an easy task at all.

S

I could be wrong but I believe a lot of the antinflammatories and oils are blood thinners also, which is more the real reason they ease pain. You really don’t want thin blood when your being cut open.

I had to do the same thing. Not take any ibproffin that I was overdosing on. You’ll need help dressing, esp putting a shirt on. I didn’t wear a shirt for the first few days after because it is such a task. Leaning over so your arm can hang, using your one good arm to pull it down over your bum arm, down your torso, get it all square, and putting the sling back on. I’ve had both shoulders done, and it sucks each time.

Depending on the type of sling you get, it can be very hard to get around. I’ve had a normal sling you see for simple shoulder injuries, and then also what they call a Super Sling. Be carefuly going through the halls. My dog ran into my arm 3 weeks out and dropped me to the floor due to the blinding pain.

And as soon as you get home, start the pain meds. Playing catch-up after the block wears off is next to impossible. The more you have in you to start with the better. Plus you sleep most of the first few days which helps too.

Good luck Stu!


A little zonked from the anesthesia, but figured I’d share a pic or two that Cat snapped in the Hospital this morning. For the record I’m typing with one hand,… not as easy as I woulda thought -lol.

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Walking to the bathroom while wheeling this IV drip stand really made me feel like an old man.

S

No sleeveless gowns!? Blasphemy!

Hope the recovery is quick and as painless as possible, Stu. You are a warrior, so it will not be long before you are better than before.

Guns lookin big! Good to get this op over with and let the road to recovery begin. Good luck man.

As I can’t open anything requiring two hands Cat filled a tupperware with any pills I might need during the day. Thought it made a funny pic.

Got my Percocets, Fish Oils, Curcumin and Minerals all readily acceptable. Spending the day in a chair icing my shoulder, answering emails and phone calls, and catching up on bad movies with the Mrs. Not a bad day really except for the painful sensation slowly returning to my shoulder.

S

Make sure not to mix up your Minerals with Percocet… Although you will get a damn good nights sleep