Mighty's Contest Updates & Q&A Thread

I do have to compete in the Worlds, but there are also requirements to ‘pre-qualify’ for it with another show unless you’ve placed top 5 in it the previous year, similar to the IFBB’s Olympia qualification system). As i MUST compete in a Pro show within 12 months of achieving said status, I have until June 25th 2012 to do my 1st show, essentially as a pre-qualifier for the following Worlds.

This gives me until Dec 2011 to make any progress I’m going to make. After I get back to NY from CO, I have plans to seriously buckle the hell down, and attack my chest, and legs as hard as I can. Also, I’m going to see about thickening my UPPER lats a bit, I’m not too happy with all of the pics from the Hercules, and know I can address it.

Gonna go grab some food now, it’s about 6:30am CO time, and I need some food in me before the ridiculous thrashing Christian’s got in store at the Training lab in a few hours :slight_smile:

S

Hi Stu

I see, I didn’t realize that you still have to qualify. Being an amateur, placing high in a national contest is enough to qualify for the worlds. The national organizations more or less decide on their own who they want to end to the worlds.

As for your training: do you plan to adapt your routine given what you have done and “learned” in CO? Or will that just have been an interesting event, but you’ll go back to your style of training?

Very much looking forward to your (and Cat’s, hopfully) next contest prep thread.

Cheers, PA

Well, it’s not that I actually have to ‘qualify’, I’m already allowed in as a WNBF Pro, but they require you do compete at least once in the year previous to the show, so I’m sort of looking at it that way.

The one interesting concept that Thibs is really driving home is how to implement ‘active rest’ to complete more work without creating excessive fatigue and actually improving not just the growth stimulus, but the recovery as well. I may implement the idea of doing a bit of active rest sets for specific bodyparts the day after I directly train them and see how it plays into recovery as well as having any effect on hypertrophy. Definitely curious myself to see how it would play out on an extended duration.

Hopefully Cat will be interested in keeping an actual Thread of her own next time. I’m sure a lot of folks (women especially) would be interested in following along.

S

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Well, it’s not that I actually have to ‘qualify’, I’m already allowed in as a WNBF Pro, but they require you do compete at least once in the year previous to the show, so I’m sort of looking at it that way.

The one interesting concept that Thibs is really driving home is how to implement ‘active rest’ to complete more work without creating excessive fatigue and actually improving not just the growth stimulus, but the recovery as well. I may implement the idea of doing a bit of active rest sets for specific bodyparts the day after I directly train them and see how it plays into recovery as well as having any effect on hypertrophy. Definitely curious myself to see how it would play out on an extended duration.

Hopefully Cat will be interested in keeping an actual Thread of her own next time. I’m sure a lot of folks (women especially) would be interested in following along.

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I’m really interested in the “Active Rest” techniques, but also a bit confused as to where they would best fit into the routine. I have some areas that I would like to bring up (besides my whole body) but don’t how to schedule those “sets” in during the rest of the training week. I understand their impact is low and the weights are light, but still one does want to maximize every training technique they implement. Wouldnt mind having some extra size on my shoulders and triceps, thats for sure.

Also, in regards to a solo Cat thread, I would love to have a place to send females who are afraid of looking masculine or getting too muscular in regards to weight training. I could send them to her thread and just let them know “here is a hard training female, that uses weights, and in no way does she resemble a man - Now get to work!”

Definitely enjoying playing around with the whole active recovery concept here in CO. Christian’s got me coaching a 2nd group of guys in “my” method of working, but I’m trying to implement the A.R. concepts in some degree. Hopefully the spills and videos are entertaining to people watching along.

S

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Definitely enjoying playing around with the whole active recovery concept here in CO. Christian’s got me coaching a 2nd group of guys in “my” method of working, but I’m trying to implement the A.R. concepts in some degree. Hopefully the spills and videos are entertaining to people watching along.

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You have no idea man. Loving following along here… Although it would be sweet to actually be out there downing boxes of FINIBARs and gallons of Surge.

Stu, are you not participating with the other guys (Syn, Ashy, etc)? I saw you lurking on a laptop in one of the vids, and I though, ooooh, I know that guy (from the internet)! LOL.

Got home a few hours ago, and then stepped out to dinner and a movie with Cat to unwind for a bit. I’ll try to get to any questions people have, whether in regard to the week in Colorado at Biotest HQ, or in terms of my plans for offseason improvements and future competitions, or even just plain old training and nutrition stuff (which I’m usually answering in PMs each week anyway).

Crashing out now, just run down from the amazing week I’ve just had :slight_smile:

S

I think we’d all just like to hear a general write up of the experience, and maybe some of the “tips and tricks” you walked away with.

Have some popcorn at the movie. Personally i cant see a movie in a theatre without popcorn. In fact i saw a movie today and just couldnt turn down the damn popcorn. Its the only time i cant say no. Good thing i am gaining right… lol. First “cheat” in 2 weeks. SOrry for the hijack. I did want to thank you for the advice on back. I have limited equipment in my basement (where i workout) so i will work on extra pre fatiguing before bb rows. Back day tomorrow. I know i would love a general write up. Had to be great getting the green light from CT to train a group. Thats awesome.

Hey guys. sorry I haven’t had a moment to give some sort of review on the week in CO, I’ve been jumping around a lot between Queens and L.I., and just trying to get a lot done, and didn’t really want to gloss over any important stuff with a quick write up.

Yes, that was probably the coolest part of the week for me. I really respect Christian, and to have him hand me the reins for a bit, and then watch what I’m doing and complement my approach, well, it certainly meant a lot. Even having someone with as much experience as HipScar thank me for the session I designed on the last day out there, means more than I think a lot of people would expect.

The key feature that seems to be prominently stressed is that of active rest, or active recovery. Initially, I found myself wondering if this would somehow inhibit maximal intensity generated during sets for the ‘main’ muscle being worked during a particular session, but by choosing muscle groups that wouldn’t negatively affect the work being done, it never seemed much of an issue.

Also, I believe the approach of working a movement pattern (ie. posterior chain, or horizontal pressing etc) vs just targeting a specific muscle the way most bodybuilders do, probably prevented a lot of possible inhibiting of performance (this is just me theorizing, don’t think I’m quoting Thibs here).

Initially, what I found myself considering was the old (very old) concept of ‘feeder workouts’. This is something that probably went out of fashion back in the 1950’s. The idea was to train chest on a Monday for example, and then on Tuesday, in addition to your regular training session, do a small chest workout as well.

I don’t know if this was a productive method of inciting more muscle growth, as the potential for excessive muscle damage could certainly be an issue, BUT the approach I took away, as well as the way I structured the sessions I designed, was to focus on the Recovery aspect. Essentially creating an environment where more nutrients would be uptaken by the muscles trained the day before without creating so much additional trauma that you would create a negative situation (whole lotta eccentricless work!)

Obviously you could also use Thibs approach of doing ‘more work’ a la staggered sets the way you see some guys throwing in sets of abs or calves (typically weak points) between regular sets during their workouts.

Running out to hit legs now (so I can meet up with my girl and her sister for Sushi later, ready the Indigo!), but I’ll try to add a bit more, and certainly answer any questions anyone has :slight_smile:

S

Great post. Very detailled and informative, as always.
As for the feeder workouts: those were very popular over here inthe late 80’ and early 90’.
A fellow competitor, my first real mentor actually, used to train a bodypart hard one day 1, then did kind of a deload workout - which he called feeder workout - the next day. He used tge same exercises as on day 1, the same number of sets and reps, but only 50% of the weights. On day 3 he did a third workout for that bodypart, with 80% of day one’s weights and 50% of the sets. Day 4 was rest day for that bodypart and on day 5 he started over again.

This guy was the strongest natural bidybuilder I haver ever known, doing weighted dips with up to 168kg additional weight and dumbbell flyes with 100 pounders - man, I remember those.

Enjoy the sushi! My favourite food…

Cheers, PA

That’s awesome you got to train there. I remember CT talking about putting forearms between sets of chest for Kevin last year and I wanted to bring mine up so I tried it, but it unfortunately negatively affected my pressing strength so I had to take it out and just put forearms at the end. Who knows though, maybe if I kept it in for a few more weeks I would have adapted to it. Did you guys notice any initial decrease in strength of the main movements?

That’s the real acid test with throwing in ‘bonus work’ (to quote CT). If it’s somehow inhibiting maximum effort on the lifts that are your main focus for the training session, you have to step back and reevaluate if your current approach is worthwhile. I didn’t experience any strength drops, at least none that I really noticed. I will note that with the plates being marked in KGs, and in keeping with Doc Hall and ‘Gummy’, I do believe that I held back a bit so that we wouldn’t all be waiting as I kept piling on more weight with each set. Still, I went out of my way when I planned out our sessions to make use of muscle groups that would not only not negatively affect the main work being done, but to focus on an eccentricless approach that would aid recovery, while not adding to cumulative fatigue.

S

Since I’m going to be continuing this thread through my offseason before jumping into the WNBF Pro ranks, I figured I’d comment on how I’m currently looking. I’m maintaining my 3x daily dosing of the Indigo, and trying my best to keep the carb heavy meals spaced out as well as I can. Always breakfast, and always pre-workout, but the 3rd carb heavy feeding varies depending on my schedule (remember, I’m off from work in the summer months, so I’m not as rigid in my day to day feeding times).

What I’ve noticed more than anything, and this is aside from my usual post-contest rebound, is that I’m still very vascular. On days I train arms I wouldn’t really take any notice, but today I hit legs, and as with every other leg session the last couple of weeks, it’s been just as pronounced. Normally, my upper body actually appears smaller, and less vascular on leg days (why I never wear a sleeveless shirt on leg day, it just messes with my head!) I still have no idea what my weight is, and I’m not going to worry about it until the start of Sept. What I do know, is that while I am quite a bit heavier than my contest weight (obviously!) I can still see striations in my delts,and still see my rectus femoris in my quads. If I can maintain these degrees of leanness through the next several months, I’ll certainly feel that I’m steps ahead of where I’ve ever been as a competitor before.

Time will tell.

S

Are you keeping yourself sane with a Pop Tart every now and then? I hope you’re putting that Pop Tart protecter to good use! Lol

Sounds like hard training and Indigo are doing wonders for your off-season. Keep killing it, Stu!

Hows that low back Stu? Better now that you aren’t doing all the cardio and have some padding back there?

I’m being very careful with the lower back and my left elbow these days. On the days I feel good, I still push things a bit (lotta heavy pressing for tris, standing presses for delts, and even rack deads lately when I feel really good), but other days things may just seem a bit ‘off’ so I hold back and do more isolation type movements for a couple of days. I guess that’s the advantage I have after training for so many years, I have a pretty large assortment of options at my disposal when it comes to exercise selection and training methods. In trying to bring up a few areas I’m specifically trying to focus on, I’m banking on this ‘surgical’ approach to fill in a few gaps.

@ASHY: Hey, that was a brilliant invention! I already had a Wonder Bread case (white with the logo and colored dots on it similar to the packaging) which I use to protect my Almond Buttered Ezekial Bread in my cooler at work. People laugh, but you can only go so long eating squashed bread every day-lol

S

I saw that you mentioned you’re still going to school in synergys thread i think…? if you dont mind me asking what are you in school for?

Stu at 8:53!lol