Mighty's Contest Updates & Q&A Thread

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
Stu,

When you get a chance, could you possibly elaborate more on your thoughts on Receptormax? I’ve read people on here commenting that they got leaner practically daily. That seems far fetched. Specifically, for fat loss, do you think this is something that could be utilized starting from any bf%, or perhaps really only worth the $ when one is already reasonably lean, say abs showing, while not necessarily razor sharp? When reading the launch article, the description of what it’s supposed to do sounds great. It seems like they’re basically saying it will amplify the effects of your diet, whether it be geared towards fat loss or muscle gain. I am taking a fat burner with caffeine, green tea extract, yohimbe, etc, but if this stuff will help me shed fat faster, or ensure that I hold onto more LBM while I’m shedding, I’ll drop the $, but if you dontthink it’s definitely something that provides noticeable effects, I’d rather save the money. FWIW, I’d estimate 15-16%bf.

Thanks a lot. [/quote]

I started using Receptormax this past Fall (2010). I figured if I was going to compete in the Spring of 2011, that I had a good 4-5 months to add some quality size, recomp a bit, and hopefully deal with the bit of atrophy I had experienced due to an injury last Spring/Summer. Sure my diet was pretty ‘good’ as far as food choices, and eating cadence, but to be honest, when I’m not dieting, even though I get my ‘good stuff’ in every 2-3 hours, I have as much ‘bad stuff’ as I want so long as my protein needs are met, and I get some quality carbs at each feeding (and of course I adhere to my Flameouts and Curcumin religiously).

My goal though, wasn’t ever in terms of hitting specific numbers on the scale, I think that’s a huge mistake for anyone to make in terms of body comp goals. I wanted to visibly see myself getting bigger, thicker, and yet still have a degree of leanness where I wouldn’t have problems jumping into a contest diet. My goal, as I listed in my older threads, was to stay under 200 lbs, as opposed to the 208 lb starting point of my 2010 prep. Although I meant this, I never really concerned myself with what I was weighing while using the Receptormax.

Sure I would hop on the scale every couple of weeks, but I never altered my offseason diet approach, never added any cardio, never even took ‘control’ days where I intentionally ate less. As January 2011 neared, people in the gym commented on how lean I was for ‘offseason’, and how I looked much thicker than last year. This seemed odd as I was pretty focused on my atrophied left tricep, and still concerned that due to my back acting up, that I had not sufficiently improved my quads enough.

When I finally started weighing myself with regularity, considering whether I would compete in April, May, or June (if at all), I couldn’t believe that I was under 200 lbs. I actually had some cuts in my legs, which I never have offseason (my legs are naturally pretty thick skinned). Now keep in mind that I’m 38 years old here,… this is supposed to get more difficult with each year, and your body isn’t supposed to make such drastic shifts in composition withing a few months, ESPECIALLY when you’re not doing anything that would really elicit such a response! So do I think the Receptormax helped? Oh hell yeah, I’ve been taking it ever since.

I can’t say with 100% certainly that everyone will get such results, but with my own very very consistent and balls out training, and I’d say 85/90% ‘good’ diet, I was able to really make a positive change. Definitely worth the money in my opinion, but not at the expense of the basics of course (Metabolic Drive, Flameout etc). Also, while I don’t think bf% will factor in to the results you achieve, a lower bf starting out will certainly allow for more visually noticeable results.

S

Awesome stuff stu! Triceps are looking crisp and thick! And of course playing megadeth made it more epic :slight_smile: Hope your 2 shows go amazing!

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Hey Paul,

It’s not that I need to ADD fats per say, but I like to deplete my carbohydrates (glycogen stores) during the last week so that I can ‘LOAD’ up and hopefully gain some additional fullness to my muscles on contest day. This entails not just avoiding new carbohydrate intake in my daily diet, but limiting how much protein I ingest as well. People who have played around with various Ketogenic diets (straight keto, CKDs, whatever) are familiar with the fact that the human body can take protein and essentially create glucose from it. So as the point of a carb depletion is to have your body’s stores as low as possible, you must ensure that this protein to carb process does not happen. This leaves your food choices for the day having to not only address the need of limiting carbs, but also not having your protein intake be so high that it prevents a proper depletion. The way I go about this is to pretty much opt for fattier food choices, as they usually have lower protein (and carb) contents.

S[/quote]
Stu,
Thanks for the info. It was my normal routine on Monday-Thurs to deplete, but I always upped my protein to try to keep calories in check. So much to learn. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
Paul

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]v996 wrote:
Stu,
Would you care to discuss the theory in adding fat for the last week before you carb load? I assume it’s Mon-Thurs.
Thanks
Paul[/quote]

Hey Paul,

It’s not that I need to ADD fats per say, but I like to deplete my carbohydrates (glycogen stores) during the last week so that I can ‘LOAD’ up and hopefully gain some additional fullness to my muscles on contest day. This entails not just avoiding new carbohydrate intake in my daily diet, but limiting how much protein I ingest as well. People who have played around with various Ketogenic diets (straight keto, CKDs, whatever) are familiar with the fact that the human body can take protein and essentially create glucose from it. So as the point of a carb depletion is to have your body’s stores as low as possible, you must ensure that this protein to carb process does not happen. This leaves your food choices for the day having to not only address the need of limiting carbs, but also not having your protein intake be so high that it prevents a proper depletion. The way I go about this is to pretty much opt for fattier food choices, as they usually have lower protein (and carb) contents.

S[/quote]

do you avoid veggies during this time? im guessing you would on weds/thurs to avoid the bloat but what about in the beginning of the week?

Stu,

thanks for your reply on the Receptormax, im pretty interested in it, and that helps a lot. still not sure yet if i am going to purchase- mainly $ at this point, im getting married in less than a month, so im keeping a close eye on finances. but, if (more likely “when”) i purchase, it will be because of my own curiosity and your comments. you should work with T-Nation and start getting some kick-backs here man!

thanks,
matt

Stu, thanks for answering all these Q’s - This was one from the previous page that I think got skipped. Whenever you get the time:

Wow Stu, looking really damn lean right there, and thats just a crappy cell phone pic. Your contest is a week away?

Also, now that you have done this a few times, perhaps you could comment on the experience of successive diets.

Do they get easier each time mentally? Do you find that your body allows you to get leaner and leaner with each attempt, or do you just know how your body works better to achieve a new level each time out? Does your body kind of kick into any sort of a “Well, I guess its time to shed the fat again” mode and drop fat faster? Or just any interesting insights in general now that you have done it several times.

Also, do you like the rigidity of the short bulk/cut phases as opposed to a longer “off season.” It seems like it definitely would keep me on track knowing that a diet was only a short while away and you dont want to spend any extra time working off that short stack of pancakes if you dont have to.

I’m really toying with the idea of dieting every year from here on out and would love to hear your thoughts on your experience with it.

Stu, I like your threads my man! I gotta say that i am NOWHERE near even thinking about being where I wanna be, but nonetheless, I’ve realized that with me, I can approach offseason/bulking in one of 2 ways… - 1) Make sure to eat at least X amount of protein, carbs and fat. Anything extra is whatever. 2) Eat at most X amount, and stay ‘lean’. Well, look at my avatar and you’ll see that I pussed out and took number 2. Just saying, you’re looking great, and I wish I would have spent more time getting bigger/stronger rather than following path #2. Just sayin. But I’ll be back on said path soon!

Stu- Just wanted to say that I read this thread everyday and appreciate that you take time out of your schedule to share your experience. (Same with synergy, paragon, and many others).

So during your offseason you just make sure to hit your protein and the amount of quality carbs and quality fats and then not worry about the rest? So do you not count calories at all in the offseason or how do you tackle it? Again appreciate the time and thanks for the insight.

Question, with the leaning out, did you (or do you) have any issues with mid-to-late-day drowsiness? I’ve only done one show, and when I was leaning out for it, I noticed that I’d get drowsy towards 3 in the afternoon.

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
do you avoid veggies during this time? im guessing you would on weds/thurs to avoid the bloat but what about in the beginning of the week?[/quote]

Exactly. I pretty much cut them out the Thursday before a Saturday show, figuring that’ll give me 48 hours to ‘empty out’ so to speak.

S

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
Stu,

thanks for your reply on the Receptormax, im pretty interested in it, and that helps a lot. still not sure yet if i am going to purchase- mainly $ at this point, im getting married in less than a month, so im keeping a close eye on finances. but, if (more likely “when”) i purchase, it will be because of my own curiosity and your comments. you should work with T-Nation and start getting some kick-backs here man!

thanks,
matt[/quote]

Lol, well Tim did fly me out to Colorado back in '09 to train with Thibs for the IBB program, and I guess I was one of the first Lab ‘Wabbits’ (as Shugart puts it) to try the original Anaconda Protocol, so I’m certainly not complaining :slight_smile: I’ve been on here and using their products for about 10 years now, and obviously it’s been noticed and acknowledged (How many people can say Tim Patterson actually called them up to see how they were doing during a one of their contest preps?! -lol)

Still, the bottom line for me will always be if something actually works for me or not. When Tim first called me, I felt almost guilty in that I had only really used their basic line of supplements due to finances, and the fact that bodybuilding was really just a hobby to me at the time (obviously I’ve since taken a much more serious approach to competing). If my own experiences can help anyone else make decisions for their own training or supplement decisions, great.

S

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Stu, thanks for answering all these Q’s - This was one from the previous page that I think got skipped. Whenever you get the time:

Wow Stu, looking really damn lean right there, and thats just a crappy cell phone pic. Your contest is a week away?

Also, now that you have done this a few times, perhaps you could comment on the experience of successive diets.

Do they get easier each time mentally? Do you find that your body allows you to get leaner and leaner with each attempt, or do you just know how your body works better to achieve a new level each time out? Does your body kind of kick into any sort of a “Well, I guess its time to shed the fat again” mode and drop fat faster? Or just any interesting insights in general now that you have done it several times.

Also, do you like the rigidity of the short bulk/cut phases as opposed to a longer “off season.” It seems like it definitely would keep me on track knowing that a diet was only a short while away and you dont want to spend any extra time working off that short stack of pancakes if you dont have to.

I’m really toying with the idea of dieting every year from here on out and would love to hear your thoughts on your experience with it. [/quote]

It is interesting, in that some people might expect each successive diet to get easier, while I imagine some might expect it to be more difficult (age, life commitments etc). I don’t know if I could say with one definitive yes/no answer whether it is easier or not, because there is always a degree of fluctuations in terms of how I’m doing mentally, as well as physically.

With my first prep, I felt very much like I was,… I don’t want to say operating in the dark, but it was really a test so to speak of how much I really knew. I was already the ‘guy’ that others in the gym always came to with training and nutrition questions, but this was really going to either prove I really knew my shit, or that I was full of it (luckily, I knew my shit! -lol).

Of course nothing can really prepare you for the ‘downs’ during a contest prep. Going to bed with your stomach growling, coming home late from work on a low carb day and being the only person in the gym because you need to get your cardio done before bed… seriously, it’s mentally fatiguing, and there were moments where I felt like I just wanted to crawl up into a ball and cry.

Other times though, it was an amazingly empowering experience where just realizing that you were pushing your body to the limit, enduring something that 99.9% of other people not only wouldn’t, but couldn’t do, is all the motivation you need to push on even harder than before.

Everything I’ve read, every competitor I’ve spoken with, or worked with, and everything I’ve personally experienced point to the fact that the body will be able to achieve better conditioning each successive prep. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the prep will be easier mind you, as age will have some day in metabolic changes.

Some days during this prep, I feel like shouting “here we go again, let’s do this!”, and other days, I feel like Murtaugh in the Lethal Weapon Movies (“I’m getting too old for this shit”). Even though I have very detailed notes, journals, and even summarizing spreadsheets of each previous prep, they can only provide a guideline for this one.

No aspect has been 100% the same as last year, and as with any prep, there’s a great deal of on-the-fly decision making (you never know what your body will do with certainty from one week to the next). Sometimes it seems like my body wants to do this again, while other times, I get the very distinct impression that it’s not very happy with me at all.

I can’t even say really if I have dropped fat faster this time, because it’s not like I’ve gotten accurate bf% testing done each week. I do know that I started this year’s prep lighter, and definitely tighter (whether due to LBM, less bf, or both), and that the general consensus seems to be that I’m carrying more muscle. If I am though, it still doesn’t mean that I can coast on being thicker at the expense of conditioning, which as I’ve mentioned, is going to be a very big deciding factor for the shows I’m competing in (This Federation is very well known for the levels of conditioning of it’s athletes). I would imagine though that for someone younger than I, say mid 20’s as opposed to late 30’s, the ease of successive contest preps would be readily apparent.

As far as short bulks go, once you’ve competed, and dieted down for the first time, you realize that a lot of your ‘bulk’ was really unnecessary. This is why so many competitors will stay within 15-20 lbs of their contest weight. That’s not to say that it’s the only way, as I know a lot of competitors who get much heavier (usually no more than 25-30 lbs though), but they give themselves adequate time to come back down slowly, as to retain more LBM in the process.

It’s the trainers who add unnecessary weight in the delusion of ‘adding size’ that make their next prep more difficult, and in the process, will lose a noticeable amount of any gained muscle. While I won’t use the term ‘bulk’, I will say that adding weight, in a more recomp approach after a contest, is probably your smartest bet for making continual improvements.

The added weight will allow you do push heavier in the gym, as well as let you know that you are getting enough calories each day. Still, it is important to remember that no matter how much you eat, you’re not going to add more than a lb or two of new muscle each month. To quote Yates, “You can’t force feed growth”.

S

[quote]hlss09 wrote:
Stu, I like your threads my man! I gotta say that i am NOWHERE near even thinking about being where I wanna be, but nonetheless, I’ve realized that with me, I can approach offseason/bulking in one of 2 ways… - 1) Make sure to eat at least X amount of protein, carbs and fat. Anything extra is whatever. 2) Eat at most X amount, and stay ‘lean’. Well, look at my avatar and you’ll see that I pussed out and took number 2. Just saying, you’re looking great, and I wish I would have spent more time getting bigger/stronger rather than following path #2. Just sayin. But I’ll be back on said path soon!
[/quote]

It’s a learning process. It’s not like I used my current approach 5 years ago and made brilliant gains,… I had to come to this point by making mistakes, and realizing what was working and what wasn’t. There was no internet when I started training, and most of the magazines gave the most BS, wrong info you could imagine. Make use of T-Nation.

Honestly, I was on a ton of sites when I first started going online (around 2001 or so), but this is the one with articles by people who truly know what the hell they’re talking about. If it weren’t for this site, and the articles by guys like Poliquin, Berardi, King, and later Thibs especially, my foundation of knowledge wouldn’t be what it is (I actually have copies of the original Testosterone PAPER Magazine! Great stuff, I actually reread them a lot!)

S

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Stu- Just wanted to say that I read this thread everyday and appreciate that you take time out of your schedule to share your experience. (Same with synergy, paragon, and many others).

So during your offseason you just make sure to hit your protein and the amount of quality carbs and quality fats and then not worry about the rest? So do you not count calories at all in the offseason or how do you tackle it? Again appreciate the time and thanks for the insight.
[/quote]

I usually start off keeping track of my numbers, just to set a baseline diet, but obviously I can’t adhere to it 100% when my girlfriend and I go away for a vacation, or I go to my brother’s for a BBQ etc. After you’ve done this for a while, you can sort of mentally keep tabs on what you’re eating. If you ensure that each feeding contains enough ‘good’ nutrients (carbs and protein), and further ensure that you’re eating every 2-3 hours, then your only other concern is to make sure you’re not porking up too much from all the ‘extra’ cals you add on top of that.

(I do still carry food with me in the off season, but don’t always eat it if a better choice presents itself)

S

[quote]enrac wrote:
Question, with the leaning out, did you (or do you) have any issues with mid-to-late-day drowsiness? I’ve only done one show, and when I was leaning out for it, I noticed that I’d get drowsy towards 3 in the afternoon.[/quote]

I figure that could be either just from daily exertions (work, etc), or how you’re planning out your nutrients. During preps, I get up at 4:30 am to get everything done (cardio, food prep, dog walk etc), so by 3pm, I’m a little run down myself. As I train around 5pm, I make sure I get a good hit of carbs before then so my session is going to be as productive as I can make it.

Aside from that point though, my only other carb feedings are much earlier in the day, so I’m sure it’s a combination of the two. Some people will spread their carbs out more throughout the day, while others (like myself) feel the benefit of a targeted approach will allow for better muscle retention, as well as more time each day where your body is running off of fat. Either methods could work for different individuals, if you’ve been utilizing one, perhaps the other would prevent such a crash.

Of course you need to weigh out if better results are worth being a little drowsy in the afternoon :slight_smile:

S

Stu,

I asked Synergy the same question a few days ago. I’ve been using Receptormax for the last few months with great results. The only issue I’ve had is that I have an INCREDIBLY strong Cinnamon body odor. The wife loves Cinnamon and is starting to chew on me in her sleep! People at work have even asked me why I smell like a bakery. Have you experienced anything like this?

Stu,

I ended up ordering a bottle of Receptormax. I figured with Biotest being fairly quick with their shipping, I could get 10 days or so into the bottle and decide if I’d noticed any changes either in the mirror or in just how I felt, then either order another bottle or not. Also, I’m very excited to see how the indigo-3G works for you. My hopes are that it allows you to soak up carbs at a ridiculous rate when you carb back up before you hit the stage, and that you’re the nastiest looking dude there.

Thanks, and good luck with it!

[quote]hockey_guy wrote:
Stu,

I asked Synergy the same question a few days ago. I’ve been using Receptormax for the last few months with great results. The only issue I’ve had is that I have an INCREDIBLY strong Cinnamon body odor. The wife loves Cinnamon and is starting to chew on me in her sleep! People at work have even asked me why I smell like a bakery. Have you experienced anything like this? [/quote]

you may want to PM Mod Brian… he knows all the ins-and-outs of the Biotest stuff

are you eating other sources of cinnamon? spices have a tendency to excreted through sweat…

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Stu- Just wanted to say that I read this thread everyday and appreciate that you take time out of your schedule to share your experience. (Same with synergy, paragon, and many others).

So during your offseason you just make sure to hit your protein and the amount of quality carbs and quality fats and then not worry about the rest? So do you not count calories at all in the offseason or how do you tackle it? Again appreciate the time and thanks for the insight.
[/quote]

I usually start off keeping track of my numbers, just to set a baseline diet, but obviously I can’t adhere to it 100% when my girlfriend and I go away for a vacation, or I go to my brother’s for a BBQ etc. After you’ve done this for a while, you can sort of mentally keep tabs on what you’re eating. If you ensure that each feeding contains enough ‘good’ nutrients (carbs and protein), and further ensure that you’re eating every 2-3 hours, then your only other concern is to make sure you’re not porking up too much from all the ‘extra’ cals you add on top of that.

(I do still carry food with me in the off season, but don’t always eat it if a better choice presents itself)

S[/quote]

Thanks stu. So for the most part just make sure you get your good protein fats and carbs and then fill the rest in with food. Make sure you are eating enough to not get to sloppy. I track everyday and am trying to get away from it but I am just addicted to it. Just having the mental break from counting everyday would be nice. I just dont trust myself. Thank you for the insight.

Stu, in your talking with Natty competitors and your own experience, would you say that generally green veggies are indeed “free”, or does one still have to be conscious of the calories they contain?

I’m at about a bag a day right now (80 calories) and as my other food amounts dip down it sure would be nice to up that to 2 bags over the next 4-6 weeks. Its just a mix of Broccoli and Cauliflower, and occasionally I just have some lettuce mix with a few sprays of Salad Spritzer on it.