Miers Withdraws

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]vroom wrote:
This is absolutely ridiculous.

You are using the fact that Harriet Meirs’ withdrawal from being nominated to the USSC as some sort of proof that Rove did something wrong?

Rainjack, is it an absolute requirement that you be an asshole every day?

If you weren’t such a right wing cheerleader you’d see that what I had said was pretty obviously raw speculation meant to tweak morons like yourself.[/quote]

You always say that after someone calls you on making a moronic statement - “I was just trying to tweak you”.

I’m not buying it. You have said many things recently that dovetail with this last statement. Too bad that everyone thinks your idiotic outbursts are true. It must really suck when you have to keep following behind your own drivel abd qualifying it with, “I was just joking, you idiot.” Once or twice and I could see it being my fault. But this is a constant thing with you.

You can excuse it away all you want - but I really think that you are that simple minded as to believe that Rove is guilty becuse Miers withdrew. You are saying this here and then elling me that speculation should be counted as newsworthy on another thread.

Seriously - quit sitting under that tree until the nuts stop falling off. They are hurting you.

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Boohoo. Rainjack is upset that the house of cards appears to be falling down.

I believe that the White House, and key staff within it, are distracted by the events going on.

Beyond that, I think it is possible that a guilty person would have a lot more stress over current events than an innocent one. Nobody would argue with that.

However, your assertion that I am definitely claiming Rove must be guilty because Miers has stepped down is incorrect.

The Miers debacle could point to some problems arising due to the level of distraction or stress occuring within the White House lately. I don’t know. It is possible.

Jump up and down and complain about how things are going these days or continue to twist my words into something that I did not say because it is easier to argue against, that is up to you.

The whole Miers situation has been a big fat fuckup. It’s a joke. It makes the administration, its supporters, the radical right, and various other republican groups, look absolutely divided, unorganized and clueless.

Perhaps the fact these issues piss you off so much are what make you strike out at me so vehemently? Are you suffering from a little cognitive dissonance these days?

Hahahahaha! Get used to it!

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Boohoo. Rainjack is upset that the house of cards appears to be falling down.[/quote]

What does that even mean? House of cards? You mean the control of both houses of congress? Perhaps Bush’s second term? I am praying that the great thinktard can enlighten me of this house made of cards.

[quote]I believe that the White House, and key staff within it, are distracted by the events going on.

Beyond that, I think it is possible that a guilty person would have a lot more stress over current events than an innocent one. Nobody would argue with that.[/quote]

So which is it, Ace? Were you just trying to push buttons, or are you defending a completely stupid remark? Based on your return visit with supporting ‘logic’ - I am thinking it is the latter.

If I said that - then I am wrong - I believe the words you used were “indictable act”. Tomato/tomahto

[quote]The Miers debacle could point to some problems arising due to the level of distraction or stress occuring within the White House lately. I don’t know. It is possible.

Jump up and down and complain about how things are going these days or continue to twist my words into something that I did not say because it is easier to argue against, that is up to you.[/quote]

I’m not saying anything you haven’t said - besides you wrere just trying to rev up the morons, right?

No - it is not a fuck up, nor a joke. Oh, you and the ABB-left would love for it to be so, but that’s just not the case. I have many friends that were split 50/50 on the Miers nomination - but we were never divided as far as being behinfd Bush.

I think that is just an image that the MSM is desperately trying to convey. I could give a shit. And so could most republicans. The right will still be in control next November

[quote]Perhaps the fact these issues piss you off so much are what make you strike out at me so vehemently? Are you suffering from a little cognitive dissonance these days?
[/quote]

Nope - I’m just growing tired of you lame-assed unsupported accusations. Tying Harriet Miers to Rove and then trying to pass it off as just pushing buttons, and then trying to support such a utterly stupid line of thinking is just too much for me to pass up. You served up the hanging curveball - don’t get all defensive when someone knocks it out of the park.

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Bush cleans up his mess and some of the liberals find something to bitch about. Amazing.

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OMG, what if it is both? Auuuuugh! How can that be?

It’s a zinger with a basis in a small amount of difficult to argue logic, but I’m not making the claim you’d like to pretend I made.

And yes, the withdrawal is a complete cluster fuck to anyone who doesn’t have a framed picture of the POTUS hanging on their wall in adoration.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Bush cleans up his mess and some of the liberals find something to bitch about. Amazing.[/quote]

Why do you sound so suprised?

They bitched when he didn’t haul ass down to NOLA, then bitched when he announced plans to get to Houston before the hurricane hit Texas.

Bitching and moaning is what the left does.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
And yes, the withdrawal is a complete cluster fuck to anyone who doesn’t have a framed picture of the POTUS hanging on their wall in adoration.[/quote]

I don’t own a photo of anyone other than my family.

Please explain the clusterfuck. I don’t see one. I see a rough patch. I see a rabid press. I see the conservative base standing up and being heard by the party.

But where is the clusterfuck? Just because you hang a label on it does not make it so.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bush cleans up his mess and some of the liberals find something to bitch about. Amazing.

Why do you sound so suprised?

They bitched when he didn’t haul ass down to NOLA, then bitched when he announced plans to get to Houston before the hurricane hit Texas.

Bitching and moaning is what the left does. [/quote]

The Left shrieked when Bush nominated Miers with the cry of ‘cronyism’!

When Miers withdrew her nomination, the Left shrieked with the cry that she is bowing to the ‘rabid right wing’! (see the People for the American Way leader’s comments)

So, the Left was mad that she arrived and now they are mad that she is leaving.

Watching this descent into political schizophrenia is a sad tragedy in America. Please, please - someone save the Democrats from themselves.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
vroom wrote:
And yes, the withdrawal is a complete cluster fuck to anyone who doesn’t have a framed picture of the POTUS hanging on their wall in adoration.

I don’t own a photo of anyone other than my family.

Please explain the clusterfuck. I don’t see one. I see a rough patch. I see a rabid press. I see the conservative base standing up and being heard by the party.

But where is the clusterfuck? Just because you hang a label on it does not make it so. [/quote]

Moreover, it is not unusual for the Justices to get appointed to be secind or third choices. The late Rehnquist was not the first choice, nor was Anthony Kennedy. And, if memory serves, neither was Breyer, but I could be wrong.

Does anyone remember the names of the first Justice nominated in each of those instances?

Does anyone remember it causing a Presidential flameout?

I think the Miers nomination was a bad move, but does it signal some giant crack in the administration? Nope, it just means that the Senators are paying attention and a better candidate will be put forward for consideration.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
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And yes, the withdrawal is a complete cluster fuck to anyone who doesn’t have a framed picture of the POTUS hanging on their wall in adoration.[/quote]

I think you need to redefine “complete cluster fuck.”

Was it something handled perfectly? Or even well? Probably not.

But it was hardly something monumental – I don’t even think it will get a footnote in the history books as big as the ones for Bork or Ginsburg (Douglas, not Ruth Bader), who were defeated after long, drawn-out confirmation fights. Heck, I don’t even think this will merit the status of a Zoe Baird or Bernie what’s his name (the former NYC chief of police), who didn’t get votes when items of a scandalous nature came out and they withdrew from consideration.

This was a mistake, and it was actually cleaned up rather deftly, even if they did have to follow the advice of an opinion columnist (assuming they didn’t leak him their strategy that is…).

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
vroom wrote:
And yes, the withdrawal is a complete cluster fuck to anyone who doesn’t have a framed picture of the POTUS hanging on their wall in adoration.

I don’t own a photo of anyone other than my family.

… [/quote]

I have never given one red cent to a political party, but I did see Bush in person at a campaign rally. It was kind of cool.

After the rally they mailed me an “autographed” pic of George and Laura thanking me personally for my support.

I imagine some day my grandkids will think I was a big shot when they find it.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Bush cleans up his mess and some of the liberals find something to bitch about. Amazing.[/quote]

I would rather have someone that knows their stuff in there. Miers’ contradicted herself so many times over the years that it is impossible to tell where she stood on many things.

Not that views aren’t allowed to change, of course, but it is alot different than making a decision as a judge, then writing out the explanation.

At least Robert’s is very intelligent. He said it hjimself: Congress can change the laws if they don’t like his ruling. He understands where he stand being a Supreme Court Justice. I don’t know if Miers’ would understand this…how can you defend or attack someone when you don’t even know where they stand? That’s why I shut up while I was reading these threads about her…until I know where her thoughts are, I can’t judge.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bush cleans up his mess and some of the liberals find something to bitch about. Amazing.

Why do you sound so suprised?

They bitched when he didn’t haul ass down to NOLA, then bitched when he announced plans to get to Houston before the hurricane hit Texas.

Bitching and moaning is what the left does.

The Left shrieked when Bush nominated Miers with the cry of ‘cronyism’!

When Miers withdrew her nomination, the Left shrieked with the cry that she is bowing to the ‘rabid right wing’! (see the People for the American Way leader’s comments)

So, the Left was mad that she arrived and now they are mad that she is leaving.

Watching this descent into political schizophrenia is a sad tragedy in America. Please, please - someone save the Democrats from themselves.[/quote]

For once I agree with you. This is actually sad the state that the Democratic party is in. They literally jumped on her in the first moment, and no one held on to take a look at what she did.

The Democrats are like a top heavy bodybuilder who never does legs. They do alot for show, but they have no base, and therefore no balance.

They need to reaffirm the base that has kept the Democrats around for so long. if Miers’ is a little left, or moderate, than don’t bash her because Bush picked her. But they did jump on the bandwagon against her right away.

Now of course, the base of Republicans leveled Miers. So now, we will get another who is undoubtedly farther right. Which will cause a shitstorm. But unfortunately, the Democrats will not have a leg to stand on, being as they will attack Bush over and over and never actually provide an alternative, or even show what they think.

I think it is the lack of a strong unifying leader and an almost depression that the party has been in for the last few years. I don’t know how we are going to fare with this next one. At this point, putting FDR’s corpse up there will be better than anyone else we have at the moment.

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[quote]And yes, the withdrawal is a complete cluster fuck to anyone who doesn’t have a framed picture of the POTUS hanging on their wall in adoration.

I think you need to redefine “complete cluster fuck.”[/quote]

Oh, I’m sorry, I merely meant that there is so much going wrong at the moment that it in total represents a cluster fuck.

The Miers issue was just one item, which shows the religious right flexing it’s muscle against the president.

However, I find it curious that the left is being blamed on this issue. Other than arguing about what is in fact meant by the word cronyism, I haven’t seen “the left” carrying on all that much about Miers.

Well, there were obviously the radical left groups proclaiming their dislike, but that is hardly “the left”. Hell, the right wing cognoscenti in washington shot a lot more bullets at her than the left ever did.

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Miers shouldn’t have been in the running at all. While the nation was looking at the cronyism of FEMA’s Michael Brown, Bush made a dumbass move by nominating Miers. She had no judicial experience, her stances weren’t clear and the White House compounded the issue by refusing to release her documents. It made them look like they had something to hide about her. Bush giving the impression of “just trust me, she’s good” is no longer good enough for this country. The country wants documentation now and she didn’t have it to offer. She was a poor choice, period.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Oh, I’m sorry, I merely meant that there is so much going wrong at the moment that it in total represents a cluster fuck. [/quote]

So much going wrong? I guess it depends on how you spin it. It is no worse than CLinton had it in his last term. I would venture to say that the 2nd Bush admin is the model of efficiency when compared to Clinton’s.

[quote]
The Miers issue was just one item, which shows the religious right flexing it’s muscle against the president.[/quote]

You got your talking points wrong. It is the radical right - not the religous right. Reid said as much in a speech yesterday.

[quote]
However, I find it curious that the left is being blamed on this issue. Other than arguing about what is in fact meant by the word cronyism, I haven’t seen “the left” carrying on all that much about Miers.[/quote]

I’ll refer you to the Reid speech from yesterday. It is a big deal with the left - I don’t think you are listening.

[quote]
Well, there were obviously the radical left groups proclaiming their dislike, but that is hardly “the left”. Hell, the right wing cognoscenti in washington shot a lot more bullets at her than the left ever did. [/quote]

I don’t think you can call them bullets. I think the powers that be listened to the conservative base. Not the radical, or religous right, but the real heart and soul of the conservative movement - everyday republicans that were scared that she would be a turncoat.

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Miers shouldn’t have been in the running at all. While the nation was looking at the cronyism of FEMA’s Michael Brown, Bush made a dumbass move by nominating Miers. She had no judicial experience, her stances weren’t clear and the White House compounded the issue by refusing to release her documents. [/quote]

I don’t think they would be allowed to release any Meirs’ documents as they would probably be considered classified since it would entail airing legal discussions between her and a sitting President. But I don’t know that for sure.

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The real heart and soul of the conservative movement is the religious right. These are the people that can be brought out in droves to reliably vote republican…

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[quote]vroom wrote:
The real heart and soul of the conservative movement is the religious right. These are the people that can be brought out in droves to reliably vote republican…[/quote]

Then you are impuning 51% of the electorate. I think that is quite a stretch.

But ask Doogie, or Lothario. I don;t think they are anywhere near religous, yet they are what I would consider part of the conservative base.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
And yes, the withdrawal is a complete cluster fuck to anyone who doesn’t have a framed picture of the POTUS hanging on their wall in adoration.

I think you need to redefine “complete cluster fuck.”

Oh, I’m sorry, I merely meant that there is so much going wrong at the moment that it in total represents a cluster fuck.

The Miers issue was just one item, which shows the religious right flexing it’s muscle against the president.

However, I find it curious that the left is being blamed on this issue. Other than arguing about what is in fact meant by the word cronyism, I haven’t seen “the left” carrying on all that much about Miers.

Well, there were obviously the radical left groups proclaiming their dislike, but that is hardly “the left”. Hell, the right wing cognoscenti in washington shot a lot more bullets at her than the left ever did.[/quote]

I think you should read this poll w/r/t Miers:

If this is accurate, I wouldn’t say that too many people care a whole lot – and even fewer will remember.

BTW, I don’t recall blaming the Left. Though some left-wing groups came out with their reflexive comments, it was the Republican base the protested most loudly on everything save “cronyism” – which, incidently, wouldn’t have mattered were she a well qualified crony.