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[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
OARSMAN wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:

Doesn’t surprise me. SEC has never gotten any respect.

What a load of bullshit. Florida is in the title game precisely because of the respect the SEC gets.

And the massive amounts of politicking and inexplicable resistance to seeing a rematch [which the rules do not prohibit; nor do they prohibit two teams from the same conference].

Very true, and it’s the only reason I can think of as to why Florida jumped Michigan. So lets see, Michigan was ranked either 2nd or 3rd from weeks 8 to 14 (with the only teams ahead of them being Ohio State and USC), while Florida was as low as 10. The Gators, in this stretch, were never ranked ahead of Michigan. So how, during a weekend when the Wolverine players were sitting at home and the Gators were a caught punt away from losing to Arkansas, did the two teams flip-flop? The only reason I can honestly come up with is ratings…no rematch, different conferences, different regions of the country. Simple as that.
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Bowls make more money than playoffs because if you were to move to a bowl system they would take the top 16 teams like they do in D2, D3, and NAIA. This is going to make for 15 post season games (not near as many games as the bowl system).

Teams will also want to hit the playoffs without injuries which means that every team will want to shorten their season (less money). Where as the bowl system gives the teams plenty of rest time, and prep time.

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I posted this in another thread, but this is the best playoff that I can think of, and I think it is pretty fair to everyone.

First of all, the reason I suggest a 12 team playoff instead of 8 teams is this: The conference champion from the 6 major conferences all deserve a berth.

If Notre Dame has a good season they deserve a birth, and if a mid-major goes undefeated (Boise State this Year) they deserve a shot. There’s your 8 teams and we have no at-large berths, so this year Michigan would miss out. Not fair when you consider they are arguably the number two team.

Regular Season

Regular season begins the last weekend of August. All I-A teams will play 12 games against other I-A teams, with one bye week. The final regular season games are played the Friday after Thanksgiving.

The Big 12, SEC, ACC, MAC, and CUSA scrap their north/south east/west divisions. Each team plays every team in their conference once and has one non-conference game, to be played anytime during the season.

The other conferences also play each team in their conference once with non-conference games used to schedule 12 games. Notre Dame, Army, Navy, and Temple can continue as Indepedents.

This will restore some old rivalries (Nebraska/Oklahoma) while creating a fair way to determine regular season conference champions using simple tie-breakers, since the regular season is essentially a round-robin tournament within each conference. NO CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES ARE PLAYED.

Bowl Games

The Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, and BCS National Title will remain as BCS Bowls. The Cotton Bowl will be elevated to BCS status. The remaining 27 bowls will select their teams immediately following the regular season, not to select any of the 12 teams in the playoffs. More on the BCS bowls later.

Playoffs

The playoffs will begin the first weekend after the regular season, and continue for three weeks. At this point we will have our top two teams that will play in the BCS National Championship Game, the remaining 10 teams will play in the other 5 BCS bowls, paying careful attention to regional considerations (i.e. Big 10 vs. Pac-10 in the Rose Bowl) and making sure that no two teams that met in the playoffs will meet again in bowl game.

These 5 bowls will be played on New Years Day while the Championship will be played the first Monday after New Years. The other 27 bowls will start immediately after the playoffs end, and all will be finished by Dec. 31st.

Selecting the Playoff Teams

Regular Season Champions from the Big 12, Big 10, ACC, SEC, Pac-10, and Big East will get Automatic Berths. The highest ranked mid-major team (by BCS rankings) will get an automatic berth. If any independent team finishes in the top 12 of the BCS, they will get an automatic berth. If two independents finish in the top 12, only the highest ranked team will get an automatic berth.

Remaining playoff berths (the at-large teams) go to the next highest ranked teams until all twelve spots are filled. Seedings are determined by BCS rank.

Recap

This system maintains the current Bowl system, while making New Years Day Games and the Cotton Bowl meaningful again. Most teams will still play 12 or 13 games, with a maximum of 16, but usually no more than 15. (High schoolers play 13 games in 13 weeks, so I don’t think this is too many.)

The Football season will always be over by Jan. 8th. Some old rivalries are restored, and we don’t have to worry about Big 10 teams with easy schedules, since everybody plays everybody. My system also maintains tradition by keeping the
Polls, hopefully the Harris Poll would be scrapped and the AP would rejoin the BCS.

And I don’t believe the 13th ranked team will have much argument for a chance, due to all of the automatic berths. I really believe that this sort of system solves all the problems typically brought up by playoff opponents, and also maintains a very competitive regular season, since it in itself is a round-robin tournament.

If we just used my selection procedures (Obviously we can’t use my regular season) then our playoff teams would be:

  1. Ohio State (Big 10)
  2. Florida (SEC)
  3. Michigan (At Large #1)
  4. LSU (At Large #2)
  5. USC (Pac-10)
  6. Louisville (Big East)
  7. Wisconsin (At Large #3)
  8. Boise State (Mid-Major)
  9. Auburn (At Large #4)
  10. Oklahoma (Big 12)
  11. Notre Dame (Automatic for top 12)
  12. Wake Forest (ACC)

Arkansas is #12 in the BCS, and they just miss, but with back to back losses to LSU and Florida, they don’t have much arguement to be included.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
tedro wrote:

How are you going to choose that fourth team?

2006 - LSU, Wisconsin, OU, Louisville, or Boise State?

this case, LSU because they are ranked higher than the others.

But they didn’t even win their conference championship. Would you really take them over Big 12 champ OU, who should only have one loss, and Boise State, who has done nothing to merit their exclusion from a Championship game? What more can you do than win all your games? Most of which weren’t even close.

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You’re right, but would you send a lower ranked team over a higher ranked team? This is more of the problem that the BCS is. That is why UF is playing OSU and not UM. UM is higher ranked, but didn’t win their conference.

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[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
You’re right, but would you send a lower ranked team over a higher ranked team? This is more of the problem that the BCS is. That is why UF is playing OSU and not UM. UM is higher ranked, but didn’t win their conference.[/quote]

If they make the right call on the onside kick, then OU only has one loss and is ranked higher than LSU.

Honestly though, I can’t tell you who I would pick in this situation. I am just trying to show why a 4-team playoff is fundamentally flawed.

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Ok, all you SEC haters. Lets set the record straight. Have any of you dumbasses counted how many SEC schools are in the TOP 25 polls? You fuckers probably didn’t because you’re too busy crying over Michigan getting screwed–WELL DO THE MATH YOU DOUCHE.

Ah fuck it, I’ll do it for you. You know how I know you dipshits can’t count–You play in a slapass conference called the “Big 10” yet you have 11 teams–GO FIGURE!! Has anybody even bothered to call the Conference exec’s to point out this oversight? Anyways back to the idea at hand. Here’s the break down you simpletons:

BCS TOP 10 Teams
SEC - 3
Big “11” - 3
WAC - 1
Pac-10 - 1 (oh and they actually have 10 teams in their conference)
Big 12 - 1
Big East - 1

BCS TOP 25 Teams
SEC - 5
Pac-10 - 4
Big 12 - 4
Big “11” - 3
Big East - 3
ACC - 3
WAC - 1
Mt West - 1
Ind. - 1

Count it up bitches SEC-5- ALL OTHERS LESS THAN 5 (I FIGURE MOST OF YOU SHITS CAN’T COUNT TO FIVE SO I’LL JUST LEAVE IT AS LESS THAN. HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT!!)

AP Poll Top 25
SEC - 5
BIG 12 - 4
PAC-10 - 3
“Little 11” - 3
ACC-3
Big East - 3
(and others but you get my point)

USA TODAY POLL Top 25
SEC - 5
Big 12 - 4
ACC - 4
Pac-10 - 3
“Little 11” - 3
Big East - 3
(see where I’m going with this!!)

As you can see the SEC has more Top 25 teams in ANY POLL than ANY OTHER CONFERENCE!!

SEC a weak conference??? Hummmm, let’s count it up again bitches. Of all the teams in the SEC, 7 are .500 and above in conference play and 9 are .500 and above in overall play. In the “Little 11” only 5 are .500 and above in conference and only 6 are above .500 overall. What does this mean?? Well, kiddies it means that the SEC 1.) has more teams (yes, 12 is 1 greater than 10–whoops sorry I mean 11) 2.) has consistently better teams 3.) and if you win your division you get to play an extra game against another Top 25 team. That’s what we call a “Conference Championship game”. You fuckers should look into it.

OK, OK we got our Vandy’s, Mississippi States, and others, but the Big 10 has Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan State and Illinois. Essentially, you got 2 or 3 teams beating the shit out of a couple of candyass teams and you want to say the “Little 11” is better than the SEC. You truly are a collective group of morons. So keep crying!!!

We all hate the BCS. We all get screwed by it. Hey, look at us (Auburn) 13-0 in 2004. If you don’t call that getting majorly fucked over, then you must be stupid.

Bottom line. We all hate the BCS because at some point your team is going to get fucked, but let’s not sit here and make bullshit claims that the “Little 11” is better than the SEC.

IT’S IN THE NUMBERS, YOU MATHIMATICALLY CHALLENGED COCK-GOBBLERS!!!

And to all you Gator fans, CONGRATULATIONS!!! I hope you guys win. If you do win, the years will roll by and people will look at your record and see 13-1 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!! Then they will always ask, “Well, who did they lose to?” and the answer will be to the AUBURN TIGERS!!! The “Auburn Family” will always rejoice in knowing that we took a nice chunk out of that sweet National Championship ASS!!! WAR DAMN EAGLE, BITCHES!!!

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
btm62 wrote:
I think you will find the Big 10 is the conference that is overrated. The SEC has much better teams and more of them. This year anyway.

I think both Michigan and OSU go down in bowl games.

I may be full of shit, but I’m calling it now.

I tend to think you’re full of shit. Analyzing the teams objectively, I HIGHLY doubt Michigan will lose to USC. And it’s even more unlikely that Florida loses to Ohio State.
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You may be right!

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Angrypenguin wrote:
Michigan might be the better team, but with the lack of a true playoff system I do not think you should be allowed to play for the National Championship if you didnt even win your own conference.

Here’s a hypothetical:

#1 Oklahoma goes 12-0. #2 Texas goes 11-1, with their only loss being a 2-pt loss in 5 overtimes to Oklahoma. Every other team in America has at least 2 losses.

In the Big XII Championship game, Oklahoma is stunned by 8-4 Nebraska. Now neither Oklahoma at 12-1 nor Texas at 11-1 have won their Conference Title.

Every other team in America has 2 losses, but OU and UT are not eligible to play even though they both have only one loss.

Outlandish? Sure it is, but there have been recent seasons (like this one) where we were THISCLOSE to having scenarios similar to this.

For that reason, I think banning non-Conference Champions from the National Title game is a little short-sighted.[/quote]

My only problem is an 8-4 Nebraska team beating an undefeated Oklahoma team with the current coaching staff. Please revise and resubmit. It more than my mind can handle.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
I posted this in another thread, but this is the best playoff that I can think of, and I think it is pretty fair to everyone.

First of all, the reason I suggest a 12 team playoff instead of 8 teams is this: The conference champion from the 6 major conferences all deserve a berth.

If Notre Dame has a good season they deserve a birth, and if a mid-major goes undefeated (Boise State this Year) they deserve a shot. There’s your 8 teams and we have no at-large berths, so this year Michigan would miss out. Not fair when you consider they are arguably the number two team.

Regular Season

Regular season begins the last weekend of August. All I-A teams will play 12 games against other I-A teams, with one bye week. The final regular season games are played the Friday after Thanksgiving.

The Big 12, SEC, ACC, MAC, and CUSA scrap their north/south east/west divisions. Each team plays every team in their conference once and has one non-conference game, to be played anytime during the season.

The other conferences also play each team in their conference once with non-conference games used to schedule 12 games. Notre Dame, Army, Navy, and Temple can continue as Indepedents.

This will restore some old rivalries (Nebraska/Oklahoma) while creating a fair way to determine regular season conference champions using simple tie-breakers, since the regular season is essentially a round-robin tournament within each conference. NO CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES ARE PLAYED.

Bowl Games

The Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, and BCS National Title will remain as BCS Bowls. The Cotton Bowl will be elevated to BCS status. The remaining 27 bowls will select their teams immediately following the regular season, not to select any of the 12 teams in the playoffs. More on the BCS bowls later.

Playoffs

The playoffs will begin the first weekend after the regular season, and continue for three weeks. At this point we will have our top two teams that will play in the BCS National Championship Game, the remaining 10 teams will play in the other 5 BCS bowls, paying careful attention to regional considerations (i.e. Big 10 vs. Pac-10 in the Rose Bowl) and making sure that no two teams that met in the playoffs will meet again in bowl game.

These 5 bowls will be played on New Years Day while the Championship will be played the first Monday after New Years. The other 27 bowls will start immediately after the playoffs end, and all will be finished by Dec. 31st.

Selecting the Playoff Teams

Regular Season Champions from the Big 12, Big 10, ACC, SEC, Pac-10, and Big East will get Automatic Berths. The highest ranked mid-major team (by BCS rankings) will get an automatic berth. If any independent team finishes in the top 12 of the BCS, they will get an automatic berth. If two independents finish in the top 12, only the highest ranked team will get an automatic berth.

Remaining playoff berths (the at-large teams) go to the next highest ranked teams until all twelve spots are filled. Seedings are determined by BCS rank.

Recap

This system maintains the current Bowl system, while making New Years Day Games and the Cotton Bowl meaningful again. Most teams will still play 12 or 13 games, with a maximum of 16, but usually no more than 15. (High schoolers play 13 games in 13 weeks, so I don’t think this is too many.)

The Football season will always be over by Jan. 8th. Some old rivalries are restored, and we don’t have to worry about Big 10 teams with easy schedules, since everybody plays everybody. My system also maintains tradition by keeping the
Polls, hopefully the Harris Poll would be scrapped and the AP would rejoin the BCS.

And I don’t believe the 13th ranked team will have much argument for a chance, due to all of the automatic berths. I really believe that this sort of system solves all the problems typically brought up by playoff opponents, and also maintains a very competitive regular season, since it in itself is a round-robin tournament.

If we just used my selection procedures (Obviously we can’t use my regular season) then our playoff teams would be:

  1. Ohio State (Big 10)
  2. Florida (SEC)
  3. Michigan (At Large #1)
  4. LSU (At Large #2)
  5. USC (Pac-10)
  6. Louisville (Big East)
  7. Wisconsin (At Large #3)
  8. Boise State (Mid-Major)
  9. Auburn (At Large #4)
  10. Oklahoma (Big 12)
  11. Notre Dame (Automatic for top 12)
  12. Wake Forest (ACC)

Arkansas is #12 in the BCS, and they just miss, but with back to back losses to LSU and Florida, they don’t have much arguement to be included.[/quote]

I say the Razorbacks are still more qualified than Notre Dame.

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
WhiteLable412 wrote:
Gonna be a close game, but belive that florida is gonna come out of this with another win.

You’ve gotta be kidding me. Have you actually looked at the stats of these teams or even watched both play for that matter? [with a comment like that]

Call this poetic justice for Auburn two years ago. I knew you Big Thin namby pambies would be crying over this. Michigan had their shot…the last game thoe two teams played was each other. Who wants to see another Big 10 game in the championship…

God its the most boring football on the planet…Tight end drag across the middle for 5, and 32 iso for three yards over and over and over. I record Big 10 games for use when I’m out of Ambien.

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LOL!

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[quote]tedro wrote:
his proposal…
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First thing I see wrong is that schools won’t allow a playoff immediately after the regular season. They won’t allow games during exams. Many think this is a joke, but it is still important to many people. After all, most of these kids are students first and will never play football again after college.

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Most teams will still play 12 or 13 games, with a maximum of 16, but usually no more than 15. (High schoolers play 13 games in 13 weeks, so I don’t think this is too many.) [/quote]

This comparison is kind of weak. High school kids don’t travel all over the country each week for games. Most never leave the state and some never even leave their city.

I think 16 games is too many, the injury factor will come into play too often with a longer season.

Finally, you’re system doesn’t do anything to keep late season games meaningful. In your system Michigan, USC, and Notre Dame all get into the playoff, yet they lost their last and most meaningful game of the year. But in this system, they didn’t need to win.

I see this as the biggest problem of any playoff system, especially when you get into a larger playoff pool. Clinching early. If you let the top 12 into the playoff the top 3 or 4 could clear the bench for their last game and not really be penalized. I don’t like it.

People complain because college football is the only sport without a playoff and that’s true. But it’s also the only sport where the regular season means so much. One loss at the wrong time to the wrong team can end your shot at a championship. I love that! Until someone can propose a playoff system that will keep the integrity of the regular season, I’ll take the imperfect bowl system.

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
WhiteLable412 wrote:
Gonna be a close game, but belive that florida is gonna come out of this with another win.

You’ve gotta be kidding me. Have you actually looked at the stats of these teams or even watched both play for that matter? [with a comment like that]

Call this poetic justice for Auburn two years ago. I knew you Big Thin namby pambies would be crying over this. Michigan had their shot…the last game thoe two teams played was each other. Who wants to see another Big 10 game in the championship…

God its the most boring football on the planet…Tight end drag across the middle for 5, and 32 iso for three yards over and over and over. I record Big 10 games for use when I’m out of Ambien.

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You didn’t watch the OSU/Michigan game then.

You didn’t watch any of Michigan’s games then.

You didn’t watch any of OSU’s games then.

You didn’t watch Wisconsin’s games then.

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[quote]obatiger11 wrote:
Ok, all you SEC haters. Lets set the record straight. Have any of you dumbasses counted how many SEC schools are in the TOP 25 polls? You fuckers probably didn’t because you’re too busy crying over Michigan getting screwed–WELL DO THE MATH YOU DOUCHE.

Ah fuck it, I’ll do it for you. You know how I know you dipshits can’t count–You play in a slapass conference called the “Big 10” yet you have 11 teams–GO FIGURE!! Has anybody even bothered to call the Conference exec’s to point out this oversight? Anyways back to the idea at hand. Here’s the break down you simpletons:

BCS TOP 10 Teams
SEC - 3
Big “11” - 3
WAC - 1
Pac-10 - 1 (oh and they actually have 10 teams in their conference)
Big 12 - 1
Big East - 1

BCS TOP 25 Teams
SEC - 5
Pac-10 - 4
Big 12 - 4
Big “11” - 3
Big East - 3
ACC - 3
WAC - 1
Mt West - 1
Ind. - 1

Count it up bitches SEC-5- ALL OTHERS LESS THAN 5 (I FIGURE MOST OF YOU SHITS CAN’T COUNT TO FIVE SO I’LL JUST LEAVE IT AS LESS THAN. HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT!!)

AP Poll Top 25
SEC - 5
BIG 12 - 4
PAC-10 - 3
“Little 11” - 3
ACC-3
Big East - 3
(and others but you get my point)

USA TODAY POLL Top 25
SEC - 5
Big 12 - 4
ACC - 4
Pac-10 - 3
“Little 11” - 3
Big East - 3
(see where I’m going with this!!)

As you can see the SEC has more Top 25 teams in ANY POLL than ANY OTHER CONFERENCE!!

SEC a weak conference??? Hummmm, let’s count it up again bitches. Of all the teams in the SEC, 7 are .500 and above in conference play and 9 are .500 and above in overall play. In the “Little 11” only 5 are .500 and above in conference and only 6 are above .500 overall. What does this mean?? Well, kiddies it means that the SEC 1.) has more teams (yes, 12 is 1 greater than 10–whoops sorry I mean 11) 2.) has consistently better teams 3.) and if you win your division you get to play an extra game against another Top 25 team. That’s what we call a “Conference Championship game”. You fuckers should look into it.

OK, OK we got our Vandy’s, Mississippi States, and others, but the Big 10 has Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan State and Illinois. Essentially, you got 2 or 3 teams beating the shit out of a couple of candyass teams and you want to say the “Little 11” is better than the SEC. You truly are a collective group of morons. So keep crying!!!

We all hate the BCS. We all get screwed by it. Hey, look at us (Auburn) 13-0 in 2004. If you don’t call that getting majorly fucked over, then you must be stupid.

Bottom line. We all hate the BCS because at some point your team is going to get fucked, but let’s not sit here and make bullshit claims that the “Little 11” is better than the SEC.

IT’S IN THE NUMBERS, YOU MATHIMATICALLY CHALLENGED COCK-GOBBLERS!!!

And to all you Gator fans, CONGRATULATIONS!!! I hope you guys win. If you do win, the years will roll by and people will look at your record and see 13-1 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!! Then they will always ask, “Well, who did they lose to?” and the answer will be to the AUBURN TIGERS!!! The “Auburn Family” will always rejoice in knowing that we took a nice chunk out of that sweet National Championship ASS!!! WAR DAMN EAGLE, BITCHES!!!

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Dear War-Eagle,

You got housed by the Razors in your own nest.

Your views, although appreciated to some extent, don’t mean shit.

Yeah you got fucked over in ‘04, and your Cadillac and Brown’s got drafted. Now all you can do is fly the SEC flag like a Petty fan at Talladega remembering the good ol’ days. Put a team on the field that can contend and I’ll listen again.

B.

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[quote]obatiger11 wrote:
stuff…
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If the SEC is such a power conference, why are consistently around .500 in bowl games every year? You would think a super powered conference like the SEC would just destroy all the other weaker conferences. I don’t get it.

And, yes, we know there are 11 teams in the Big Ten. How clever to make fun of that.

Note to every “rational” SEC fan:

I don’t hate the SEC. They’re a pretty good conference this year. I just hate when people like this clown act like the SEC is a collection of teams similar to the '66 Packers, '72 Dolphins, '85 Bears, '92 Cowboys, and the '99 Rams. I also think the BCS got it right by selecting Florida.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
MODOK wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
WhiteLable412 wrote:
Gonna be a close game, but belive that florida is gonna come out of this with another win.

You’ve gotta be kidding me. Have you actually looked at the stats of these teams or even watched both play for that matter? [with a comment like that]

Call this poetic justice for Auburn two years ago. I knew you Big Thin namby pambies would be crying over this. Michigan had their shot…the last game thoe two teams played was each other. Who wants to see another Big 10 game in the championship…

God its the most boring football on the planet…Tight end drag across the middle for 5, and 32 iso for three yards over and over and over. I record Big 10 games for use when I’m out of Ambien.

You didn’t watch the OSU/Michigan game then.

You didn’t watch any of Michigan’s games then.

You didn’t watch any of OSU’s games then.

You didn’t watch Wisconsin’s games then.

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Basically. And while OSU may not slaughter Florida, it’s not going to be an exciting game. All our talk is just talk. We’ll all see whose right soon enough. But I’ll be shocked if it’s a good game and shocked if it’s even as good as the OSU/Michigan game. Shocked if it’s even as good as the Michigan/USC game will be.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:

I think 16 games is too many, the injury factor will come into play too often with a longer season.
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Yes, very likely so. But there will always be problems when some conferences have conference championships and other conferences don’t and the season of some conferences goes two weeks longer, allowing a team to drop twice in the standings without ever playing a game.

As long as these gross discrepancies and disparities exist, someone is always going to feel robbed. And probably justifiably so in many cases. It’s not always going to be Michigan. We’ll never have a perfect system, but we’ve gotta be able to do better than the BCS.

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all you SEC fans…if your conference is so AMAZING…why do all your teams get their asses handed to them in bowl games every year??..hmmm maybee cause your overrated…you may have 5 teams in the top 25…but…really does a system that is voted on really mean alot??..leys see how your teams do in the bowls…OSU 65 F 3 …probably won’t even be that close…
and as far as a playoff system bringing in less $$…do some math…you can just as many…if not more bowl games…the only diff. some of the games will mean something. P.S. don’t think the NCAA is doin to bad money wize with March Madness…what do they have…like over a BILLION $ deal with CBS…

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

Dear War-Eagle,

You got housed by the Razors in your own nest.

Your views, although appreciated to some extent, don’t mean shit.

Yeah you got fucked over in ‘04, and your Cadillac and Brown’s got drafted. Now all you can do is fly the SEC flag like a Petty fan at Talladega remembering the good ol’ days. Put a team on the field that can contend and I’ll listen again.

B.[/quote]

Dear Brad,

I never denied that fact that McFadden single-handly waxed and polished our asses or the fact that the Bulldogs shat on the 50 yard line and rubbed our own noses in it. In fact Brad, I never once said that Auburn should be in a BCS game. We were not that good this year and we were definitely not a BCS contender. The point I was trying to make is that the SEC is not overrated (unlike many ppl tend to be claiming) because the proof is in the polls.

Year in and year out we (the SEC) almost always has more teams in the Top 25. I will support Florida during the Title game b/c I am a SEC fan. And you better believe that when Ohio State gets beat I will be very happy for UF.

Yes, we did get screwed. Everyone will eventually get screwed unless a playoff system is instituted.

Oh, and for clarification. I hate NASCAR and any other form of “racin”. Who the fuck wants to watch a bunch of cars go around and around and around and around and around.

Anyways, “racin” is for white-trash, rednecks, and other individuals less refined than myself (wait a minute got to get my boots, shit is getting deep).

So until we get a team that can contend I will keep my “Auburn should be in the Title game” soapbox in the closet, but I will not stand by and let ppl state that the SEC is an overrated Conference when it is anything but.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
tedro wrote:
his proposal…

First thing I see wrong is that schools won’t allow a playoff immediately after the regular season. They won’t allow games during exams. Many think this is a joke, but it is still important to many people. After all, most of these kids are students first and will never play football again after college.
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I also think it is a joke, but nonetheless it is easy to work around. First of all, everything remains the same for 107 of the schools, seasons actually end earlier for non-bowl teams. This year, the semifinals would be played Dec. 16, leaving over two weeks before these teams’ bowl games. 4 teams would be done Dec. 2, and four more Dec. 9, so it really only affects teams making the semifinals, but like I said they still have over two weeks before their bowl game plus any time after the game, as winter break lasts to mid-January (sometimes late January).
Most teams will still play 12 or 13 games, with a maximum of 16, but usually no more than 15. (High schoolers play 13 games in 13 weeks, so I don’t think this is too many.)

The only way a team can play 16 games is if they are seeded 5-12 and they make it to the semifinals. Teams that play in their conference championships are already playing 14 games in a season. Under my proposal, in most cases, 4 teams will play 15 games (maybe 1 or 2 play 16 in a given year), while everyone else plays 12-14.

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Finally, you’re system doesn’t do anything to keep late season games meaningful. In your system Michigan, USC, and Notre Dame all get into the playoff, yet they lost their last and most meaningful game of the year. But in this system, they didn’t need to win.

I see this as the biggest problem of any playoff system, especially when you get into a larger playoff pool. Clinching early. If you let the top 12 into the playoff the top 3 or 4 could clear the bench for their last game and not really be penalized. I don’t like it.

People complain because college football is the only sport without a playoff and that’s true. But it’s also the only sport where the regular season means so much. One loss at the wrong time to the wrong team can end your shot at a championship. I love that! Until someone can propose a playoff system that will keep the integrity of the regular season, I’ll take the imperfect bowl system.[/quote]

Alright, I admit, you got me here. This is the biggest downfall of a playoff, but it is not as bad as it looks. This year, it would have affected the OSU/Mich game the most, as they both were lockins for the top four already. The Notre Dame/USC game was still big because a bye was at stake, also it nearly knocked ND out of playoff contention. The USC/UCLA game would have kept USC from a first-round bye. I believe these are the only games that would have lost any relevancy whatsoever.

While some games will be less meaningful, I think adding 10 playoff games is well worth it, but I understand why some will disagree.

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To the guy that put all the rankings up as proof that the SEC is so dominant: I think that’s EXACTLY the point I was making in my posts. The SEC started the season with 5 teams in the top 25, and as I said without a stong non-conference schedule those teams don’t really move much. They all destroy the lessers of the league (the Vandy’s and Miss. States of the world), and if they 1) lose to another top team in the conference they don’t drop much because said team is already ranked high; or 2) beat the other top team, thus increasing their ranking.

Another thing that I mentioned in a few posts is that the only true measuring stick comes in the bowls that these teams ‘earn’ the right to be in…the SEC routinely finishes with a sub-standard record in the bowls, indicating the conference, as a whole, is overrated.

And finally, as I mentioned before, I’m not saying the SEC isn’t a great conference, just that it tends to be overrated and for that reason ends up with teams too highly ranked and often times overmatched in their bowl games. Just one mans unbiased view.

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Alright, so lets see:

2005 - Georgia lost to WV, Auburn lost to Wisconsin, Florida beat Iowa, Alabama beat Texas Tech, LSU beat Miami, Iowa St. lost to TCU (4-3)
2004 - Auburn beat VT, LSU lost to Iowa, Georgia beat Wisconsin, Tenn beat Texas A&M, Florida lost to Miami, Alabama lost to Minn (3-3)
2003 - LSU beat Oklahoma, Tenn. lost to Clemson, Georgia beat Purdue, Florida lost to Iowa, Miss. beat Ok. State, Arkansas beat Missouri (4-2)
2002 - Georgia beat Florida State, Auburn beat Penn. State, Florida lost to Michigan, LSU lost to Texas, Tenn. lost to Maryland, Arkansas lost to Minnesota (2-4)
2001 - Florida beat Maryland, LSU beat Illinois, Tenn. beat Michigan, S. Carolina beat Ohio State, Arkansas lost to OK, Auburn lost to UNC, BC beat Georgia (4-3)
2000 - Florida lost to Miami, Auburn lost to Michigan, S. Carolina beat Ohio State, Tenn. lost to Kansas State, Miss. St beat Texas A&M, LSU beat Georgia Tech (3-3)
1999 - Tenn lost to Nebraska, Alabama lost to Michigan, Florida lost to Mich. St, Georgia beat Purdue, Arkansas beat Texas, Miss. beat Oklahoma, Miss. St. beat Clemson, Kentucky lost to Cuse (3-4)

Not as bad as I expected. Looks like 2 bad years (99 when they lost the three big bowls and were 3-4 overall, and '02 when they were 2-4), 2 good years ('01, winning the three big bowls and 4-3, and '03 when they were 4-2 overall, despite losing in 2 big games), with the rest falling somewhere in the middle.

Alright, so that proved absolutely nobody’s point…that was a pretty sub-par half hour, in my opinion.