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I’m a Michigan guy, and a devout fan and supporter. That being said, after they lost to OSU I didn’t want a rematch. They lost to OSU when it counted the most and that was that.

But I figured USC would win out. Then when they lost to UCLA I got all excited becuase there was going to be a rematch.

Becuase c’mon, Michigan is really the #2 team in the nation. They did nothing to themselves to remove them from that spot. Florida lost in conference too, and by all accounts deserved a shot but they just didn’t dominate like Michigan did in conference.

Uraban Myer did a lot of crying, that’s for sure.

Florida didn’t impress me against FSU, and by that time FSU wasn’t even ranked.

At any rate the only justification I can see for thrusting the Gators ahead of the Wolverines is that people wanted to see the OSU/FLA matchup rather than the rematch.

What happens now for U of M? They go back to the drawing board and handle the rose bowl and freaking throttle the Trojans, then focus next year on beating OSU in the big-house and removing all doubt. They’ve got a lot of starters coming back, their year was terrific this year, and I’m all the more excited for next year. Manningham, Hart, Henne, Arrington, Big Jake Long… They’re all coming back on offence, and the defence finally has a confident coach in English to run the show.

As for the Fiesta Bowl, I know in my heart that people will tune out after the first quarter when OSU scores it’s third touchdown in a complete butt-raping of Florida. I want that more than anything right now, to see a complete ass kicking to prove that the voters picked the wrong team…

Hell, Wisconsin, the #3 team in the big ten could whip FLA.

B.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Hell, Wisconsin, the #3 team in the big ten could whip FLA.

B.[/quote]

Serioulsy doubt it. Fla. will play a tougher game that you people think.

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[quote]iksrtfo28 wrote:
With fans like you who needs people to boo them?

Another point of reference: When things work out for YOUR team it’s the way it’s supposed to be. When things DON’T you got fuckin’ robbed!!!

I still cheer for them…but…just statin facts…they are in down period…but they will be back…

sorry…not once did I say anyone was robbed…maybee you should learn how to read? just don’t believe Florida is deserving of being in the tital game…and feel the NCAA needs a playoff system
and for you people sayin a team need to win their conference?..why? do it like the college BBall…but without as many teams…

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Maybe you should learn how to read.

It was a general statement, I guess using the term “you” was confusing.

Example: Florida faces against OSU, you should reply: “Well duh, we’re obviously the better team”

Example 2: Florida didn’t face OSU, you should reply: “We were robbed!!!”

See what I’m getting at?

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[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
Hell, Wisconsin, the #3 team in the big ten could whip FLA.

B.

Serioulsy doubt it. Fla. will play a tougher game that you people think. [/quote]

They’re doubting our SEC street cred, Big…

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[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
Hell, Wisconsin, the #3 team in the big ten could whip FLA.

B.

Serioulsy doubt it. Fla. will play a tougher game that you people think.

They’re doubting our SEC street cred, Big…[/quote]

Doesn’t surprise me. SEC has never gotten any respect.

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I am all about the Big 10 but I don’t know if I would give Wisconsin the nod over Florida. Although, and some of you might think me crazy, I did have money on Florida State against Florida…

Again, while we can all whine like Urban Meyer before the BCS decisions, sit back, wait a few weeks, and we will have some good football to watch.

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[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
Hell, Wisconsin, the #3 team in the big ten could whip FLA.

B.

Serioulsy doubt it. Fla. will play a tougher game that you people think.

They’re doubting our SEC street cred, Big…[/quote]

Top to bottom, the SEC has good teams, for sure. Not this year though. For Arkansas to go into “war eagle” and crush them and then for FLA not to do the same tells me that it was anyone’s ballgame on saturday. FLA capitalized on a couple opportunities and won the game, absolutely, but they didn’t dominate Arkansas like everyone thought they would.

Because they won the SEC doesn’t mean they’re the #2 team in the country, sorry, it’s just not justified to me.

B.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
Hell, Wisconsin, the #3 team in the big ten could whip FLA.

B.

Serioulsy doubt it. Fla. will play a tougher game that you people think.

They’re doubting our SEC street cred, Big…

Top to bottom, the SEC has good teams, for sure. Not this year though. For Arkansas to go into “war eagle” and crush them and then for FLA not to do the same tells me that it was anyone’s ballgame on saturday. FLA capitalized on a couple opportunities and won the game, absolutely, but they didn’t dominate Arkansas like everyone thought they would.

Because they won the SEC doesn’t mean they’re the #2 team in the country, sorry, it’s just not justified to me.

B.

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What’s the fascination with domination?? So the hell what? A win is a win. The fact that no one dominated another in the SEC shows how tough the teams are, and that it’s always anyones game. There aren’t the huge teams blowing out the same shitty ones like in the other conferences. I mean, the Big 10 is Michigan and OSU. The rest are just there to be beat by those two.

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I heard an interesting point made by Herbstreit last night, essentially that he could make a dozen arguments why Michigan SHOULD be in the title game, but at the same time he couldn’t make any arguments AGAINST Florida playing for the championship. He’s obviously a proponent for a playoff of some sort and I think he made his point right there: how can you deny EITHER of these teams the opportunity to play for the national championship?

Personally, with no bias either way, I wanted to see Michigan. I think they’re the better of the two teams and while that can’t be substantiated it also can’t be proven that Florida is better than Michigan. So with that in mind my decision was based on the fact that games on the road, when doing handicapping, are generally given a 2-3 point spread when the teams are equally matched. Well, that’s what Michigan lost by, in an extremely close game. That leads to my thought that Michigan is the equal of Ohio State–the consensus #1–while Florida should just be happy to in the conversation after that close call against Arkansas.

Oh, and if anyone wants to bitch it should be me as a BC fan…they consistenly look great every season, then have one stinker (this year against Miami, a few years ago against Cuse) then get stuck in some terrible bowl against an inferior opponent who they crush…it’s just no fun.

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[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
Hell, Wisconsin, the #3 team in the big ten could whip FLA.

B.

Serioulsy doubt it. Fla. will play a tougher game that you people think.

They’re doubting our SEC street cred, Big…

Top to bottom, the SEC has good teams, for sure. Not this year though. For Arkansas to go into “war eagle” and crush them and then for FLA not to do the same tells me that it was anyone’s ballgame on saturday. FLA capitalized on a couple opportunities and won the game, absolutely, but they didn’t dominate Arkansas like everyone thought they would.

Because they won the SEC doesn’t mean they’re the #2 team in the country, sorry, it’s just not justified to me.

B.

What’s the fascination with domination?? So the hell what? A win is a win. The fact that no one dominated another in the SEC shows how tough the teams are, and that it’s always anyones game. There aren’t the huge teams blowing out the same shitty ones like in the other conferences. I mean, the Big 10 is Michigan and OSU. The rest are just there to be beat by those two.
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Ragoo I’d nod in agreement with you this year, but it’s just not so for basically any other year. OSU and Michigan get the press because they are who they are, but the other teams in conference are just as distinguished as they are.

Michigan went 7-5 last year with losses to Minnesota and Wisconsin included. That same year OSU lost to Penn State. So that theory doesn’t hold water.

Who’s to say how well SEC teams would do against Big 10 teams when it counts. But Michigan did get all over Vanderbilt in the Big-house 27-7, and FLA allowed 19 from Vandi in a 25-19 win. That’s about the only correlation that can be made between FLA and Michigan, and I think the nod should still go to Michigan.

Naturally I’m biased, I’m sure if I was born and raised in SEC land I’d be just as devout and happy about the FLA decision. But I’m not, so, I’m pissed about it.

Kirk Herbstreet can justify this shit all he wants, but his OSU loyalty is coming through, knowing full well that Michigan would more than likely beat OSU in the championship game.

B.

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[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
…Doesn’t surprise me. SEC has never gotten any respect. [/quote]

Please. If anything the SEC has been over rated this year.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Ragoo I’d nod in agreement with you this year, but it’s just not so for basically any other year. OSU and Michigan get the press because they are who they are, but the other teams in conference are just as distinguished as they are.

Michigan went 7-5 last year with losses to Minnesota and Wisconsin included. That same year OSU lost to Penn State. So that theory doesn’t hold water.

Who’s to say how well SEC teams would do against Big 10 teams when it counts. But Michigan did get all over Vanderbilt in the Big-house 27-7, and FLA allowed 19 from Vandi in a 25-19 win. That’s about the only correlation that can be made between FLA and Michigan, and I think the nod should still go to Michigan.

Naturally I’m biased, I’m sure if I was born and raised in SEC land I’d be just as devout and happy about the FLA decision. But I’m not, so, I’m pissed about it.

Kirk Herbstreet can justify this shit all he wants, but his OSU loyalty is coming through, knowing full well that Michigan would more than likely beat OSU in the championship game.

B.

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Well, in the case of who’s tougher between the conferences, you do need a playoff system. I’d love to see more SEC teams play Big 10 and Big 12 teams.

As for now, it really should be no.1 vs no.2 for the championship. But since there is voting done, emotions will skew this. That is why UF is facing OSU. What bothers me about this though, is that ranking is subjective, and not just based on game records. A good popular team will always be ranked higher than an unpopular team with the same record and schedule strength.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
…Doesn’t surprise me. SEC has never gotten any respect.

Please. If anything the SEC has been over rated this year.[/quote]

It’s about time. Shit, we have many ranked teams, and usually do. I’m glad the word is out that the SEC is a tough conference, and is worthy of glory just like the other conferences.

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[quote]Hook 'em wrote:

That would never work.If anything, the seeds in a playoff system would be awarded to conference champions.[/quote]

Why would it have to go to a conference champion? The college presidents can get together and make up any system they want if you think about it. If you kept it at the top 4 in the BCS playing in a rotating schedule of two New Year’s Bowls followed by the “plus one” National Championship Game a week later you would pretty much negate most controversy. I mean it would have to be really outlandish to have a 5-team controversy. I don’t think that’s ever happened.

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Look at the pros. The top 3-4 seeds are the division leaders. And no one’s complaining about that system.[/quote]

I don’t think that is a valid comparison for a bunch of reasons. The main one being there are only 16 teams in each conference and 32 teams total. Chances are most teams are playing one another. It’s not like in college football where you have controversy over two teams that don’t face each other and in many cases such as UF v. UM don’t even share common opponents. Other than perception and cold statistics there is no way to compare other than having them face off on the field.

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Michigan’s a great team, but Florida is just as deserving.[/quote]

And that’s why the system sucks. This shit should not be a “beauty” pageant - it should be settled on the field.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
…Doesn’t surprise me. SEC has never gotten any respect.

Please. If anything the SEC has been over rated this year.[/quote]

I tend to agree. Because the SEC is considered such a good, deep conference, and because teams within the conference are consistently ranked so high to start the year, there is little reason for them to play big out of conference games. I can only think of two non-conference games that would prove a test for one of the highly ranked SEC teams: Arkansas vs. USC (granted, it was the first game of the year), in which USC destroyed the Razorbacks to the tune of 50-14; the other is Tenn beating Cal 35-18, also in the first game of the year…and Cal went on to lose 23-9 to USC.

Now, I look at it this way: if in some alternate universe you have an extremely overrated conference with the 10 teams ranked 1-10 in the polls. If they beat up on each other all year but never play a legitimate non-conference game then you never see the true strength of those teams…to a small extent I think this is what we see with the SEC. I think it says alot when 1) SEC teams have consistently declined invites to play Louisville the last few seasons and 2) comparisons of similar opponents to Big East teams has shown that the Big East team regularly beats said opponent by more than their SEC counterpart.

Look at last years bowl results: West Virginia beating Georgia, Auburn losing to Wisconsin, South Carolina losing to Missouri, and a questionable call in the Florida win…hardly indicative of a dominant conference.

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[quote]BigRagoo wrote:

Doesn’t surprise me. SEC has never gotten any respect. [/quote]

What a load of bullshit. Florida is in the title game precisely because of the respect the SEC gets.

I, for one, never said that the SEC sucks - merely that they are overrated this year, and have the rep they do based on what they have done in the past.

The SEC this year had a lot of good teams, but no GREAT team.

When all is said and done - the SEC had UF, LSU, Auburn, and Tennessee in the Top 25, the Big 10 has OSU, UM, and Wisco in the Top 25 plus Minnesota (Mich W), Penn State (Mich W), Iowa (Mich W), and Purdue (Mich did not play), all of whom are going to the bowls - 7 out of 10 Big Ten teams are bowl eligible. 70% are eligible

SEC: Alabama, Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Florida - 9 out 12 teams are bowl eligible. 75% are eligible

So… again is the SEC that much better than all the other conferences? Not this year.

Therefore for Urban Meyer to say that Florida deserves to be in the title game more than Michigan for no other reason than winning the SEC this year is a crock of shit - when it has been quite clear that Michigan and OSU have been far and away the two best teams all year.

I’d be willing to bet money that most of the coaches who voted probably think Michigan is the better team, but they voted UF because of the “no rematch” mentality.

Hell, ESPN even said that Vegas put Michigan as a 6 1/2 point favorite over Florida if they met on a neutral field.

Whatever, this is a pointless argument. We can mental masturbate on this forever, but it’s not going to change anything. We’ll see how this plays out in January.

Go Big Ten!!

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I think you will find the Big 10 is the conference that is overrated. The SEC has much better teams and more of them. This year anyway.

I think both Michigan and OSU go down in bowl games.

I may be full of shit, but I’m calling it now.

Yes and Auburn torches the Huskers too!
Watch us play our 3rd installment of Marty ball.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
I think you will find the Big 10 is the conference that is overrated. The SEC has much better teams and more of them. This year anyway.

I think both Michigan and OSU go down in bowl games.

I may be full of shit, but I’m calling it now.

Yes and Auburn torches the Huskers too!
Watch us play our 3rd installment of Marty ball. [/quote]

Again, just looking at bowl results from last year the Big 10, unlike the SEC, performed well in the big games: Penn State beating Florida State (BCS game), Ohio State beating ND (BCS game), Wisconsin beating Auburn, and only the Iowa-Florida game I mentioned before (#4 Big 10 team vs. #2 SEC team, by the way) in a losing cause.

Only time will tell this season…and while it looks like I’m biased I’m merely stating fact. I like the SEC because it’s a very deep conference, resulting in a number of great games every year, but I do think it’s a little overrated.

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When are people gonna learn that college football isn’t about who deserves what. Its about money. There isn’t gonna be as much money in a rematch. So they set up a game that isn’t a rematch. There also isn’t as much money in 2 teams from the same area, that play each other all the time.
To whoever said that they should go to a playoff system, I also say that there isn’t near as much money in the playoff system as there is in a bowl system.

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The BCS is flawed period. It’s hardly a semi-playoff system. That’s bullshit where one team [Flordia] belongs to a league that plays a conference championship and another team [Michigan] doesn’t. And Michigan’s season ends two weeks earlier and they can drop twice in the standings without ever playing a game. The BCS sucks. College football needs a playoff system. But it will never happen. If you can even say that Florida is more deserving [though certainly not better] it’s only because the system is intrinsicly flawed and makes it that way.