Did you hear that he actually died of food poisoning?
Yep. 10 year old weenie.
[quote]usctrojansfan wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:
Ok,a lot of peeps are obviously very emotional (or delusional) about MJ,
So I’m just gonna keep it short and sweet now-
to date,no-one has answered my hypothetical situation where MJ is not some famous guy,he is just some dude you know-your silence speaks volumes.
I just wanna add one thing-why is it always boys? He loves children right? ALL children,he said.
But only sleeps with young boys it seems,I have not heard of any that were girls-is it less appropriate? or the same? would you think differently if they were all girls,or just as many girls as boys?
You have a SICK way of analyzing the media. You must wish you could get an opportunity to take advantage of someone like the parents did in 1993. Listen to what the other poster said, when these kids grow up they explain how their parents force them to make MONEY. [/quote]
SICK? what are you talking about?
All I said in this post was the facts-he slept with little boys,I didn’t say he butt-fucked them.I said he SLEPT with them,but NOT little girls,and I asked would you think it more weird/suspicious,or less so?
[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
So I’m just gonna keep it short and sweet now-
to date,no-one has answered my hypothetical situation where MJ is not some famous guy,he is just some dude you know-your silence speaks volumes.[/quote]
I answered this stupid fucking question (you are talking about your 14-point “what if?” scenario, right?) several pages ago, Ace.
“My Hero Ain’t Molest Them Bitch Ass Kids”
Ace, I would never let my children sleep over at a grown man’s place. That doesn’t make every man a fucking pedophile. Also, assuming he sees himself as a young kid, he would be awkward around women, and by extension girls.
[quote]anonym wrote:
That doesn’t make what was said insightful or clever. No one is claiming to be MJ’s buddy here, so questions posed as “if you had a friend…” are not valid.
Most of that shit can be dismissed by simply saying it is none of our business (#1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14). #3 and #4 have already been discussed on this forum. #6 is bad judgment, but not enough to hate a man over. He has never been “face to face” with anyone here, so #11 is moot.
No one here knows him well enough to judge him based on his character or personality, and most of us are intelligent enough to distinguish between MJ the man and MJ the musician.[/quote]
Ok,let’s see-they are valid,it’s called a hypothetical situation-if you knew MJ as he is,with the fame and money,or if he wasn’t who he was and just a buddy of yours.
Even better,if you had an uncle,say,with all this bullshit,or even HALF of it-you gonna him babysit your daughter???
It’s not our business? I’ll go with that.But when certain allegations or bullshit is flying around,he can simply say ‘No comment’ or ‘I don’t wish to talk about that right now’
instead of lying or actually making up whole new lies to his fans.
Everyone judges everyone based on the available information,from the first second of seeing or meeting someone and from then on,sometimes conciously,sometimes subconciously…
forget judgement,consider what your INSTINCTS say…
Ive never felt sad about any celebrity dieing, Just MJ, He was great and guys Little secret I dance like him at least 1once a week for as long as I can remember, ( When ever I hear any song I dont know I just start doing MJ Moves lol ) I just poped out a moonwalk going to the bathroom ( Ive mastered all his moves
Sad to know that he died.
It could have been prevented I think So, so that just makes it worse.
( He should have had better strict doctors )
*people saying his a child molester, I dont think so, He paid off some stupid family making up stories, so he wouldn’t have to deal with an OJ type series on tv news.
-If He did He wasn’t proven guily so SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Its America right - Innocent until proven guilty
– People die legends live on forever –
[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
Ok,let’s see-they are valid,it’s called a hypothetical situation-if you knew MJ as he is,with the fame and money,or if he wasn’t who he was and just a buddy of yours.
Even better,if you had an uncle,say,with all this bullshit,or even HALF of it-you gonna him babysit your daughter???
It’s not our business? I’ll go with that.But when certain allegations or bullshit is flying around,he can simply say ‘No comment’ or ‘I don’t wish to talk about that right now’
instead of lying or actually making up whole new lies to his fans.
Everyone judges everyone based on the available information,from the first second of seeing or meeting someone and from then on,sometimes conciously,sometimes subconciously…
forget judgement,consider what your INSTINCTS say…[/quote]
This was actually my response to your original hypothetical:
[quote]So you are wondering if I would feel differently if a friend lied to me versus if a stranger lied to me?
Yes, I would. But you can only make your point through changing that (extremely important) parameter. I really don’t give a shit if a stranger lies to me about trivial issues that are none of my business - he/she doesn’t owe me anything, much less answers to issues that I, personally, would be tactful enough to not harp on about in the first place (cosmetic surgery, skin coloring, financial and marital issues, etc). If a FRIEND chose to lie to me about certain things, sure I would be hurt… but I would also do my best to empathize and dig the fact that not everybody is as enthusiastic about airing their dirty laundry/personal issues as you seem to want them to be.
Blow this up to a national - no, global - scale, and use your head, man.
That’s the thing - you seem to insist upon MJ’s obligation to be truthful about his personal life to his public audience when the two are clearly separate entities. Why do you feel you have a relationship with him personal enough that it obligates him to answer any and all questions to your satisfaction?
Most of us are able to compartmentalize our thoughts and feelings between MJ the performer and MJ the man… why can’t you?[/quote]
michael called himself “the king of pop”. from that day on the media would use the term “the self-proclaimed king of pop”. now, every headline has king of pop, as if they acknowledged his influence from the beginning. whatever.
[quote]King_Me wrote:
Ive never felt sad about any celebrity dieing, Just MJ, He was great and guys Little secret I dance like him at least 1once a week for as long as I can remember, ( When ever I hear any song I dont know I just start doing MJ Moves lol ) I just poped out a moonwalk going to the bathroom ( Ive mastered all his moves
Sad to know that he died.
It could have been prevented I think So, so that just makes it worse.
( He should have had better strict doctors )
*people saying his a child molester, I dont think so, He paid off some stupid family making up stories, so he wouldn’t have to deal with an OJ type series on tv news.
-If He did He wasn’t proven guily so SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Its America right - Innocent until proven guilty
– People die legends live on forever --[/quote]
For me,the dude in your avatar is a true idol,role model and inspiration.
Bruce is the fuckin’ man.
I felt sad about his passing away so young,I felt sad at John Candy dying too.
There’s probably others too I’ve forgotten for now.
Do you guys get ‘Bo Selecta’ in the states?
It’s this tv programme with this guy who does impressions of celebrities.
Michael Jackson is one of his favourites,he does MJ in every episode.
It’s not supposed to be accurate,thats what’s so funny about it-the guy doing the impressions is white,that’s pretty accurate,but it’s more like a homage of things he is known for,
by the way,this is not meant to offend MJ fans,if you have a sense of humour you’ll probably like it,whether you’re a fan or not.Also,the guy who does all these impressions has stated categorically that he only impersonates people he is a fan of,it’s not intended to offend fans.
As the saying goes-‘Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery’ anyway,check out some clips,its funny shit-
Chris Rock on MJ-
Michael Jackson was as far from being a T-man as anyone can get. And I don’t appreciate all the modern R&B that is derived from his style of music and dance. although he was hilarious.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Billie Jean is not my lover,
She’s just girl,
That says that
I am the one
But
the kid is not my son…
eeeee heeee.[/quote]
I read this twice before it finally hit me. Well put.
He was so desperate to be white, that instead of having his own biological children, he used a white sperm donor, so he could pass some white children as his own.
[quote]NycMan wrote:
He was so desperate to be white, that instead of having his own biological children, he used a white sperm donor, so he could pass some white children as his own.
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Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps he wasn’t desperate to be white he just experienced how painful it was to be black?
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
NycMan wrote:
He was so desperate to be white, that instead of having his own biological children, he used a white sperm donor, so he could pass some white children as his own.
Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps he wasn’t desperate to be white he just experienced how painful it was to be black?
[/quote]
Of course not, he was sick and twisted and a pedophile. Don’t you trust the media?
What’s wrong with you? They never get it wrong and certainly never half ass things for a story.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
NycMan wrote:
He was so desperate to be white, that instead of having his own biological children, he used a white sperm donor, so he could pass some white children as his own.
Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps he wasn’t desperate to be white he just experienced how painful it was to be black?
[/quote]
You speak of being black as if it were a disease. There are millions of black people all over the world, including the USA, who are healthy, happy, succesful, and proud of being black. I’ve met plenty of them.
[quote]NycMan wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
NycMan wrote:
He was so desperate to be white, that instead of having his own biological children, he used a white sperm donor, so he could pass some white children as his own.
Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps he wasn’t desperate to be white he just experienced how painful it was to be black?
You speak of being black as if it were a disease. There are millions of black people all over the world, including the USA, who are healthy, happy, successful, and proud of being black. I’ve met plenty of them.
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Yes, but not as successful as him. None a revolutionary as he was. None at the peak of their career at age 12, you have to consider he was still a child and not mature enough to handle the level of success that only successful mature adults can handle.
In the 70’s the media had Donny Osmond on the cover of magazines with The Osmonds vanilla, mediocre tunes whilst Michael Jackson smashing the charts both in the USA, UK and Brazil was featured only on the back cover of the same magazine. What kind of message does that give a child of undoubtedly superior talent?
Isn’t that the same as telling a human being you can only take the seat at the back of the bus?
It is very funny how society evolves; ‘Yes, you can sit at the front of the bus with us now but we are not putting you at the front cover of a magazine’
Old habits die hard and so do old beliefs.
I tell you I had never heard of the Osmonds until last week when watching Michael Jackson history tributes on TV. I grew up in Brazil in the 70’s and 80’s Michael Jackson was a mega star and no one even knew of Donny Osmond or The Osmonds for that matter. Jackson Fives, everyone knows them in Brazil.
You measure the success of a group like that not by how big they are in the USA and UK market but by how big they are in the third world countries as well. When you make it big and have people singing your songs by people in a country that doesn’t even speak your language or have a clue as to what you are saying that has got to say something, don’t you think?
How many songs do you personally sing in Portuguese or Polish or Japanese?
I remember singing Michael Jackson songs at the age of 12 completely mumbling through my words
because I didn’t have a clue as to what he was saying as I didn’t speak English. It was the funniest most endearing sight a bunch of Brazilian kids singing and dancing to MJ’s songs not knowing how to utter one word in English. And not knowing what we were saying either.
He was that good at communicating - If MJ sang in Alien we on earth would still relate and respond to his songs.
That takes some talent. He spoke an universal language.
Show me another black person that has bridged that.
He was the first. Pioneer in bridging the gap between color, country, culture and “race”.
He didn’t want to be white he just wanted to be seen as human.
Think equity not equality.
No one is equal but we all possess intrinsic value.
[quote]NycMan wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
NycMan wrote:
He was so desperate to be white, that instead of having his own biological children, he used a white sperm donor, so he could pass some white children as his own.
Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps he wasn’t desperate to be white he just experienced how painful it was to be black?
You speak of being black as if it were a disease. There are millions of black people all over the world, including the USA, who are healthy, happy, succesful, and proud of being black. I’ve met plenty of them.
[/quote]
Another example:
The William’s sisters.
Just displayed outstanding tennis supremacy here in Wimbledon. Outstanding.
Both Serena and Venus ended up at the singles finals ensuring one Williams would claim Championship Title - for the eighth time.
On the same day they not only make to the doubles finals but also take championship title in an undisputed unchallenged manner.
It is known that their father gave them an unorthodox tennis upbringing in that they were kept away from the tennis circuit and were not exposed to many tournaments.
It is known that the children, Serena and Venus were the object of derogatory comments by the parents of other children in what constitutes one of the most elitist, white sports ( and I should know because I was being groomed to be a tennis player at the age of 12 ).
Why did Richard Williams withdrew his girls from the tennis scene and trained them in isolation?
Self-protection.
That is exactly the role of a good father - to protect his offspring and ensure survival.
He also home schooled them. That ensured the girls were shielded form subtle but none the less self-destructive attacks at their self-esteem.
The result?
The most outstandingly confident black athletes in a predominantly white, rich sport.
And they are not mixed race like Obama or Tiger Woods. They were poor, they are black as asphalt, they are also Jehova’s Witnesess. You can’t get any more underdog than that.
Do you think that these girls, talented as they are, would have survived with their stability intact had their father not taken such extreme and painstaking steps to ensure their stability and success?
Have you any idea of the work it takes to home school and coach two teenage girls?
How many fathers do you know spend as much as 3 hours a day with their children?
I take my hat of to Richard Williams.
Michael Jackson’s father did not do that.
Instead, I believe he also contributed to the destruction of his son’s self-esteem.
Another variant to consider is personality.
Some children are more resilient than others. It is also the role of the father to discern what route of exposure is best to what child. Where one child breaks when challenged others “thrive”.
Michael Jackson’s sensibility meant he needed someone else to act as an extra skin.
I am female and even at the age of five I looked less fragile than him.
I am not defending MJ but we need to take all the variables into the equation if we are going to analyze him.
The bottom line is, that you would not as a parent let your child hang around with Michael Jackson. You can up his talent to the moon and back, but if you are any good as a parent NO, you would not let it go down. That says it all. End of fucking story.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
NycMan wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
NycMan wrote:
He didn’t want to be white he just wanted to be seen as human.
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So, to be seen as human, he turned himself into a white woman. Talking about talent, etc doesn’t change the fact that he wanted to be white.
He even bought white children and tried to pass them off as his biological children.
He was a molester, and his whole persona reminded me of Liberace, with the glitter, glove, etc.
He didn’t deserve respect when he was alive, and he doesn’t deserve it now just because he is dead.