He was a legend. Had a definite impact on my life. Shame he went out on a low. His music and talent will be missed. He redefined a whole genre of music that united the world at its peak. That kind of influence comes round so rarlely. Such a sad loss, but he finally gets some peace!
R.I.P
[quote]CoreyK wrote:
No, what really makes me sad is thinking about how he was viewed by most of the world during the later part of his life.
It just doesn’t seem fair that after nearly two decades of having everything he touched turn to gold, to have so much of the world turn their back on him for many of the very same reasons they loved him in the first place.
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This is a perspective I hadn’t thought of. It sounds like you’re saying it’s sad because there’s a certain sense of INJUSTICE about his life. That this man lived his life trying to give the world his best and in the end, rather than appreciate him, the majority saw only his flaws. Perhaps adding to the tragedy, is that his life was cut short just shy of a concert tour that could have offered him some redemption.
I’ll admit that when I heard the news, I was pretty much indifferent. However, there is a certain tragic feeling to the latter part of his life and death.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
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dang.that is so sweet of you. thanks for the artistic expression, ID.
[quote]Reef wrote:
Eielson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
by some of these standards, nearly every iconic figure in pop culture is in need of an insane asylum.
I think you might be on to something.
It’s true. The only other guy who comes close to him in popularity in Pop is Prince and he’s pretty out there too. [/quote]
A lot of people know Prince but SUBSTANTIALLY more people knew Michael Jackson. Prince was never parodied and covered to the degree that Jackson was.
I’m just now accepting the fact that he’s gone. It always takes a few days for me, but I am now recalling the first time I saw each of his famous videos. Crazy.
I remember I was in Iran in '92 and my uncle had a videotape of “Jam.” I watched that on the other side of the fucking world for the first time. I kept rewinding and replaying the video. It was fucking Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson in the same scene.
[quote]DickBag wrote:
Professor X wrote:
However, it does seem like more than ever respect of any kind if just lacking lately. You now get to make jokes about people THE SAME DAY they die and then act like that is OK.
what? lately?
this place has always been full of spoiled bitches. the amount of foul stuff said on this forum has made me try to deactivate my account many times. the only reason i didnt was because i cant access my old college email account.
i wish some of the proper posters with actual character would only post. people on this site seem to care more about their dog’s than they do about other people, or should i say “brothers of iron”. None of the asshole unneccesary crap said online here is EVER said in proper gyms. EVER.
ever. thats because anyone worth talking to in real life has a bit more class.[/quote]
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Also, a psychologist did actually confirm that his mental state was that of a regressed 10 year old. He also didn’t fit the profile of a pedophile.
Uh oh, this cannot be good, from news.com.au
MICHAEL Jackson’s death has reportedly led at least a dozen people to kill themselves worldwide while Australians seek help from a suicide prevention hotline. Some callers to Lifeline Australia, which speaks to about 50 suicidal people each day, have told counsellors that Jackson’s death on Friday had left them distressed.
London man Gary Taylor, who owns the biggest Michael Jackson online fan club, said he was aware of about 12 suicides following the performer’s death, Sky News UK reports.
“It is a serious situation that these people are going through but Michael Jackson would never want this,” Mr Taylor said.
“He would want them to live.”
Lifeline CEO Dawn O’Neil said that while there has not been ‘a dramatic increase’ in calls to counsellors since Friday, people have spoken about how Jackson’s death has affected them.
“We have had some calls related to this,” Ms Oâ??Neil said.
“In some cases, (a celebrity’s death) can be very distressing.”
The calls came as a friend to the famous family, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, urged fans not to “self-destruct”.
“This is a time when hearts are heavy,” Jackson said. "There is great pain but great cause to celebrate Michael’s life.
“It made Michael happy saying ‘We Are The World’. Don’t self destruct.”
Ms O’Neil said it was important for people to discuss how they feel in times of death.
“With any loss or death, everyone grieves in their own way,” she said.
“Find someone to talk toâ?¦ it certainly is important to talk to someone.”
She said speaking to friends, family, counsellors or their doctor could help people in grief.
Well, he’s all over the charts and radio now:
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/-1003988631.story
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/-1003988818.story
I was not going to post on this thread but after reading some of the horrendous comments I felt that I had to.
Those who are calling Jackson a pedophile do not have all(or perhaps any) of the facts. They saw the headlines and like good little sheep they nodded in agreement and went on there merry way. Well I’ve read in detail about both cases in which there were either allegations or actual criminal charges and from what I’ve read I have found absolutely nothing which would cause me to believe that Michael Jackson molested any children. however, I did find two guilty parties.
Was the man eccentric? Certainly, and in fact to a fault. He never had a childhood as he was busy performing. Consequently he never had the opportunity to do some of the things that boys get to do, hang out with friends, get into a little mischief etc. Jackson acted out in this way with the boys that he invited to his home. Did it look suspicious? It certainly did. But the motivating factor for Jackson was not sex, but companionship. He was looking for a way to act out just as a child might.
Finally, those of you who have not lived long enough might be more inclined to believe every word that comes from a prosecutors mouth. I’ve found that while most prosecutors are well intended there are some who seek headlines. They do this to build up their name in order to run for higher office or for some other reason. The best way for a sitting DA or any prosecutor to make a name for him or herself is to bring down a big name, like Michael Jackson.
For example in the 1993 case the prosecutors office of LA county interviewed almost 30 boys in order to try to bring forth more information against Jackson. The DA’s office figured that there had to be a long list of boys that were molested because at the time he was accused of molesting only one particular boy. Upon being interviewed privately each boy stated that Jackson never touched them in an inappropriate manner. They also stated that Jackson was very kind to them and that sex was never discussed in any way. Was this reported in the press? No, the press was too busy trying to make a story out of nothing. The original boy in question was lying about Jackson. He was prompted to do this by his father who was attempting to extort money from the Jackson family, which unfortunately eventually worked.
I won’t go into any more details this post is already too long, but the real guilty parties are the LA County DA’s office with their single minded obsession to prosecute Jackson and of course the other guilty party is the press for never really telling the complete truth.
To the posters who still think that Jackson is a child molester spend an hour or two and read about both case’s you might find that with the illumination of facts not only will Michael Jackson not look like a pedophile, but in fact look like the very brave man that he was. One who had to live the last 16 years of his life under a cloud of shame that he did not deserve!
The world is a better place because Michael Jackson lived. May he rest in peace.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I was not going to post on this thread but after reading some of the horrendous comments I felt that I had to.
Those who are calling Jackson a pedophile do not have all(or perhaps any) of the facts. They saw the headlines and like good little sheep they nodded in agreement and went on there merry way. Well I’ve read in detail about both cases in which there were either allegations or actual criminal charges and from what I’ve read I have found absolutely nothing which would cause me to believe that Michael Jackson molested any children. however, I did find two guilty parties.
Was the man eccentric? Certainly, and in fact to a fault. He never had a childhood as he was busy performing. Consequently he never had the opportunity to do some of the things that boys get to do, hang out with friends, get into a little mischief etc. Jackson acted out in this way with the boys that he invited to his home. Did it look suspicious? It certainly did. But the motivating factor for Jackson was not sex, but companionship. He was looking for a way to act out just as a child might.
Finally, those of you who have not lived long enough might be more inclined to believe every word that comes from a prosecutors mouth. I’ve found that while most prosecutors are well intended there are some who seek headlines. They do this to build up their name in order to run for higher office or for some other reason. The best way for a sitting DA or any prosecutor to make a name for him or herself is to bring down a big name, like Michael Jackson.
For example in the 1993 case the prosecutors office of LA county interviewed almost 30 boys in order to try to bring forth more information against Jackson. The DA’s office figured that there had to be a long list of boys that were molested because at the time he was accused of molesting only one particular boy. Upon being interviewed privately each boy stated that Jackson never touched them in an inappropriate manner. They also stated that Jackson was very kind to them and that sex was never discussed in any way. Was this reported in the press? No, the press was too busy trying to make a story out of nothing. The original boy in question was lying about Jackson. He was prompted to do this by his father who was attempting to extort money from the Jackson family, which unfortunately eventually worked.
I won’t go into any more details this post is already too long, but the real guilty parties are the LA County DA’s office with their single minded obsession to prosecute Jackson and of course the other guilty party is the press for never really telling the complete truth.
To the posters who still think that Jackson is a child molester spend an hour or two and read about both case’s you might find that with the illumination of facts not only will Michael Jackson not look like a pedophile, but in fact look like the very brave man that he was. One who had to live the last 16 years of his life under a cloud of shame that he did not deserve!
The world is a better place because Michael Jackson lived. May he rest in peace.[/quote]
First, I’m glad to see you post again.
Second, I think you will find that the people that quick to say he “diddled little children” are also many of the same ones with one liners on every thread but never actually say anything of substance.
It is easy to tell jokes and tote the party line. Thinking shit through and being critical doesn’t seem to come as a package deal.
Mike always acted like a big kid. He also took his plastic surgery way too far. However, neither of these mean he deserved to be spit on like he was for nearly 20 years simply because some people love to see famous people fall.
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain”
-Harvey Dent
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
CoreyK wrote:
No, what really makes me sad is thinking about how he was viewed by most of the world during the later part of his life.
It just doesn’t seem fair that after nearly two decades of having everything he touched turn to gold, to have so much of the world turn their back on him for many of the very same reasons they loved him in the first place.
This is a perspective I hadn’t thought of. It sounds like you’re saying it’s sad because there’s a certain sense of INJUSTICE about his life. [/quote]
In a lot of ways, I think the way he was viewed by the world during the latter part of his life was nothing but injustice.
People loved his childlike qualities and his innocence through the 80’s, but over the last decade or two they found those same qualities creepy and strange. The same can be said about his love for children, his eccentricities, his imagination, etc.
And other than his appearance, what really changed?
It’s almost like when people liked how he looked, they liked how he was; yet when they didn’t like how he looked, they didn’t like who he was. I’m sure that’s an oversimplification, but it’s hard not to notice the trend.
I have no doubt that he wanted to be known as someone who loved children, and instead many will think of him as someone who molested them.
Never mind the FACTS over DECADES about him HELPING children; no, one or two accusations, that never ended up even holding any water, will be his legacy for some.
THAT is the real injustice to me.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I was not going to post on this thread but after reading some of the horrendous comments I felt that I had to.
Those who are calling Jackson a pedophile do not have all(or perhaps any) of the facts. They saw the headlines and like good little sheep they nodded in agreement and went on there merry way. Well I’ve read in detail about both cases in which there were either allegations or actual criminal charges and from what I’ve read I have found absolutely nothing which would cause me to believe that Michael Jackson molested any children. however, I did find two guilty parties.
Was the man eccentric? Certainly, and in fact to a fault. He never had a childhood as he was busy performing. Consequently he never had the opportunity to do some of the things that boys get to do, hang out with friends, get into a little mischief etc. Jackson acted out in this way with the boys that he invited to his home. Did it look suspicious? It certainly did. But the motivating factor for Jackson was not sex, but companionship. He was looking for a way to act out just as a child might.
Finally, those of you who have not lived long enough might be more inclined to believe every word that comes from a prosecutors mouth. I’ve found that while most prosecutors are well intended there are some who seek headlines. They do this to build up their name in order to run for higher office or for some other reason. The best way for a sitting DA or any prosecutor to make a name for him or herself is to bring down a big name, like Michael Jackson.
For example in the 1993 case the prosecutors office of LA county interviewed almost 30 boys in order to try to bring forth more information against Jackson. The DA’s office figured that there had to be a long list of boys that were molested because at the time he was accused of molesting only one particular boy. Upon being interviewed privately each boy stated that Jackson never touched them in an inappropriate manner. They also stated that Jackson was very kind to them and that sex was never discussed in any way. Was this reported in the press? No, the press was too busy trying to make a story out of nothing. The original boy in question was lying about Jackson. He was prompted to do this by his father who was attempting to extort money from the Jackson family, which unfortunately eventually worked.
I won’t go into any more details this post is already too long, but the real guilty parties are the LA County DA’s office with their single minded obsession to prosecute Jackson and of course the other guilty party is the press for never really telling the complete truth.
To the posters who still think that Jackson is a child molester spend an hour or two and read about both case’s you might find that with the illumination of facts not only will Michael Jackson not look like a pedophile, but in fact look like the very brave man that he was. One who had to live the last 16 years of his life under a cloud of shame that he did not deserve!
The world is a better place because Michael Jackson lived. May he rest in peace.
First, I’m glad to see you post again.
Second, I think you will find that the people that quick to say he “diddled little children” are also many of the same ones with one liners on every thread but never actually say anything of substance.
It is easy to tell jokes and tote the party line. Thinking shit through and being critical doesn’t seem to come as a package deal.
Mike always acted like a big kid. He also took his plastic surgery way too far. However, neither of these mean he deserved to be spit on like he was for nearly 20 years simply because some people love to see famous people fall.
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain”
-Harvey Dent[/quote]
I think this might be about the second or third time we’ve actually agreed on something. One thing I will say about you though, you always come ready for a fight armed with facts and not afraid to state your opinion. I can’t say such things about the sub humans who have tried to taint Jacksons reputation with drive by style postings. It’s just wrong.
I feel very strongly about this from several different perspectives. The wrong done Jackson was horrific:
For 16 years the press demonized this man for fun and profit when they actually had access to the facts.
A DA’s office which ran amuck in my opinion, out to vilify someone because of their status and no doubt certain personal gain.
many people acting like sheep and gobbling up the nonsense without checking the facts- As you so aptly put it: “Thinking shit through and being critical doesn’t seem to come as a package deal.”
Finally the hypocrisy in the aftermath. The press writing these glowing stories about this great talent gone forever. It makes me sick to my stomach.
Anyway, take care my friend.
Zeb
I heard on the radio this morning, from LA that the 1993 molestation charges against MJ were trumped up. The Child, now an adult has come forward and stated that he was not molested and that his father forced him to say those things. I have not yet been able to confirm this, but it is what I always suspected. I feel the same about the second accusations as well. I also believe it was those two accusations that started MJ’s down ward spiral in physical health. Knowing who MJ was and how he cared for children I can see how such statements would crush his soul.
I will remember MJ as the awesome person he was, and be saddened that he was stolen from us by greedy people. RIP MJ.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
<<< Well I’ve read in detail about both cases in which there were either allegations or actual criminal charges and from what I’ve read I have found absolutely nothing which would cause me to believe that Michael Jackson molested any children. >>>[/quote]
I wasn’t much of a fan, but my wife loved him and didn’t know what to think. My reading brought me to pretty much the same conclusion, as I’ve said in this thread. I think he just wanted “playmates” his own mental age so to speak.
Most of the time I would be revolted by somebody like he had become about whom the less I heard the better, but for some reason in his case I found myself always hoping he’d find a little stability and contentment somewhere. I was sorry to hear that he’d died apparently not having done so.
If he wasn’t a hugely popular artist he wouldn’t even me MJ. He would be Michael, the bus drivin’ child molester. (Hat tip to Chris Rock)
Give me a fuckin’ break.
And I DID grow up when he was black with an afro, on MTV, etc. He could whistle Dixie out his asshole for all I care. His talent was overblown, he wasn’t a “genius”, and NONE of you who GENUINELY give a shit about your kids would let your kids spend the night at Neverland Ranch.
Cult of fucking personality, indeed.
Demo Dick
[quote]Demo Dick wrote:
If he wasn’t a hugely popular artist he wouldn’t even me MJ. He would be Michael, the bus drivin’ child molester. (Hat tip to Chris Rock)
Give me a fuckin’ break.
And I DID grow up when he was black with an afro, on MTV, etc. He could whistle Dixie out his asshole for all I care. His talent was overblown, he wasn’t a “genius”, and NONE of you who GENUINELY give a shit about your kids would let your kids spend the night at Neverland Ranch.
Cult of fucking personality, indeed.
Demo Dick[/quote]
HELL YEA, THE FUCKING FREAK FINALLY GOT WHAT HE DESERVED. ANYBODY THAT DOES THAT TO KIDS DESERVES SOMETHING BIG AND SHARP STICK UP THEIR ASS. HE DIDNT GET IT, BUT AT LEAST HE FINALLY GOT SOMETHING!
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/archive/1994/01/orth199401
An absolutely riveting and chilling investigative piece on the first Michael Jackson molestation accusation written by Maureen Orth (who some of you may know as the widow of Tim Russert). Originally published in 1994 in Vanity Fair Magazine.
Form your own opinions.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I really could care less. The guy was a weirdo child molester. Hope he rots in hell.[/quote]
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Straight up I’ll miss the guy…
and for the haters, name one Halloween where you didnt hear thriller?? Hell, you can play any mike song and anyone who is over the age of 20 or so will know atleast the majority of the words…
The guy is a music icon who did more for pop and music videos then ANYONE else… PERIOD…
Ok,a lot of peeps are obviously very emotional (or delusional) about MJ,
So I’m just gonna keep it short and sweet now-
to date,no-one has answered my hypothetical situation where MJ is not some famous guy,he is just some dude you know-your silence speaks volumes.
I just wanna add one thing-why is it always boys? He loves children right? ALL children,he said.
But only sleeps with young boys it seems,I have not heard of any that were girls-is it less appropriate? or the same? would you think differently if they were all girls,or just as many girls as boys?
There is talk of having a memorial service here at the LA Coliseum, mixed feelings about it here. Some people are for it, while others are bitching about why spend money when the state is already broke blah blah blah. Should be interesting to see what happens.