Michael J. Fox is a Faker

[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
“He is exaggerating the effects of the disease,” Limbaugh told listeners. “He’s moving all around and shaking and it’s purely an act…This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn’t take his medication or he’s acting.”

Is Rush strung out again?

Thats so evil its frightening. Why would you say something like that? Does Limbaugh have Parkinsons??? He has no clue what its like to have a debilitating disease like that. Ass.
Tells you something about what kind of people are being elected.
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Psst, no one elected Rush to anything.

[quote]vroom wrote:
He’s only had parkinson’s for decades… can’t imagine why it might be possible for him to show symptoms by now.

Shit, even if he did avoid getting all drugged up so he could do the commercial shoot, you are still looking at a person actually afflicted by disease. WTF?

I think maybe it’s time to rethink the attack dog strategy.[/quote]

Once again you are not thinking. Fox has appeared on numerous TV shows as a guest star having his symptoms quite under control. Not complete control, but no where near how he appears in the political ads.

Rush was correct in his analysis. He said that Fox was being used and either didn’t take his meds or was acting (not faking – since everyone knows that Fox DOES have this terrible disease).

The bottom line is that abortion is the Holy Grail of the liberal agenda and stem cell research is just another way of the libs getting all of us who strongly oppose killing the unborn among us to pay for it.

Rush is correct. You are wrong.

Period.

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

Rush is a jackass. I are an idiot.

Pereud.[/quote]

Once again, you are correct.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Response:

Diagnosed with asthma beyond age 12 is disqualifying, regardless of whether or not you use an inhaler. And yes they can check your medical records if something makes them suspicious, like an asmatha attack at boot camp. This would lead to a discharge for fraudulent enlistment.

I really don’t see, Harris, why you keep bringing this up. Let this sink in: I COULDN’T JOIN. I was refused. You have a stick in your ass (along with your head) about this.
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Wow. You really are a pussy if you’ve equated the chance of being discharged if caught with the act of being refused. Is that how you rationalize it?

Anyone who WANTS in at least waits to be caught. No more saying you tried but were refused…

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I actually saw the show a long time ago where he said he DELIBERATELY didn’t take his meds, to show people what Parkinson’s is like. He didn’t take his meds now SO HIS POLITICS COULD BE SERVED. That’s exactly what Rush said. Quit letting your hate of rationality blind you.[/quote]

As I said in my original post, the fact he can control the disease to some degree, doesn’t mean he can’t show us what effect the disease has. His neurological troubles are present whether or not he takes his medicine.

If we invent better drugs tomorrow, but he doesn’t use the absolute best drugs available, is that also serving politics. You have to separate the fact that he had a political message he wanted to make from the fact he has a disease.

I do understand they are related, but it isn’t an evil thing to show what you are afflicted by and then to state that this affliction is the motivation behind your desire to see more result of a type that just might be able to help you.

This would be like criticizing Reeves if he choose not to use some fancy new exoskeleten system to move his body for him, to make a commercial about stem cell research. He doesn’t want an exoskeleton he wants his fucking body back. Fox doesn’t want a boatload of drugs to hide his fucking neurological issues form sight, he wants his fucking body back.

Heck, if you wanted to a wheeze a bit and hold a press conference for stem cell research because it could help sufferers of asthma, you knock yourself out there big guy.

Holy shit, it’s what he fucking has. You can’t criticize the guy for allowing his illness to manifest, not unless he purposely embellished it (which means faking it, not allowing it to manifest).

Get past your personal politics and look at the humanity of the issue… you rationalizing self-deluding old fool.

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
The bottom line is that abortion is the Holy Grail of the liberal agenda and stem cell research is just another way of the libs getting all of us who strongly oppose killing the unborn among us to pay for it.
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OMG, you are a fucking looney tune.

Reeves was really hoping for abortion, he didn’t really hope that stem cell research might lead to nerve regrowth, right?

Fox is really hoping to promote abortion, he doesn’t really hope that some day stem cell research could cure him or others that have his affliction, right?

How fucking sick do you have to be to not understand the fact that these people have real personal human motivations here.

They see the election of democrats as a real step in getting money into research that they want to happen before they get old and die of their disease.

You flakes are laughable, honestly.

While you may not want the democrats to hold power, for whatever bullshit reasons that have been concocted for you to believe, but you have separate your hatred of all things democrat from those that have their own reasons to support them.

[quote]vroom wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
The bottom line is that abortion is the Holy Grail of the liberal agenda and stem cell research is just another way of the libs getting all of us who strongly oppose killing the unborn among us to pay for it.

OMG, you are a fucking looney tune.

Reeves was really hoping for abortion, he didn’t really hope that stem cell research might lead to nerve regrowth, right?

Fox is really hoping to promote abortion, he doesn’t really hope that some day stem cell research could cure him or others that have his affliction, right?

How fucking sick do you have to be to not understand the fact that these people have real personal human motivations here.

They see the election of democrats as a real step in getting money into research that they want to happen before they get old and die of their disease.

You flakes are laughable, honestly.

While you may not want the democrats to hold power, for whatever bullshit reasons that have been concocted for you to believe, but you have separate your hatred of all things democrat from those that have their own reasons to support them.[/quote]

I never said that Fox doesn’t have a real human need. I never said that Fox’s purpose is to promote abortion.

What I did say is that the Liberal Agenda’s “Holy Grail” is abortion and stem cell research IS a way to get all of us to pay for it. In other words it seems to “legitamize” abortion since, well, who wouldn’t want people like ‘poor Michael J. Fox’ to be cured?

The answer is that while I would like to see the suffering of people alleviated, I cannot condone doing so while destroying human life.

You need to think about the big picture and wake up for once in your life.

http://www.lp.org/lpnews/article_861.shtml

J. Daniel Cloud
LP News Editor Jul 1, 2005

Stop federal funding for stem cell research

Chances are you’ve heard of stem cells. They’re widely lauded as the possible building blocks for a cure for all that ails you.

And the evidence supports the claims ? or at least some of them. Thousands of people have benefited from the use of stem cell treatment for a host of different diseases.

But it’s the diseases that stem cell research has not yet found treatments for that are most interesting to many people.

Former President Ronald Reagan’s son, Ron, advocates stem cell research to find a cure for Alzheimer’s disease; before his death, actor Christopher Reeve called for stem cell research to find cures for spinal cord injuries and related problems; others say stem cell research could result in cures for heart disease, Parkinson’s disease, muscular dystrophy and diabetes.

Type “stem cell research” into Google, and “about 15 million” results pop up.

Scrolling through the results, the alert searcher will note a few major subcategories. There are Web sites sponsored by religious groups opposing stem cell research using embryos.

There are sites expounding on the benefits of such research. There are published studies regarding stem cell research done by privately funded scientists. And there are a host of sites that complain about President George W. Bush’s ban on embryonic stem cell research.

Banned research

Picking a site almost at random ? bioethics.org.nz, a publication from New Zealand ? I scrolled down the page to see what they said about American stem cell research.

There it was: “Privately funded stem cell research is permissible, but the federal ban has stifled stem cell research in the U.S.”

Correction: There is no ban on research on either embryonic stem cells or adult stem cells. No matter how disgustedly people talk about such a ban, it still doesn’t exist. What Bush did, in 2001, was prohibit the use of federal funds for embryonic stem cell research.

Former President Bill Clinton had earlier said such research was allowable as long as the cells weren’t actually harvested at federally funded laboratories. So they could be harvested elsewhere and simply delivered to the lab in question.

And everybody had a good chuckle about circumventing that particular prohibition.

Bush said federal funds could only be used for research on stem cells from embryos that were destroyed before his Aug. 9, 2001 pronouncement.

As Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute wrote in a 2004 column for Investor’s Business Daily, “This is not a debate about whether stem cell research should be legal. It is, and no one in Congress or the Bush administration has proposed banning it.”

Embryonic stem cells

Those who do want to ban certain types of stem cell research oppose research on stem cells derived from embryos.

Stem cells are, to put it quite simply, a type of cell that can divide and become many different kinds of cells. Rather than having a dedicated purpose ? like skin, blood or brain cells ? stem cells can divide off and become almost any kind of cells that are needed in the body at the moment.

There are two major kinds of stem cell research: adults and embryotic. Adult stem cells usually come from the bone marrow of the patient or a donor, and embryonic stem cells are harvested from human embryos that are usually less than a week old.

The debate regarding embryonic stem cells comes from people who oppose abortion ? who argue that growing a fetus and killing it just so scientists can harvest the stem cells is murder, just like abortion is. That’s why Bush decided to disallow using federal tax money to fund research on such stem cells: His conservative voter base demanded it.

His decision is even now being called into question: A bill that has already passed through the U.S. House and is in consideration by the Senate would ease the restrictions Bush put on embryonic stem cell research using federal funds in 2001.

The bill, the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, would allow federal money to be used for embryonic stem cell research under restricted circumstances: The cells must have been “derived from human embryos that have been donated from in vitro fertilization clinics, were created for the purposes of fertility treatment, and were in excess of the clinical need of the individuals seeking such treatment.”

Further, the bill requires that the people who had the embryos created for fertility treatment must donate the embryos with written consent, and without receiving compensation for the embryos.

In 2003, Slate.com editor Michael Kinsley noted that he found it strange and indefensible that anti-abortionists can celebrate the creation of embryos at in vitro fertilization clinics, which throw away thousands of embryos each year, while simultaneously opposing the creation of an embryo for research.

Apparently anti-abortion activists ? and the members of Congress who support funding for research using only embryos that are produced in fertility clinics ? haven’t considered the issue in that light.

Adult vs. embryonic

Proponents of embryonic stem cell research claim there is much more potential in embryonic stem cells than in adult stem cells; opponents say this is science fiction, unproven theory. They claim the use of embryonic stem cells is dangerous and a bad gamble.

“No currently approved treatments have been obtained using embryonic stem cells,” said Dr. Kelly Hollowell, a molecular and cellular pharmacologist, during a May 10, 2005, event at the Heritage Foundation. “After 20 years of research, embryonic stem cells haven’t been used to treat people because the cells are unproven and unsafe. [In animal tests] they tend to tumors, cause transplant rejection, and form the wrong kind of cells.”

Other scientists concur, saying that embryonic stem cell research has produced malignant carcinomas and other serious problems in test animals.

But the research continues, and that’s the point of research: To see if there’s a way to overcome the difficulties and develop a product that is valuable both in terms of lives saved and in monetary benefit. Too many people expect immediate results, and too many stem cell research advocates pretend a cure for Alzheimer’s is right around the corner.

William Haseltine, CEO of Human Genome Sciences Inc., has said that the routine use of embryonic stem cells for medical treatment is 20 or 30 years away ? that “the timeline to commercialization is so long that I simply would not invest” in it.

But other people are investing in it, and they’re doing so without taxpayer money.

Constitutionality

As noted, stem cell research ? whether adult or embryonic ? is not against the law. It’s not even discouraged.

President Bush didn’t bar scientists from performing such research; he simply said embryonic stem cell research wasn’t to be done with federal funds.

In doing so, he got it partially right, but for the wrong reasons. He wanted to ensure his voters that their tax money wouldn’t be used to pay for what they consider to be abortion. They oppose the harvesting of embryonic stem cells as immoral, and don’t want their money spent on it.

And there’s nothing wrong with that.

But there are many more reasons not to pay for any form of stem cell research with federal taxpayer money.

In a 2001 column, radio talk show host Larry Elder pointed out that while Bush strove to keep from “crossing a fundamental moral line” by using tax money to destroy human embryos, the president apparently had no problem crossing “a fundamental constitutional line,” since the federal government doesn’t have a constitutional right to pay for such research.

Why is the president willing to overstep his bounds?

“Bush’s willingness to spend ? taxpayers’ money for stem cell research reflects a statist, collectivist view of government” ? the assumption that the federal government can use tax money for whatever it chooses.

He’s right, of course, but Bush’s love of Big Government shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone, nor should his tendency to make the most of any opportunity to court voters.

Funding

Cato’s Michael Tanner points out that the stem cell research issue “is really a fight about money, about whether the federal government should fund the research. And as such, it is a perfect example of how science becomes politicized when government money is involved.”

As noted earlier, many people are under the impression that embryonic stem cell research is banned in the United States, simply because the government doesn’t currently pay for such research. They seem to think that no research gets done unless the government sponsors it.

They’re wrong.

There are several privately funded stem cell research centers across the country, mostly at universities.

“The largest, at Harvard University, employs more than 100 researchers and recently unveiled 17 new stem cell lines,” Tanner said in his 2004 column for Investor’s Business Daily. “The vast majority of medical and scientific breakthroughs in this country’s history have been accomplished by the private sector. There’s no reason for stem cell research to be any different.”

While some business owners think practical medical benefits from embryonic stem cell research are too far in the future to bother investing in currently, many others disagree and are funding the research.

And that research will continue, with or without government funding. “There are some practical reasons for the government to keep its red-tape encrusted mitts off embryonic stem cell research,” Drs. Michael A. Glueck and Robert J. Cihak wrote in a 2001 article in Health Care News, published by the Heartland Institute.

“Government-funded research is subject to the winds of political change and establishment thinking; cutting-edge ideas have a more difficult time getting money than do older and safer ideas,” they said. “At the same time, trillions of taxpayers’ dollars have simply disappeared, without a trace, down bureaucratic and research rat holes.”

On Election Day, 2004, California voters approved a $3 billion bond issue for stem cell research ? “the largest bond issue ever authorized by a voter initiative,” according to Patrick Basham of the Cato Institute.

And many other states worry that they will experience “brain drain” as scientists move to California to work in research labs there, if tax-funded stem cell research doesn’t begin in their own states. What about the privately funded research being done at labs in Wisconsin and Illinois, at Harvard and Stanford, and many other places? Obviously, not all of the brains are being drained into California’s tax-funded research.

Conclusion

Bush was on the right track when he decided not to allow federal tax money to fund embryonic stem cell research. He told his favored group of Americans, in essence, that they didn’t have to fund a type of research that they find repugnant.

But what about those Americans who find the congressional and presidential departure from their constitutional delegated powers to be equally repugnant?

Rather than expanding the research that can be done using federal funds, Congress should eliminate federal funding for such research altogether. Those who clamor for expanded stem cell research would be welcome to fund it privately.

You think that won’t happen?

Tell your concerns to the thriving, active research laboratories that have sprung up in recent years to address the perceived need.

No matter which camp you fit into ? the “embryonic stem cell research is abortion, and therefore, murder” side or the “stem cell research will revolutionize medicine, providing cures for maladies up to and including death” faction ? or even if you don’t particularly care about stem cell research, under a free-market system you have the right to support any project you believe will forward your personal goals.

Currently, however, we’re all paying federal taxes to support stem cell research, whether we like it or not.

And it’s time to put an end to it.

  • Published in the July 2005 issue of LP News -

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
You need to think about the big picture and wake up for once in your life.
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That’s pretty rich coming from an imbecile such as yourself.

Steveo, you can have one without the other (stem cells without abortions), and there’s no good reason not to do so if it will help cure disease and suffering for millions.

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
vroom wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
The bottom line is that abortion is the Holy Grail of the liberal agenda and stem cell research is just another way of the libs getting all of us who strongly oppose killing the unborn among us to pay for it.

OMG, you are a fucking looney tune.

Reeves was really hoping for abortion, he didn’t really hope that stem cell research might lead to nerve regrowth, right?

Fox is really hoping to promote abortion, he doesn’t really hope that some day stem cell research could cure him or others that have his affliction, right?

How fucking sick do you have to be to not understand the fact that these people have real personal human motivations here.

They see the election of democrats as a real step in getting money into research that they want to happen before they get old and die of their disease.

You flakes are laughable, honestly.

While you may not want the democrats to hold power, for whatever bullshit reasons that have been concocted for you to believe, but you have separate your hatred of all things democrat from those that have their own reasons to support them.

I never said that Fox doesn’t have a real human need. I never said that Fox’s purpose is to promote abortion.

What I did say is that the Liberal Agenda’s “Holy Grail” is abortion and stem cell research IS a way to get all of us to pay for it. In other words it seems to “legitamize” abortion since, well, who wouldn’t want people like ‘poor Michael J. Fox’ to be cured?

The answer is that while I would like to see the suffering of people alleviated, I cannot condone doing so while destroying human life.

You need to think about the big picture and wake up for once in your life.
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The big picture:

Flush’em or use’em.
Obvious choice: use them to potentially help actual human beings.
Your choice factually condones suffering and destruction, which is impossible to square with your faith.

[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:

Look at the balance of what corporations do!

Yes, let’s take a look. They employ millions of people who support our economy. Pay billions in taxes, and supply us with the latest gadgets, toys, clothing, cares, inventions etc.

Feel like a retard yet?

You need to get out from your parents basement more often.

I reiterate, bye dip shit.

Oh I see. If corporations didn’t exsist we would all die of starvation and human beings would cease to exsist.

Sorry, my bad!

Read what I posted again very carefully. Don’t go off on a tangent. In a free market system, like the one we have, someone will step up to the plate in order to fill the needs of the consumers.

It doesn’t matter if it’s GM making cars or “Tom’s Car Gallery.” Right?

Does a company suddenly become evil when they get to a certain size? Or are all those who sell goods and services to the public evil?

Your argument is illogical.

As long as there is a need for a product someone will start a corporation and prosper from filling that need.

And that alone does not make anyone evil.

Now run along your lesson is over for today.

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We don’t have a free market system the way you expound. We have state sponsored capitalism.

And again what would happen if we didn’t have corporations?

Corporations by law are evil. They are to put profits before anything else - no matter! Is this endless greed something to defend?

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

what would happen if we didn’t have corporations?[/quote]

Someone will always be selling goods and services. Thus, you will always have corporations.

Hah hahahaha LMAO!

You are um, stupid, How’s that?

You focus on the profits. You resent business profits. Why? I have no idea. But, it could be that you are a kid who never made any money and are full of resentment for those who have. I could be wrong on that. Not every wacky left wing lunatic is a kid who has never made any money, but there are plenty of them.

What you need to think about is all the good that corporations have done for society as I posted earlier.

Now get off that computer that was made by Dell, HP or one of the other evil corporations.

You’re contributing to all of this um evilness.

Ha ha you are truly an uninformed individual.

Michael J. Fox is a public figure, sure. Public figures deserve to be scrutinzed when they speak out on issues or take a certain stance. But this guy has a terrible disease. He wants to find a cure. I would have liked to have seen Limbuaugh just keep it zipped on this. I don’t see where an attack on this guy personally was warranted. It was in bad taste.

I listened to some of the sound bites and I think Limbaugh blurts shit out and once they are out there, he has to take them to the hilt. It’s his schtick. He’s not going to say he was wrong. He’s going to defend it or change his angle. Anything but say he was wrong or that he’s sorry.

Fox has handled the whole thing with class. My heart goes out to the guy.

I’m a conservative and I find Limbuaugh to be classless and, while informed, not particularly bright.

Just because he knows more than you doesn’t mean he’s smarter than you folks.

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Michael J. Fox is a public figure, sure. Public figures deserve to be scrutinzed when they speak out on issues or take a certain stance. But this guy has a terrible disease. He wants to find a cure. I would have liked to have seen Limbuaugh just keep it zipped on this. I don’t see where an attack on this guy personally was warranted. It was in bad taste.

I listened to some of the sound bites and I think Limbaugh blurts shit out and once they are out there, he has to take them to the hilt. It’s his schtick. He’s not going to say he was wrong. He’s going to defend it or change his angle. Anything but say he was wrong or that he’s sorry.

Fox has handled the whole thing with class. My heart goes out to the guy.

I’m a conservative and I find Limbuaugh to be classless and, while informed, not particularly bright.

Just because he knows more than you doesn’t mean he’s smarter than you folks. [/quote]

Well said Hack.

Rush’s only purpose to to put doubt into his listeners minds so that they vote the way he and his talking points want them to vote.

Same S happens on Air America Radio.

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Michael J. Fox is a public figure, sure. Public figures deserve to be scrutinzed when they speak out on issues or take a certain stance. But this guy has a terrible disease. He wants to find a cure. I would have liked to have seen Limbuaugh just keep it zipped on this. I don’t see where an attack on this guy personally was warranted. It was in bad taste.

I listened to some of the sound bites and I think Limbaugh blurts shit out and once they are out there, he has to take them to the hilt. It’s his schtick. He’s not going to say he was wrong. He’s going to defend it or change his angle. Anything but say he was wrong or that he’s sorry.

Fox has handled the whole thing with class. My heart goes out to the guy.

I’m a conservative and I find Limbuaugh to be classless and, while informed, not particularly bright.

Just because he knows more than you doesn’t mean he’s smarter than you folks. [/quote]

Great post. I really don’t see a problem with what Michael is doing. He believes, like many scientists do, that stem cell research has the best chance of offering a cure, and he is making an effort to see that it happens.

If you have problems with Michael doing that, I assume you had problems with Christopher Reeves after his paralysis?

Here’s a commercial:

MICHAEL J. FOX, ACTOR: Stem cell research offers hope to millions of Americans with diseases like Diabetes, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. But George Bush and Michael Steele would put limits on the most promising stem cell research.

Fortunately, Marylanders have a chance to vote for Ben Cardin. Cardin fully supports life-saving stem cell research. It’s why I support Ben Cardin. And with so much at stake, I respectfully ask you to do the same."

Its all about the federal bonanza, along with hatred of Bush.

Laughable!!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Here’s a commercial:

MICHAEL J. FOX, ACTOR: Stem cell research offers hope to millions of Americans with diseases like Diabetes, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. But George Bush and Michael Steele would put limits on the most promising stem cell research.

Fortunately, Marylanders have a chance to vote for Ben Cardin. Cardin fully supports life-saving stem cell research. It’s why I support Ben Cardin. And with so much at stake, I respectfully ask you to do the same."

Its all about the federal bonanza, along with hatred of Bush.

Laughable!!

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Oh. I will say that I think this whole stem cell thing is snow-job. Do some research into just how many tangible results it’s yielded thus far. I think it’s dishonest to label embryonic stem-cell research the ‘most promising’. It’s not been that up to now. But I think that a pretty subjective term. And yeah, it’s another big Anti-Bush issue.

I’m with you on all of that. But I don’t think Limbaugh should have gotten into it. Let’s leave folks with diseases like this just a little slack in the rope. Let them grasp at hope and fight for the things they think will help to improve their conditions and the conditions of others in similar straights. I just think it didn’t show a lot of class. I think the sentiment could have been delivered, the point made, with more tact. That’s all.

[quote]vroom wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
You need to think about the big picture and wake up for once in your life.

That’s pretty rich coming from an imbecile such as yourself.

Steveo, you can have one without the other (stem cells without abortions), and there’s no good reason not to do so if it will help cure disease and suffering for millions.[/quote]

Remember Vroom, this is the same guy that’s scared of gays and thinks living by a two thousand year old novel will make his imaginary friend love him more.

Rationality is not, and has never been SteveO’s strong point.

Wow, I love how people say that stem cell research has yielded little to no results so far so it should be discarded. They only figured out how to harvest stem cells from embryos in 1998. In that time researchers have managed to create heart and nerve cells from stem cells, and successfully integrate the heart cells with living mice. Amongst other breakthroughs.

Yes, clearly a whole lack of potential right there.

[quote]Ren wrote:
Wow, I love how people say that stem cell research has yielded little to no results so far so it should be discarded. They only figured out how to harvest stem cells from embryos in 1998. In that time researchers have managed to create heart and nerve cells from stem cells, and successfully integrate the heart cells with living mice. Amongst other breakthroughs.

Yes, clearly a whole lack of potential right there.

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Did I say it should be discarded? No. I don’t think that it should. I think it should continue. AND I don’t have a real problem with goverment funding for it, even though I am anti-abortion.

What I do have a problem with is that the issue is dishonstly framed. Candidates are not opposed to embryonic stem cell research. They are opposed to government funding for that research. There have been very few results. That’s a fact. I stated it. I didn’t say we should scrap the whole deal because of that. I don’t believe that.

I think that if there is research that we can do that ease the suffering of human beings that we should conduct that research exhaustively until we KNOW that it’s a dead end.

[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Ren wrote:
Wow, I love how people say that stem cell research has yielded little to no results so far so it should be discarded. They only figured out how to harvest stem cells from embryos in 1998. In that time researchers have managed to create heart and nerve cells from stem cells, and successfully integrate the heart cells with living mice. Amongst other breakthroughs.

Yes, clearly a whole lack of potential right there.

Did I say it should be discarded? No. I don’t think that it should. I think it should continue. AND I don’t have a real problem with goverment funding for it, even though I am anti-abortion.

What I do have a problem with is that the issue is dishonstly framed. Candidates are not opposed to embryonic stem cell research. They are opposed to government funding for that research. There have been very few results. That’s a fact. I stated it. I didn’t say we should scrap the whole deal because of that. I don’t believe that.

I think that if there is research that we can do that ease the suffering of human beings that we should conduct that research exhaustively until we KNOW that it’s a dead end.
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Ok, so arguably the whole problem here is that the government doesn’t want to fund the cultivation of new lines, since research is allowed but using only existing lines? Does it cost that much money to create new lines of stem cells? (let’s not even get into the moral arguments of the issue).

Oh yeah, as of 2006 there were only 22 lines of stem cells left, most of which have severe damage to them.