[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
At first the diet may seem overwhelming but really its very simple. By staying as natural as possible you wont have to worry about all this sciency shit… Just eat a ass ton of meat, good fats, and stick to green leafy vegies and you will be fine. I’ve done this diet for the better part of 2 years once you expirement and play with it a bit depending on your goals its pretty efficiant. If you have a hard time with it you may want to try the cave man diet or paleo for a month or so becuase it makes for a easy transition into the AD lifestyle.[/quote]
+1
The main problem I had when using the Anabolic diet was an over reliance on Protein Powder. I think I was afraid of going lower protein than I was used to and felt I had to supplement. But when you are on a high fat diet you really shouldnt take too much protein. You need your largest majority of calories to be fats. At least double the calories you get from protein to get the effectiveness imo. I also think this over supplementation of protein powder hindered my fat loss efforts by producing more insulin than acceptable.
Bottom line. If you are on this diet for fatloss stick with whole foods.[/quote]
Thx for all the feedback btw. I’m doing this because i wanted to change my way of nutrition. I do like some fatloss but i also want to maintain my muscles, plus having enough energy for my workouts. That’s the reason i’m taking the shake with aminos and protein after workouts only.
Maybe i should just start over for at least 5 days or 7 without any supplements besides Multivitamine and the viradex xt i am also using:D At least i know for sure i am in Ketosis.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
At the risk of being unpopular Id suggest the OP stay away from any supplemental protein sources during this break in period. The reason having nothing to do with carbs, but everything to do with insulin, which will also fuck up his ketogenic state. Protein Powders and especially isolated amino’s can spike insulin quite heavily. [/quote]
Yes i have decided i will run another 11 days starting today without my post-workout shake,protein,aminos… Your comments are confirming what i’ve been reading the last couple days.I want to see if i will feel any different and i like to play it safe LOL. I hope i still have the energy to get trough my workouts.Thx again.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
At the risk of being unpopular Id suggest the OP stay away from any supplemental protein sources during this break in period. The reason having nothing to do with carbs, but everything to do with insulin, which will also fuck up his ketogenic state. Protein Powders and especially isolated amino’s can spike insulin quite heavily. [/quote]
Yes i have decided i will run another 11 days starting today without my post-workout shake,protein,aminos… Your comments are confirming what i’ve been reading the last couple days.I want to see if i will feel any different and i like to play it safe LOL. I hope i still have the energy to get trough my workouts.Thx again. [/quote]
Ive said it before because it works well on Carb Backloading but itll work equally well for the Anabolic Diet as well. COCONUT OIL. Im almost becoming a cliche with this but Coconut Oil preworkout is the best thing I have ever done for my workouts! A tablespoon with coffee about 30minutes before a workout ensures I have awesome workouts all the time, even after eating low carb or even fasting all day up until my evening workout. Give it a shot. Its more good fats even if you dont notice as much performance benefit as I get from it.
I fail to believe that Coconut oil will ever take you out of Ketosis. One of the main reasons they use it in treating epilepsy is because it drives people into ketosis quickly and efficiently.
[quote]JK29 wrote:
I fail to believe that Coconut oil will ever take you out of Ketosis. One of the main reasons they use it in treating epilepsy is because it drives people into ketosis quickly and efficiently. [/quote]
What makes you think it cant? Just because it can induce ketosis doesnt mean it cant do the opposite if taken excessively. As with a lot of things a little can be therapeutic, while a lot can be detrimental.
[quote]JK29 wrote:
I fail to believe that Coconut oil will ever take you out of Ketosis. One of the main reasons they use it in treating epilepsy is because it drives people into ketosis quickly and efficiently. [/quote]
What makes you think it cant? Just because it can induce ketosis doesnt mean it cant do the opposite if taken excessively. As with a lot of things a little can be therapeutic, while a lot can be detrimental. [/quote]
How can something made primarily of medium chain triglycerides that contains little to no protein or carbohydrates possibly kick you out of ketosis?
[quote]JK29 wrote:
I fail to believe that Coconut oil will ever take you out of Ketosis. One of the main reasons they use it in treating epilepsy is because it drives people into ketosis quickly and efficiently. [/quote]
What makes you think it cant? Just because it can induce ketosis doesnt mean it cant do the opposite if taken excessively. As with a lot of things a little can be therapeutic, while a lot can be detrimental. [/quote]
How can something made primarily of medium chain triglycerides that contains little to no protein or carbohydrates possibly kick you out of ketosis?
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Well this is way above my knowledge of the subject. However, I have a friend who is a Doctor in Pharmacy and this is what he said… Take it or leave it.
“Ketones and their acid load is regulated by the bicarbonate buffering system, through increased respiration (lungs burn in ketosis when doing cardio), and renally through excretion of ammomia and hydrogen phosphates. Insulin has no effect on fatty acid metabolism, it only affects fatty acids by 1. decreasing lyosis, and increasing esterification of fatty acids (making more). Ketoacidosis ( not ketosis, but ketoacidosis…a VERY different condition. He is confusing them in the post) is caused due to the fact that the body cannot access the glucose at all due to zero insulin being produced. This huge influx of ketones (1000 x more than a ketogenic diet), overwhelms the buffering systems listed above and throws the person into seirous metabolic acidosis. Insulin does inhibit ketone formation indirectly, but he is incorrect that ketones stimulate insulin. They do not.”
It’s all above my head, but I believe my friend when he tells me to eat as much Coconut Oil as I want.
Cheers,
JK
Edit: I wanted to add one more thing about Coconut oil. I’ve found that when I introduced it into my diet I switched into ketosis faster after my weekend carbup. More often than not the next day.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]JK29 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]JK29 wrote:
I fail to believe that Coconut oil will ever take you out of Ketosis. One of the main reasons they use it in treating epilepsy is because it drives people into ketosis quickly and efficiently. [/quote]
What makes you think it cant? Just because it can induce ketosis doesnt mean it cant do the opposite if taken excessively. As with a lot of things a little can be therapeutic, while a lot can be detrimental. [/quote]
How can something made primarily of medium chain triglycerides that contains little to no protein or carbohydrates possibly kick you out of ketosis?
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[quote]JK29 wrote:
Well this is way above my knowledge of the subject. However, I have a friend who is a Doctor in Pharmacy and this is what he said… Take it or leave it.
“Ketones and their acid load is regulated by the bicarbonate buffering system, through increased respiration (lungs burn in ketosis when doing cardio), and renally through excretion of ammomia and hydrogen phosphates. Insulin has no effect on fatty acid metabolism, it only affects fatty acids by 1. decreasing lyosis, and increasing esterification of fatty acids (making more). Ketoacidosis ( not ketosis, but ketoacidosis…a VERY different condition. He is confusing them in the post) is caused due to the fact that the body cannot access the glucose at all due to zero insulin being produced. This huge influx of ketones (1000 x more than a ketogenic diet), overwhelms the buffering systems listed above and throws the person into seirous metabolic acidosis. Insulin does inhibit ketone formation indirectly, but he is incorrect that ketones stimulate insulin. They do not.”
It’s all above my head, but I believe my friend when he tells me to eat as much Coconut Oil as I want.
Cheers,
JK
Edit: I wanted to add one more thing about Coconut oil. I’ve found that when I introduced it into my diet I switched into ketosis faster after my weekend carbup. More often than not the next day. [/quote]
The only reason Ketoacidosis is even mentioned is for the quoted part in bold. [quote]the pancreas produces insulin in response to rising ketone/blood glucose concentration.[/quote] Therefore, I dont see how you, or anyone, can claim that too much MCT-Coconut Oil wont affect insulin, which does turn off fat burning.
The reason you are getting into Ketosis faster is because MCTs get absorbed quickly and are oonverted to ketones for fuel, this is NOT your bodyfat at work. And if you dropped the coconut oil and continued eating normally youd probably find the levels of ketones deminish not continue along the same enhanced level.
At the end of the day all that matters are results. Id just wager that you never go that high in Coconut Oil at any one time to elicit the negative response.
I agree, this is pretty much a moot point. Interesting stuff though.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]JK29 wrote:
Well this is way above my knowledge of the subject. However, I have a friend who is a Doctor in Pharmacy and this is what he said… Take it or leave it.
“Ketones and their acid load is regulated by the bicarbonate buffering system, through increased respiration (lungs burn in ketosis when doing cardio), and renally through excretion of ammomia and hydrogen phosphates. Insulin has no effect on fatty acid metabolism, it only affects fatty acids by 1. decreasing lyosis, and increasing esterification of fatty acids (making more). Ketoacidosis ( not ketosis, but ketoacidosis…a VERY different condition. He is confusing them in the post) is caused due to the fact that the body cannot access the glucose at all due to zero insulin being produced. This huge influx of ketones (1000 x more than a ketogenic diet), overwhelms the buffering systems listed above and throws the person into seirous metabolic acidosis. Insulin does inhibit ketone formation indirectly, but he is incorrect that ketones stimulate insulin. They do not.”
It’s all above my head, but I believe my friend when he tells me to eat as much Coconut Oil as I want.
Cheers,
JK
Edit: I wanted to add one more thing about Coconut oil. I’ve found that when I introduced it into my diet I switched into ketosis faster after my weekend carbup. More often than not the next day. [/QUOTE]
The only reason Ketoacidosis is even mentioned is for the quoted part in bold. [quote]the pancreas produces insulin in response to rising ketone/blood glucose concentration.[/quote] Therefore, I dont see how you, or anyone, can claim that too much MCT-Coconut Oil wont affect insulin, which does turn off fat burning.
The reason you are getting into Ketosis faster is because MCTs get absorbed quickly and are oonverted to ketones for fuel, this is NOT your bodyfat at work. And if you dropped the coconut oil and continued eating normally youd probably find the levels of ketones deminish not continue along the same enhanced level.
At the end of the day all that matters are results. Id just wager that you never go that high in Coconut Oil at any one time to elicit the negative response. [/quote]
[quote]JK29 wrote:
I agree, this is pretty much a moot point. Interesting stuff though.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]JK29 wrote:
Well this is way above my knowledge of the subject. However, I have a friend who is a Doctor in Pharmacy and this is what he said… Take it or leave it.
“Ketones and their acid load is regulated by the bicarbonate buffering system, through increased respiration (lungs burn in ketosis when doing cardio), and renally through excretion of ammomia and hydrogen phosphates. Insulin has no effect on fatty acid metabolism, it only affects fatty acids by 1. decreasing lyosis, and increasing esterification of fatty acids (making more). Ketoacidosis ( not ketosis, but ketoacidosis…a VERY different condition. He is confusing them in the post) is caused due to the fact that the body cannot access the glucose at all due to zero insulin being produced. This huge influx of ketones (1000 x more than a ketogenic diet), overwhelms the buffering systems listed above and throws the person into seirous metabolic acidosis. Insulin does inhibit ketone formation indirectly, but he is incorrect that ketones stimulate insulin. They do not.”
It’s all above my head, but I believe my friend when he tells me to eat as much Coconut Oil as I want.
Cheers,
JK
Edit: I wanted to add one more thing about Coconut oil. I’ve found that when I introduced it into my diet I switched into ketosis faster after my weekend carbup. More often than not the next day. [/QUOTE]
The only reason Ketoacidosis is even mentioned is for the quoted part in bold. [quote]the pancreas produces insulin in response to rising ketone/blood glucose concentration.[/quote] Therefore, I dont see how you, or anyone, can claim that too much MCT-Coconut Oil wont affect insulin, which does turn off fat burning.
The reason you are getting into Ketosis faster is because MCTs get absorbed quickly and are oonverted to ketones for fuel, this is NOT your bodyfat at work. And if you dropped the coconut oil and continued eating normally youd probably find the levels of ketones deminish not continue along the same enhanced level.
At the end of the day all that matters are results. Id just wager that you never go that high in Coconut Oil at any one time to elicit the negative response. [/quote]
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Thx for all the comments guys, made me a lot smarter!
