Messed Up with a Girl. Help Needed

We as a society just have to reframe public bathroom use to look at it like we do at home.

You get out of the shower and the wife is letting out the evil, you just go about your business. Walk in and there’s a guy untangling his junk from his garters? Well that’s just uncle Dave.

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Well, first of all, if women and girls are uncomfortable then is that now irrelevant? The other thing is that I’m not advocating for shifting the risk to boys and men rather than girls and women, the risk is already there. That is a separate issue. If you want to propose a solution to that then be my guest.

Here’s the first thing that comes up when I search “women attacked by transsexual”

" A biological man, Christopher Hambrook, claimed to be ‘transgender’ in order to prey on women at two Toronto shelters. He was recently jailed “indefinitely” after a judge
declared him to be a “dangerous offender.”
https://eaglerising.com/32526/man-pretending-to-be-transgendered-attacks-multiple-victims-in-womens-facilities/

So in your opinion, some drunken idiot that ejaculates inside a girl after she made the stupid, alcohol-influenced decision to let him fuck her without a condom is a rapist but women must allow themselves to be exposed to these potential risks.

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It was recently changed. Previously, people who felt they were not the same gender as which they were born were said to be suffering from “gender dysphoria”.

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I’m a fan of @T3hPwnisher’s thought experiments that tend to throw people for a loop, so let’s go one step further.

If mentally ill people accosting innocents in bathrooms is a concern, why is the focus of the discussion so narrow? What precautions are we taking to prevent paranoid schizophrenics from taking a piss next to our children? Do you want to be taking a dump with a kleptomaniac one stall over from you?

What is to be done?

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This is literally everything that you’re not supposed to do when researching something, and a single example proves nothing. When I googled the same thing, there were more examples of people attacking trans women than there were trans people attacking others.

Also, the most important part of what you said is that

He wasn’t trans. He claimed to be.

No! That’s my :poop:!

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A friend of mine recently returned from a business trip to China
In a province near bejing, he frequented a shopping centre that didn’t have gender specific restrooms, but spread out within the centre were individual bathrooms.

So for example it would have 2 shops, then a toilet, another few shops, another toilet etc…
Eliminates any human interaction, they were ample spread across the centre and there was no worry about having to worry about safety concerns as it’s easy access

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Who can tell the difference?

So in other words, there are plenty of incidents of transsexuals attacking women.

Nope, not what I said, and the opposite of what came up when I googled your extremely pointed question.

The people who reported him, the police who arrested him, and the judge who sentenced him to jail.

Boys can use female bathrooms upto various ages depending on your jurisdiction. Society doesn’t move this risk (or non-risk) onto boys but parents might.

Girls tend to get sexually assaulted at 4x the rate of boys but I am not sure of the figure when the offender is not known the the victim (10% of the time).

Men will be the offender much more regularly than women but almost exclusively when it is opportunistic.

How that or whether that changes if there is a transgender person involved, I don’t know.

Girls have been assaulted while using a toilet alone with parents waiting outside and men have taken the guise of females to commit crimes (not sure if child abuse is one).

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You didn’t hear about Google blocking and censoring searches? I use Bing, it just happened to be my default search engine. There are plenty of stories of transsexuals attacking people, in bathrooms and elsewhere. Here’s one for you:
“Men have assaulted or violated women’s privacy in public bathrooms 21 times due to pro-LGBT transgender restroom policies, according to a list compiled by a nationally recognized pro-family organization.”
This is also from February 2017, so most likely the number is much higher by now.
https://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2017/02/18/21-women-assaulted-by-transgenders-in-restrooms

…okay, so your source is onenewsnow- a far right religious and conservative news organization. The bias is obviously there, but let’s imagine that this is a bipartisan news outlet and break down what you just said.

The “nationally recognized pro-family organization” is the Family Research Council. Putting aside the fact that “pro-family” is the most loaded, ridiculous term ever and implies that everyone else is anti-family, the FRC is - you guessed it - a far right conservative religious organization. This is a biased source reporting a list from a biased source. But we can put all that aside and look further into the actual article.

Here’s the actual quote about the assaults, not the picture caption that you quoted:
“A list of 21 reported cases of women being sexually assaulted by transgender men has been compiled by FRC – incidents that span from 1999 to 2017”

21 incidents in 18 years.

So this:

Would be accurate if you said, “most likely the number is 22-23 by now.”

This is why your method of research was flawed, and I bet I could find this on google, too - onenewsnow is not censored on google - it yielded an article by a random far-right news outlet quoting studies from far right organizations to support your search parameters.

Also, I searched bing. What came up first was video about an attack on a transgender person. Then came your article, and the rest of the page was filled with, surprise, attacks on transgender people.

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By the way, to put things in perspective about those 21 ASSAULT victims in 18 years- here’s an article from that same bing search with your search parameters about 21 HOMICIDE victims, ALL transgender, from 2015. JULY 2015, meaning it was halfway through the year.

21 assaults in 18 years, 21 homicides in 7 months. Quite an article to gloss over in favor of the one you chose.

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So those women who were sexually assaulted don’t matter because it was too long ago? Were there no unreported incidents? Even if there isn’t a huge risk of being sexually assaulted, should women be forced to share bathrooms with biological men, regardless of their discomfort, for the sake of political correctness?

Perhaps transsexuals should seek treatment for their condition rather than trying to force the world to conform to their will.

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How you got that from what @flappinit wrote is mental gymnastics that could earn you a gold medal. Bravo

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You’re making a logical mistake here. You’re associating the fact that these individuals were trans with the fact that they assaulted women. That’s a leap you can’t make. The percentage of trans individuals assaulting ANYONE is not higher than the percentage of the population at large committing sexual assaults. The fact of being trans is irrelevant.

Here’s a question: why are you not more concerned with the fact that transgender people DO get assaulted at a far higher rate than the general population? It sounds like you simply value the lives oftransgender individuals less than others. That would explain why you’re so caught up in the fact that approximately 1 woman has been assaulted by someone who is transgender per year for the past 20 years, but you gloss over the article flappinit shared about transgender women being murdered at a much higher rate.

As far as I’m aware, the most commonly prescribed treatment is for these individuals to live their life in the gender they identify with, with surgical correction and hormonal treatment being aides in that process.

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How do you figure? Did you miss this:

Here’s an answer: The discussion was not about transsexuals being assaulted. And if you are doing something that increases your risk of being assaulted then maybe you need to check yourself, rather then expect everyone to dance to your tune.

Maybe nowadays, in North America and western Europe. But this is also a new development, and one that is controversial as you can see. But here’s the thing, if you aren’t comfortable with yourself and need hormones and surgery, and demand other people refer to you as the opposite sex or some made up “gender” then how can you expect other people to be comfortable around you?

Anyway, this debate is really going nowhere, nobody is going to convince anybody and nobody is going to win so let’s just end it there.

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In point of clarity, we are agreeing that this is the most up to date approach utilized by two of the most advanced societies in western civilization as far as technology, medical knowledge, and research goes.