If you accept that this is or want this to be an illegal act then intent doesn’t matter IMO.
If it couldn’t reasonably be prevented (eg she is riding you, she doesn’t clue on to the impending orgasm and you bust faster than a sailor heads to a strip club after docking) then that’s one thing but you have many opportunities to prevent ejaculation happening. That’s why, if both parties consent to unprotected sex, both parties accept the risk and consequences of it - including pregnancy and not so nice contraception options because that is an accepted risk before the intented or unintended ejaculation anyway.
Now, if you’re assessing how big an asshole the OP is then absolutely.
I don’t think anything illegal happened. I think it was just an ultra dick move.
My intent comment was related to how shitty of a thing to do it was. It’s obviously very shitty, but the shittiness intensifies 1000x if it was deliberate, which I think it was.
Can I just say, what the fuck is with kids these days and freaking out over the chance of getting pregnant (low probability and very addressable) and not giving two fucks about STIs (high probability and possibly something that you will have for your life and in some instances may prevent you from ever having sex again and maybe death).
The girl OP banged probably looked at him and thought no way this guy has shagged anyone before but still what in the fuck?
7.6 billion people in the world. Assume half are female.
Happening every day doesn’t mean it is even remotely a common occurrence.
Perhaps a bit of confirmation bias?
I think its the remnant of an antiquated fear. Back in ye olden times women were seriously at risk of death in child birth. I read somewhere that between first childbirth and fifth childbirth a women had a 20 % chance of mortality.
I dated a girl who insisted I wear a condom and pull out at the same time. Haha.
Yes but the point is it’s a really shitty thing to do to put her at risk of this. I know you understand that, which is why at this point I’m certain you’re just arguing for the sake of it.
I am just addressing all of your arguments. If you don’t want to admit that perhaps you were a bit over zealous and quick to call the OP a piece of shit without knowing all the details then fine I will move on.
Your concept of consent seems to revolve around doing everything a girl asks you to. By refusing to do what she says, he is in fact the one who is not consenting. She didn’t have to willingly have sex with him if he refused to wear a condom, but that was a bad choice for both of them.
Well, even if he didn’t cum inside her she could have caught an STD, and he is equally at risk. I don’t condone his behaviour, but is the girl not also at fault here?
Being that the man is 99% of the time the most physically dominant person in the relationship, I feel that when the woman sets boundaries before, during, or after sex, it is customary for someone who isn’t a manipulative coward to respect those boundaries. She was manipulated into condom-less sex under the pretense that he wouldn’t come inside her, and the most scary aspect of unprotected sex for someone who doesn’t want a baby is pregnancy. He violated that. He then refused to leave her place of residence, and cursed her out for it. Then he continued to bother her despite her requests for him to leave her alone. Here’s the funniest thing about your nitpicking my obvious post:
By your standard, if a girl says “I don’t want to have sex”, and the man says “no” and sticks his dick inside of her, he is the victim of somebody who does not understand consent.
Being “physically dominant” doesn’t mean that the other person is in charge, consent is a two way street. Girls try to get guys to do all sorts of things they don’t want to, the guy is under no obligation to comply simply because he is bigger and stronger.
You obviously don’t understand what consent actually is, your logic is totally backwards. Both people have to agree to what they are going to do, not what they aren’t going to do.
How do you figure she was manipulated? Maybe she was, but based on the information we have here there is no reason to believe so. If he forced himself on her after she refused to have sex with no condom then that would be rape, but that isn’t what happened here. If a woman agrees to have sex with no condom, with a drunk man, and he cums inside her then you really can’t put all the blame on him.
That is not what he described as happening at all.
She slept in a different bed that night. In the morning she asked him to leave. He complied but got irritated when he was trying to drink some water before he left. Morning after getting drunk I could imagine he might be thirsty and irritable. Same goes for her. So not surprising there was some tension.
He tried to contact her to mend the relationship. Because he has feelings for her. Is that a crime? I some point it may be harassment and there are legal ramifications for that but that hardly seems like what the OP has done.
So now you are trying to interfere with the ops decision to try and mend his relationship with this girl. Who are you to tell him he can’t do that?
Have you read the posts. It seems that every interaction the OP has had after the incident has been nothing but cordial.
It’s kind of disgusting that you’d ask if I was a virgin based off of me saying I comply with requests like “put a condom on” and “don’t come in me”. Being that I have 2 kids and a beautiful wife, it’s unlikely that I’m a virgin, but whatever you want to believe is fine with me.
That’s not why I said that at all, you just seem like you would let a girl walk all over you. Anyway, this is getting more and more off track, my point was that a girl telling you to do something doesn’t mean that you have to do it, you can refuse to wear a condom but she can also refuse to have sex with you. No means no, whether said by the man or woman.
Really, I just thought your earlier post was kind of dumb and we got carried away in some other sort of argument, but it’s kind of entertaining.
Dude read this guys other posts. Like 4 of them involve women. It should be obvious by this point that he is hopelessly socially retarded when it comes to women.
I think this is the right point of the thread to share my belief that more women should lift weights and do jiu jitsu, wrestling or some other martial art where they make themselves very difficult to be held down if they don’t want to be.
