I went today to get the second round of work done. I said that I wanted composite. We talked about it for a while. What I found really disturbing, and maybe prof X can comment on this, was that the dentist maintained that there is NO increase in exposure to amalgam bearers.
Now from what I have read that’s not even a debatable issue, the debate lies in whether or not the increased exposure is enough to cause problems, not whether there is or isn’t an increased exposure…
PX- there’s a quote by Paul Chek as it relates to people disagreeing with him, something along the lines of this “people can disagree with me all they want, I don’t care. I’ve devoted my life to exercise and nutrition, they don’t get to argue with me about it”.
I wish I knew the exact quote but you get the point.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
PX- there’s a quote by Paul Chek as it relates to people disagreeing with him, something along the lines of this “people can disagree with me all they want, I don’t care. I’ve devoted my life to exercise and nutrition, they don’t get to argue with me about it”.
I wish I knew the exact quote but you get the point.[/quote]
Then he lights some incense, sacrifices a cabbage, and his biceps grow 2" while his body drops 3% of bodyfat.
I should add it was in relation to people who are not in the fitness industry or have not seeked extensive formal or self education on the topic
[quote]tmay11 wrote:
I went today to get the second round of work done. I said that I wanted composite. We talked about it for a while. What I found really disturbing, and maybe prof X can comment on this, was that the dentist maintained that there is NO increase in exposure to amalgam bearers.
Now from what I have read that’s not even a debatable issue, the debate lies in whether or not the increased exposure is enough to cause problems, not whether there is or isn’t an increased exposure… [/quote]
Mercury is very toxic. There’s no safe amount.
I have to call bullshit on the amalgam thing for two reasons.
1 - If it was poisonous dentists would stop doing it! They’re not so stupid to run the risk.
2 - the lawyers would have stopped it via lawsuits and grown rich years ago if it was a menace.
PS - RBlue is hot!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]storey420 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]RBlue wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
In my opinion, mercury shouldn’t be anywhere near your body. Especially in you mouth.
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I second this.
I have seen cases where every muscle in the body tested weak - until the fillings were replaced with a more ‘friendly’ material, at which point the patient tested strong and the general malaise they complained of went away.
BBB[/quote]
Placebo effect? Don’t discount the power of the mind in creating symptoms and improvements. What of the very large number of people with amalgam fillings who don’t complain of any malaise, or muscle weakness, or MS symptoms, etc…?[/quote]
What about the large number of people who feel and perform better when they eliminate wheat and dairy, yet are not classically ‘intolerant’?
Let me guess, this was taught to you at dental school? Do you really think that a profession that puts mercury into peoples mouths would be the most objective regarding mercury toxicity?
Besides, it’s more to do with electrical potentials affecting the CNS, than microleakage.
BBB[/quote]
Ridiculous.
Hint: If a doctor who handles the stuff for 50 years doesn’t get sick, maybe you should take note of that.
The biggest risk is during condensation of the material into a cavity prep…which means the doc is at greater risk because this is when the mercury is pushed out of the filling before it sets…with the initial set happening within 5-10min usually before the procedure is over.
That wasn’t learned at dental school but in damn near a decade of practice after the fact.
I personally do not have anything against dental amalgams in most people, but I also know many dentists avoid them today simply because of the esthetics issue.
The alternative is a composite filling or an onlay/inlay.
Composite fillings have about a 5 years+ life in the mouth of most people with 10 years pushing it before it needs to be replaced. Amalgams are sturdier, last longer, and are what I would choose to out in the mouth of someone who I was convinced would not be receiving regular dental treatment and who had poor oral hygiene because of the factors mentioned earlier.
If someone has good oral hygiene and sees a dentist regularly, there is nothing wrong with composite fillings and they do look better.
COST is a major factor as well because tons of people love to talk a good game, but the truth is, most will see the bill for an inlay/onlay, notice the 5-800 dollar difference, notice what insurance pays and then choose the amalgam because it costs less.[/quote]
While I agree with the statement that from a cost standpoint they are sturdier but inherently by the nature of the materials amalgams are going to expand and contract and invariably lead to cracks (crowns, etc.) as the tooth degrades.
The first point “Ridiculous.Hint: If a doctor who handles the stuff for 50 years doesn’t get sick, maybe you should take note of that.” is completely irrelevant and actually very incorrect. I know a doc that has smoked for 50 years and is fine, guess cigarettes are totally cool. Of course I don’t get to make my point with the hundreds of older dentists I had had the fortune/misfortune to meet that have very debilitating conditions now most likely due to their years of mercury exposure. Prof. X you’re a bull, strong, young, fit still doesn’t mean after 30 years of exposure you wouldn’t exhibit signs of debilitation (which are quite extensive with chronic mercury exposure. So to wave it off as nonsense shows a pretty narrow mindset but can’t hardly blame you going through the military route of medical care/training which is very behind the times not just in dentistry.[/quote]
I’m sorry but this entire post is ridiculous. First, no one gets their dental training IN the military. They may do their residency there, but no one is going to school there. Second, I was AirForce which is as advanced as any outside dental office if not more-so. We had full digital x-rays and state of the art equipment that the outside didn’t have access to yet…so clearly your knowledge of what goes on in that field is quite limited…but that didn’t stop you from attempting an insult with your limited insight.
Third, please provide a link to the study you conducted or at least some tangible evidence that you have met several dentists with “debilitating conditions” and that the cause is dental amalgam.
I notice you haven’t responded to Rblue yet. My guess is, you won’t.[/quote]
I stand corrected as to your training and obviously didn’t know enough about that I was basing that off of my experience with military dentists who did not have the latest tools as you did. Then again I was in the Army and you Air Force guys always had the sweet gear anyway. I wasn’t attempting an insult anymore than you were with YOUR limited insight because you dismissed the entire debate with a stupid ass comment like “a doctor handling it doesn’t get sick” like you know it all because of what you see in your office. Provide me with your study that you prove no one gets sick, sheesh.
Guess what? Part of my job is traveling around the country working with holistic minded practitioners of all disciplines including dentistry and interacting with them so I have the collective experience of all of their years and experiences, They have no agenda but have seen the effects of their patients with these amalgams as well as colleagues that are older and are having serious neurological issues now. I have met with many dentists that are ADA dentists (not “kooky” HDA docs) that do amalgam removal under the auspice of cosmetic dentistry to preserve their license but they know the amalgams are a problem.
One day in the near future the holy grail, landmark study will be paid for and published irrevocably showing the health detriments of having amalgams across the board and dentists like yourself will finally open your eyes and come onboard. Until then I will keep working with people who are forward thinking on the front lines.
Oh and a reply for Rblue. What is your debunking of this? Factors influencing mercury evaporation rate from dental amalgam fillings - PubMed
[quote]tmay11 wrote:
I went today to get the second round of work done. I said that I wanted composite. We talked about it for a while. What I found really disturbing, and maybe prof X can comment on this, was that the dentist maintained that there is NO increase in exposure to amalgam bearers.
Now from what I have read that’s not even a debatable issue, the debate lies in whether or not the increased exposure is enough to cause problems, not whether there is or isn’t an increased exposure… [/quote]
From what I’ve read here, PX, Rblue and your dentist are getting crushed by published research. I suspect the dental community is turning a blind eye due to fear of a public outcry and this is prolonging the problem because the dentists in school and out there practicing are not getting the proper education on the topic.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
Oh and a reply for Rblue. What is your debunking of this? Factors influencing mercury evaporation rate from dental amalgam fillings - PubMed
Good links. I am not worried about it but I suspect old fashioned amalgam fillings with mercury are on their way out.
Let’s just hope that their replacements are better and we are not throwing away a good working technology for something that may not last nearly as long and are only marginally safer.
[i]
I got mercury poisoning
It’s fatal and it don’t get better
I got mercury poisoning
The best kept secret in the west[i]
GP
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
[i]
I got mercury poisoning
It’s fatal and it don’t get better
I got mercury poisoning
The best kept secret in the west[i]
GP[/quote]
Well hey now momma
You look so fine
ridin round in your Mercury 49
Crazy bout a Mercury
lord I’m crazy bout a Mercury
I’m gonna buy me a Mercury
And cruise it up and down the road
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
I got mercury poisoning
It’s fatal and it don’t get better
I got mercury poisoning
The best kept secret in the west
GP[/quote]
Well hey now momma
You look so fine
ridin round in your Mercury 49
Crazy bout a Mercury
lord I’m crazy bout a Mercury
I’m gonna buy me a Mercury
And cruise it up and down the road
[/quote]
Crawling from the wreckage, crawling from the wreckage
You’d think by now at least
That half my brain would get the message
Crawling from the wreckage, crawling from the wreckage
Into a brand new car
We must play the same covers.
I got your bottom, SD