What would be your thoughts if you found out someone similar was living on your street/in your neighborhood?
So far he has hospitalized 10 people, and according to the article, there are 4 guards outside his home.
The other question is, how much does this all cost? I assume he can’t work, so its all tax-payers money. Why not put him in a mental institution, or isolated jail? Apparently his mental state makes him unable to be charged.
Thoughts?
In any city of any size, there are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of mentally unstable people just as potentially volatile and harmful as this guy, who are not under any kind of armed supervision whatsoever. Especially in California. Crazy people walk the streets. There just isn’t the funding to lock them all up.
“Dangerous crazy man lives in our neighborhood” might be big news in the Wisconsin Dells (I love the fact that the other top stories on this page include “woman finds driveway covered in lucky pennies” and “eatery offers Mac-and cheese…and more!”) but I see crazy people on every street corner where I live.
Good point. Do you think in this case where there is an apparent need for armed guards that placing said individual with the public is a good idea?
Or for that matter any of the unstable? Is it not in essence creating a time bomb or the potential for an explosion just by merely keeping them in with the masses?
I think there comes a point where you can’t continue to just put band-aids on issues. On a positive, it creates 4 jobs for guys to be guards, so at least its creating demand.
Yes, if there is one good thing we can say about our penal system, it’s that it creates jobs.
What is the answer? Good question. What hasn’t been tried yet? We could lock 'em all up, maybe in camps with barbed wire and guard dogs and armed men in towers. That would get them off the streets.
If only there were some more sparsely-inhabited continents out there to “transport” our crazies and criminals to. Something like Australia or Georgia. I guess eventually we could send them to the moon.
These are all pretty costly solutions, though. Lock a crazy person up, and you kind of have to feed and clothe him too. That gets to be spendy. Unless you encourage cannibalism. Then the prison population problem and the feeding problem kind of take care of themselves.
I guess one solution would be to cordon off one section of every city, build a big wall around it, and make all the crazy people live there. You’d force them to wear some sort of insignia on their clothing identifying them as members of the mentally unstable community. Something eye-catching, like a yellow star, would work. Any crazy person found outside of their area would, of course, be shot. The only issue with this is if you allow male crazy people and female crazy people to share habitat, they will inevitably breed more crazy people. So sterilization must be seriously considered.
There’s only one big problem with all of these ideas, and that is, how do we define “mentally unstable?” By the standards of the DSM-V, you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find anyone without some mental disorder or another. And the environmental toxins we ingest just makes us even more so. My prediction is that in the next fifty years half of the population is going to be locked up in the crazy camps, and the other half (who is only moderately less crazy) will be guarding them.
Hey, it’s a job, right?
I see the irony in your post, but sending them to the moon doesn’t sound like too bad an idea… like giving them an option. We will either give you the death penalty (for criminals, not mentally unstable) or you can go on a space exploration that you are not going to return from. Contribute in your demise and experience a once in a lifetime thing, or enjoy a quick end.
Though, in my opinion, and this is just my opinion, anyone convicted of murder or rape that what not antagonized (like self-defense is still taking a life, but in defense), should get the death penalty. It’d sure clean out our prison system, and rightfully punish those who committed grave acts against humanity. Would also give room for the mentally unstable :), win win.
In all seriousness though, I had heard there is a Jail Warden in Arizona who has all the inmates live in tents/camps. They do hard labor during the day, and are given bread/water/minimal food necessary to survive. There is no physical building and aside from maybe a fence, the only deterence from their escape is the armed guards who will and do shoot if there is an attempted escape. I think the cost per inmate was something ridiculously low, and it encouraged people to not commit crime - no 3 meals a day and basketball court for good behavior. The guys paid for their crimes… I could be satisfied for that.
I heard of the above, have not seen it personally myself, but I see huge potential. No utility costs, more jobs for guards, prisoners are put to work to contribute and very hard labor, and there is no “reward” for committing a crime. I think I also heard this guy was re-elected multiple times for his intelligent management.
For mentally unstable, you’re right. I’m probably making that list someway also :P.
Here he is… I like the “pink underwear” also.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
There’s only one big problem with all of these ideas, and that is, how do we define “mentally unstable?” By the standards of the DSM-V, you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find anyone without some mental disorder or another. And the environmental toxins we ingest just makes us even more so. My prediction is that in the next fifty years half of the population is going to be locked up in the crazy camps, and the other half (who is only moderately less crazy) will be guarding them.[/quote]
We didn’t evolve to be sane, we evolved to be deadlier to our peers than they are to us. The only cheap way to reduce the number of absolute crazies out there is to come up with a “rational” way to kill them. I’d say mano-a-mano is the most straightforward, democratic and equitable approach. Won’t help proportions or total sanity, but will reduce the number of mentally unstable individuals.
Lucasa: George Carlin had a similar idea. It’s sounding better all the time.
Amazing that someone that dangerous is out in the public domain. We have a local state hospital with a Violent Admissions ward. A buddy of mine has worked there for years. This Baraboo guy sounds like he’d be right at home there. This same hospital dumped hundreds of lesser nut jobs out on the street 30 years ago. We used to see them everywhere in downtown areas.
Rob
Its a sad reality. We have too many bad guys to keep space in the prisons and too many nutjobs (sorry I know that isn’t PC) for the mental institutions. Someone said on another site, the irony is that they have to let out hardened criminals who committed terrible crimes to make room for guys who committed lesser offenses (like possession of marijuana).
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather have a stoned guy wandering the street looking for the nearest vending machine or 711 than someone liable to snap at any moment merely because he isn’t wired right.
The word “nutjob” isn’t PC?
When did this happen?
Well, what about “loonie”, “nutter”, “wacko”, “basketcase” and “crazier than a shithouse rat”? These are all still okay, right?
I always preferred the Anamaniacs - Wacko, Yacko, and Dot.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I see the irony in your post, but sending them to the moon doesn’t sound like too bad an idea… like giving them an option. We will either give you the death penalty (for criminals, not mentally unstable) or you can go on a space exploration that you are not going to return from. Contribute in your demise and experience a once in a lifetime thing, or enjoy a quick end.
Though, in my opinion, and this is just my opinion, anyone convicted of murder or rape that what not antagonized (like self-defense is still taking a life, but in defense), should get the death penalty. It’d sure clean out our prison system, and rightfully punish those who committed grave acts against humanity. Would also give room for the mentally unstable :), win win.
In all seriousness though, I had heard there is a Jail Warden in Arizona who has all the inmates live in tents/camps. They do hard labor during the day, and are given bread/water/minimal food necessary to survive. There is no physical building and aside from maybe a fence, the only deterence from their escape is the armed guards who will and do shoot if there is an attempted escape. I think the cost per inmate was something ridiculously low, and it encouraged people to not commit crime - no 3 meals a day and basketball court for good behavior. The guys paid for their crimes… I could be satisfied for that.
I heard of the above, have not seen it personally myself, but I see huge potential. No utility costs, more jobs for guards, prisoners are put to work to contribute and very hard labor, and there is no “reward” for committing a crime. I think I also heard this guy was re-elected multiple times for his intelligent management.
For mentally unstable, you’re right. I’m probably making that list someway also :P.[/quote]
I agree with your general sentiment, if not with all the details.
I am a huge fan of the labor idea of prison though. Having the inmates actually do productive work to offset or even fund the prison upkeep/staffing expenses, and of course that opens up all KINDS of incentive programs…work your ass off in jail, help re-pay the community for the damages done, and you get out earlier/get more perks. Get in trouble, are lazy when it’s time to work, etc, and you serve full sentence, get less food, and work the more physically demanding jobs.
I can appreciate you don’t agree with my bit harsher punishment(s).
In South Dakota when I lived there while very young, they had the prisoners work the roads/highways by cleaning them and picking up trash. Moving to PA, we immediately noticed how dirty the streets were in comparison.
The prisoners were put to positive work, its free, and it serves the community they damaged. I don’t see any negatives to that.
I can’t believe you posted that , George Carlin ROCKS 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I can’t believe you posted that , George Carlin ROCKS :)[/quote]
That’s one of my favorite routines of his.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Yes, if there is one good thing we can say about our penal system, it’s that it creates jobs.
What is the answer? Good question. What hasn’t been tried yet? We could lock 'em all up, maybe in camps with barbed wire and guard dogs and armed men in towers. That would get them off the streets.
If only there were some more sparsely-inhabited continents out there to “transport” our crazies and criminals to. Something like Australia or Georgia. I guess eventually we could send them to the moon.
These are all pretty costly solutions, though. Lock a crazy person up, and you kind of have to feed and clothe him too. That gets to be spendy. Unless you encourage cannibalism. Then the prison population problem and the feeding problem kind of take care of themselves.
I guess one solution would be to cordon off one section of every city, build a big wall around it, and make all the crazy people live there. You’d force them to wear some sort of insignia on their clothing identifying them as members of the mentally unstable community. Something eye-catching, like a yellow star, would work. Any crazy person found outside of their area would, of course, be shot. The only issue with this is if you allow male crazy people and female crazy people to share habitat, they will inevitably breed more crazy people. So sterilization must be seriously considered.
There’s only one big problem with all of these ideas, and that is, how do we define “mentally unstable?” By the standards of the DSM-V, you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find anyone without some mental disorder or another. And the environmental toxins we ingest just makes us even more so. My prediction is that in the next fifty years half of the population is going to be locked up in the crazy camps, and the other half (who is only moderately less crazy) will be guarding them.
Hey, it’s a job, right?
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some of the stuff in the V is pretty jacked up. I know many professionals that wont use it and still refer to IV.
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Yes, if there is one good thing we can say about our penal system, it’s that it creates jobs.
What is the answer? Good question. What hasn’t been tried yet? We could lock 'em all up, maybe in camps with barbed wire and guard dogs and armed men in towers. That would get them off the streets.
If only there were some more sparsely-inhabited continents out there to “transport” our crazies and criminals to. Something like Australia or Georgia. I guess eventually we could send them to the moon.
These are all pretty costly solutions, though. Lock a crazy person up, and you kind of have to feed and clothe him too. That gets to be spendy. Unless you encourage cannibalism. Then the prison population problem and the feeding problem kind of take care of themselves.
I guess one solution would be to cordon off one section of every city, build a big wall around it, and make all the crazy people live there. You’d force them to wear some sort of insignia on their clothing identifying them as members of the mentally unstable community. Something eye-catching, like a yellow star, would work. Any crazy person found outside of their area would, of course, be shot. The only issue with this is if you allow male crazy people and female crazy people to share habitat, they will inevitably breed more crazy people. So sterilization must be seriously considered.
There’s only one big problem with all of these ideas, and that is, how do we define “mentally unstable?” By the standards of the DSM-V, you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find anyone without some mental disorder or another. And the environmental toxins we ingest just makes us even more so. My prediction is that in the next fifty years half of the population is going to be locked up in the crazy camps, and the other half (who is only moderately less crazy) will be guarding them.
Hey, it’s a job, right?
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some of the stuff in the V is pretty jacked up. I know many professionals that wont use it and still refer to IV.[/quote]
Yeah, but those who profit from the patenting, manufacture, prescription and sale of antipsychotic and antidepressant pharmaceuticals absolutely love it, and hey, that’s what matters.
What’s his username?