What are some actual figures instead of vague qualifiers?
How much is your average “incel” earning? what is their education level?
I do not see many in shape, even modest earning men complaining about the lack of women. It is always out of shape, Cheeto stained, living at home, uneducated, etc.
Based on what?
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Unless they suddenly lose their job or are married and go through a divorce, this is not something that affects their quality of life or is felt year after year. It is an unfortunate reality.
The biggest recipients of the tax dollars are the elderly, sick and disabled. The poor and their children are at the bottom of the totem pole but, I am good with cutting/reducing all of it.
Bring receipts
This is public information.
Social security and Medicare/Medicaid take the largest chunk.
The poor account for less than 10%
right, and i trust your word on that, lol.
“anyone can get a receipt” is not the same thing as bringing a receipt.
I wonder if anyone has actually met or seen this internet-memed stereotype of a womanless man literally wearing a Cheetoh-stained shirt.
I don’t know.
Figures of what? Income?
Building and maintaining infrastructure, enforcing the law, fusing wires, putting out fires, and so on. Seems accountable to me.
It’s an indication of quality of life. Generally within that income range you can live in a relatively safe area, have your basic needs met, save for the future and still have disposable income to a varying degree depending on location. The specific number itself is not an arbitrary status symbol aside from social media influencers sidewalk interviewing party sluts late night.
The elderly are drawing their own contributions though (and getting ripped off as money is sequestered out to other people’s interests), technically the disabled and sick are too. They’re paid a percentage of their total social security eligibility (already artificially capped under investment profit) commensurate to their contribution over time as a ratio.
they essentially are taking distributions from an account at a maintenance level (not cannibalizing principle) so that their personal contributions continue to maintain themselves above the distribution payment.
The poor didn’t contribute. They’re just sucking the money from others.
So while the largest draw on SS may not be the poor, context of eligibility matters.
Closest thing I’ve ever seen was a door to door campaign job in college one semester.
I was in a rural area and knocked on a trailer door. Guy answered in his underwear and was probably 300+ pounds. Fat rolling down his body, hairy as fuck, horseshoe bald with an unkempt hair ring and I shit you not he had an old macaroni and cheese noodle dried in to his nipple hair. Maybe worse than Cheetos on a shirt.
Anyways, he was married with kids. lol.
Yep. I understand that. And it seems to be very heavily emphasized in dating culture etc. in the US.
Which is understandable since your society doesn’t really give much safety nets if things go south.
But maybe it’s kinda here too. We just don’t tie it to the income. People usually seek partners who have a proper job, not just for an income, but it’s a sign of stability and accountability.
We’re definitely a “flash cash to get ass” culture, and probably (definitely) should value other less tangible things more.
Like my one old girlfriend said: “Some peoples only taste is in their mouth”. She was fun. I was a broke ass motherfucker that was just coming up off of bottom, but she didn’t care.
Her dad owned a huge swath of very high value commercial property through the region and had a vacation home on a private island.
She left me for a horse.
If I had yanked her by a mouth full of hair and kicked her when she tried to hit me with the brush we’d probably still be together.
Yes, people here look at job title too. Different path to the same thing. And it can be or become about status once achieved but the underlying motivation is security. As you say, you have to earn your keep in the US. In the dating scene, women also often see professional success as an indication of motivation, capability, ambition etc cetera… in addition to a sense of security. Classic attractive qualities packaged in an observable way. At least by appearance.
As an aside, I would argue our poor live better than portrayed, but I don’t have strong feelings.
@EmilyQ Great post. I know what you’re talking about and see eye to eye 100% with what you wrote. I was writing to you while I was alone in my house last night, and uh, a little buzzed, and my post started to turn into a self-indulgent memoir that is too much for here. So I deleted it and saved it in a google doc.
The self-centeredness of people has been a huge problem for family life and marriage. I also don’t know what the hell people expect from flawed human beings, even flawed parents that did all they could for their kids in the way they knew how.
I too put a premium on morality. I don’t care what anyone says. There’s a right and wrong way to move about society and to conduct oneself. And I think some men who say, “I’m not into morality,” say it to appear like badasses, even though everyone can easily be put others into positions in which they would beg for other’s morality.
Don’t they go hand in hand. And yes, both sexes have acted badly in the past few decades. It was bound to happen once norms and codes of conduct were pushed aside.
It’s good to hear how well your children are doing.
Yes to this. I live on Long Island. Low six-figure salaries are necessary for just a modest middle-class lifestyle here.
Literal lulz to this. There’s a popular internet-memed line that one can hear in social commentary, “Guys rotting in their moms’ basement with Cheetos-stained underwear,” in reference to so-called NEET’s/incels.
I’m not surprised.
I’ve only had one bout of unemployment in all my years working, nine months if I recall correctly, because the place I worked at closed. Shortly after being laid off I met a woman from Match.com who lived about a ten-minute car ride from me, an actual recently-divorced “boss babe” who worked in Manhattan. We had a four-month fling in which we could not stop screwing each other that I wanted to turn serious, but she didn’t. I mean it wasn’t like I wasn’t going to work ever again, lol.
Then shortly after that some woman on the same site contacted me who wound up living down the block from me, another attractive boss babe who worked in Manhattan with the same name as the other one! And then another lust-fueled fling started. She found some older guy while this was going on and wound up marrying him.
I actually really liked these women, and was very sad for several weeks after the second one ended.
Maybe I am too old for knowing what’s exactly going on now in the sexual market, but because of these personal experiences, I have a hard time believing the mumbo jumbo about needing money simply to have so-called “casual sex” (which I no longer think is a thing and don’t recommend), which so many incels online seem to care about more than marriage. All one needs is attraction for that. And both women mentioned paid for dates, including an expensive one at a steakhouse for my birthday. I also have a hard time sympathizing with any of them who do not value marriage or relationships and just want to screw.
Yes.
We see the same thing on the forums in the “what is my potential” threads. I really think its tied to an insecurity or anxiety formed when we had the financial crash of '08-10. Millions of kids between the ages of 5 to 10 years old seeing everything they’ve ever known (home gone, family destroyed) get unceremoniously stripped from them.
I was wondering at the time how it was going to affect the kids as they grew up, and this insecurity seems like the most pronounced characteristic that I can put my finger on.
They all want to know that they’ll “win” before they get started, and make a bunch of excuses as to why its not worth it. Whether its work, women, weightlifting, and probably a lot of other pursuits that require a dedicated time and effort with no guarantees, they look at it from a distance and never go for it. Then group up and foment anger at the subject of their failure.
Just armchair speculation though. I cant think of any other really broadly shocking event that millions of people in that age range would have in common.
I think the kid also matters.
My mum would read allegories, share quotes, always try to teach a lesson.
it didn’t really work for me. I found them annoying and largely ignored it.
on the other hand, I think it worked for my brother because he always seemed to have a much better grasp morality and empathy.
I think that’s true about this extreme risk aversion and hesitance and willingness to deal with life happening to us versus us attempting to control all of it. They are scared of possible tight situations with no one coming to the rescue. Probably the covid era exacerbated it, but definitely it has been going on for some time, which I believe is because of living soft and coddled lives, myself included in that.
That is not how SS works. It is not a private account holding “your” money. It is a pay as you go system, and most get more out than they ever put in. If SS really worked like a personal account, the current generation wouldn’t be shit out of luck at retirement. and that is because the system depends on younger workers to fund older ones.
But that wasn’t even the point of the post. The point was that the poor are not draining some imaginary vault of money. They are not the reason incels can’t afford anything.
The highest earners pay the most in taxes. Their quality of life remains. Their taxes don’t suddenly jump by 10k every year eating away at their lifestyle. The issue for these individuals is that what they consider to be “middle class earnings” is not. They are just less poor. The poor know they are poor, incels don’t. They think they’re entitled to a higher standard of living because they were told that a college degree guaranteed success.
None of that is a tax issue. It’s a mismatch between earnings, expectations, and reality.
That is why I asked @Andrewgen_Receptors what can be done. I agree with those solutions and have posted many of them in the Trump Thread and what is it met with by most? Has/will any of it be implemented? In the past 50 yrs have things gotten better? Nope, just a slow decline. The majority of the posters in that thread have Trumps d*ck so far down their throats they think it is all sunshine and rainbows or the Dems fault. We have a govt. that is busy striking imaginary drug boats and covering up an elite pedophile ring run by Israel and intelligence agencies.
So, what is the option? No one is coming to save these incels. They have to adapt or die and many have chosen “death”.
-Make money
-Be in shape
-Groom yourself
I have not met any that are doing all 3. The majority of population do not make enough, are obese/overweight, and are walking around in joggers/yoga pants and crocs.
*I am just using incel as a guy that is “losing”.
