Now do incel
A guy who believes âNetflix and chillâ is an advanced dating technique that requires a flowchart.
I mean, they fuck dudes, so they have to be, right??
Three shifting definitions in order.
- A woman coined the portmanteau for involuntarily celibate. The definition was implied: someone who canât find a mate for six months and wants one, for whatever reason: shyness, lack of confidence, location, psychological condition, low status, homeliness, no luck, etc. A completely benign term. Probably most such people are OK people and this definition implies nothing pathological, although something might be wrong (eg, mental illness).
- The above, but also specifically a male, and one who gets on the Internet and says mean things about women and society and wallows in his misery and might even accept and take twisted pride in the term.
- Current definition: A man someone doesnât like.
So, by definition 1, most men have been incels at one point in life. Those who start screwing at thirteen and have females until they croak make up a small minority of men who are and were never incels.
Iâve been called an incel online as a husband with two kids, in one case several hours after hanky panky. Iâve also been told I wasnât an incel when I was an incel. So this term is now mostly meaningless. When I use the term I only go by definition 1.
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You seem to be abnormally focused on incels, masculinity, and toxic masculinity. I donât mean that to be criticism, just an observation.
This whole thread seems to have devolved, much like the fatherhood thread, into a discussion of what is masculine and what is not.
I think it is a cool discussion - it reflects to me the worst parts of my ego. Guys flex, girls flex - it is interesting.
Things are changing and the caveman mentality is becoming obsolete. Itâs difficult for a lot of guys that identify as cave men.
Ultimately, it will all shake out, and flexing on this website will get you nowhere.
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The issue here is that most of us genuinely do not believe it will âshake outâ. There is no reason to believe this.
Body counts and STDs are rising in young women.
Not in young men.
Birth rates are lowering by the year.
Age of first child is increasing.
Age of first home purchase is increasing (is 40yrs avg right now).
Womens mental disorders is skyrocketing (mens too, just not as badly).
Anywhere from a third to half of young men are lonely.
Mens suicide rate is increasing (and bringing awareness to this is often considered mysoginist, inexplicably, or you have to put the âits women tooâ disclaimer on it).
Things arenât okay, and theyâre not course-correcting. Theyâre accelerating in the wrong direction.
So weâre talking about it so we can try to fix this country before it collapses - because thatâs where itâs headed if we donât reverse this trend.
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Obsolete or extinct?
. I think itâs application dependent. Like in the attempted satire above, where I highlight how much emphasis men put on being right, capable and valuable both in establishing pecking order and going about the regular course of business (life).
The irony(to me) is that while its mostly very true and accurate, as a communication pattern- women by and large despise it.
Especially when anything is prefaced with âLook here, sugarbritchesâŠâ. 
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Im gonna try this tonight and see how it goes.
Wouldnât be the first time Iâve been stabbed. Probably wont be the last
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Does she even care if she doesnât stab you?
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Nah, she wouldnât care. Being a mild iritance to her is how she knows I like her.
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This is actually my litmus test.
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Itâs interesting you frame gender as a devolution, especially while referencing a Fatherhood thread that has a strong female presence in it. A little ironic, but probably low key intentional snark on your part.
Iâm not sure how old you are, but if itâs early thirties or younger, you should know what youâve seen isnât the norm. Gender bending ideology, officially accepted incorrect application of science and culturally supported perversions are new, but theyâre also starting to fade. Older generations watched nature devolve in to what can only be described as a collective experimental era, and new generation so far appears to be turned off by it and reverting back to biological and cultural norms.
What is shaking out is unsustainable forced ideology. Iâm not sure what you mean specifically by âcavemanâ ideology but Iâm guessing itâs basically anything thatâs not gay or doesnât fit the DEI narrative of yesteryear.
Anecdotally, I am a father of a 1st grade girl. She already exhibits what can only be described as feminine characteristics in thought, action, emotional expression and processing and world view as she asks questions and give glimpses.
She has cousins and friends the same age who are boys and the opposite is undeniably observably true, except for one kid who might be gay. I guess time will tell.
And what is most interesting in this context is that this has been true for a few years, at an age where sexuality, gender and roles are not front and center of anything. They just kind of naturally are who they are, unencumbered by tertiary ideology, and there are clear lines between boy and girl.
Ideology will never sink nature, but counterculture always fades.
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Interesting. So GenZ passive aggression for âloserâ or ânerdâ.
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Pretty much.
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Focusing on male issues is not the norm considering most men donât care about them, or at least, donât vocalize concern. My interest is unusually high, outside of the norm. However, mainstream talking heads such as Chris Williamson, Scott Galloway, Obama, Tucker Carlson, Richard Reeves, Diary of A CEO, and Rob Henderson have decided to arrive late to the subject⊠but only to the line of scrimmage.
I have had three TN members contact me through the years about their personal, specifically-male issues, simply to talk another man who expressed interest in such issues and who gives a shit about men generally.
I think Iâve mentioned âtoxic masculinityâ a grand total of two times on this site, one of which was in jest in this thread.
Iâll speak for myself here. Most of my posts in the fatherhood thread are about the divorce regime and the fatherless crisis.
Iâm not one to talk about what a so-called âreal manâ is nor do I think much of the term âmanâs manâ or consider myself one. But I do believe, as Dr. Stephen Baskerville said in an interview, âmen are in serious troubleâ.
What is such a mentality? Do men in significant number have it?
I have yet to see anyone in here âflexâ.
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All joking aside, expand on this a bit. It seems to have caught everyoneâs eye. What is the caveman mentality and how is it becoming obsolete?
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Ive read a few books that talk about this, so its not garbage, but id like to hear his words on it⊠its hard to say the things he said and also believe caveman brain is obsolete (it is, or is at least deleterious to ones sexual interests in the modern day).
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According to a lot of modern women⊠men are the most dangerous thing since the Plague⊠they choose the Bear, rememberâŠbut they also do everything they can to provoke menâŠ. seem suspect⊠consistently inconsistent
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That strategy works quite well if they find you attractive enough
Heâs a good dude, actually. truly cares about the struggles men face, many of which come from the toxic feminine hive mind. Of course he will address those things
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