Men and Women, Women and Men

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@marine77

If men and women are wholly equal… Why don’t we let women compete against men in sports ? Or combat arms ? We never hear the male feminist worms moaning about the lack of men in certain female dominated fields.

I’d like to address this with a post that I made earlier:

@flappinit

Feminism is defined as “the advocacy of women’s rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.”. Anybody who uses feminism as a method of elevating women ABOVE men and not AT their level has perverted the term, and is not a feminist. I understand that certain incels lurking on here are overflowing with glee at the idea of trans women shitting on women due to their heightened strength levels because it seems like poetic justice, but equality of sexes is about equality IN SPITE OF OUR DIFFERENCES. Women and men are different. Women aren’t asking men to bleed from their dicks once a month or give birth, and they’re not asking to physically compete with us. They just want their ideas and bodies to be treated with the same level of importance as we would assign our own. If a man wants to identify as a woman, fine. But if biological identity differs from psychological identity, then those people crossing over should realize that biological makeup determines winners in strength sports, not psychological makeup. Thus, it is up to trans athletes to have the self-awareness not to compete against biologically disadvantaged opponents.

That post addresses trans athletes competing across gender divides, which I generally disagree with - and we probably agree there, but it also addresses that the idea of equality does not have to do with ‘lets play a sport where I have a genetic advantage and see how equal we are then’. That’s like a woman asking a man to breastfeed the baby to make things equal. Silly, right?

I was in the Marines too - 0311, so I understand where you’re coming from regarding combat arms, but again, I just wanted to reiterate the idea of ‘equality in spite of our differences’. We are different, so the equality would extend to things that can be equal. We cannot be physically equal (on average), so discussing equality with regards to sports, and combat is silly. I’m a feminist, but I was certainly against women coming into our infantry platoon, for the simple reason that when I was in, I was 220 and carrying minimum 60 lbs, so I need to know you can drag, carry, or at least move almost 3 bills of dead weight if you’re going to be watching my back.

I’m not someone who’s planted on either sides of the fence here, but I believe in the ideas of equal pay, equal opportunities, and equal treatment, and while feminism and people saying crazy shit may be all over the internet and media, the amount of vile stuff spewed about women on message boards like this, and social media, and 4chan/reddit/other shitty parts of the web show what people are really thinking.

Finally, with regards to women complaining about a lack of men in female dominated fields, those fields are usually women dominated because those are the jobs that women were relegated to when men had more say in society, so we’re in a bit of a conundrum, since men have mostly decided what jobs they wanted women to do in the first place.