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[quote]harrypotter wrote:
And then we have the shaming articles asking why guys prefer porn, PUA and games when it comes down to commitment. So women dont need men? Sounds like somebody got blasted in the face by one too many athletes during her prime.[/quote]
You’re icky. Probably the ickiest poster on TNation, and that’s saying a lot.
That’s why women don’t like you, not because of the feminist movement.[/quote]
Ah, the creep move in combination with “I bet you never get laid”…
Did I mention that we have a list?
Seriously, we do. [/quote]
This:
It’s nasty! It’s nasty and hostile and awful! Do you suggest that this is a man deserving of a nice woman? He IS creepy! Do you defend these statements he’s made as honorable?[/quote]
No, but that was just aggressive and vulgar, not creepy.
There are other posters at the moment who I would consider to be creepy.
Also HP, knew Emilies post history even somewhat you would know that her HS football team has very, very, very, likely never run a train on her.
Thats just misplaced anger…[/quote]
Going back to this - what you should both understand is that my HS football team wouldn’t even have noticed me. At that time I was an awkward nearsighted girl. People who knew me knew I was fun, and some boys thought I was pretty, but that wouldn’t have been the jock types. They didn’t even see me. They were chasing the hot, flirty girls.
The problem with your system is that it rejects the very girls it claims don’t exist. You want to chase the 16-year-olds with manicures and clothes from Victoria’s Secret who chase football players, that’s fine. But speaking for the sixteen-year-old girls who had their noses buried in the 1200-page Shogun, I will tell you that you’re not of interest to us after you get tired of chasing shallow ass and want to have babies with someone nice who likes adventure stories with a lot of smutty parts.
It’s a two way street. You don’t seem to understand that we’re out there. We just don’t want the boys who wanted those girls, who wanted hotter boys. ALL of you are/were shallow, and all of you are becoming disenchanted/bitter. Yet you continue to chase that girl, from the sounds of it.
We library girls can do better.[/quote]
No you cant.
I had read every James Clavell novel by then and then some.
Plus, with my nice guy ways you would have rejected me regardless.
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Why would I have? I don’t think so. I went from a nice guy long term boyfriend (two of them actually, moving back and forth between parents) to a nice guy husband (meh, sort of) (he was less beta than the boys I dated) (the beta-est of whom I almost married).
My ex-boyfriend, the one I can barely keep myself from running back to, has a master’s degree in what is possibly THE dweebiest discipline on earth. I’ve been over this: my height or a little shorter, broke, swears less than me, has Ben Franklin glasses, etc. No one would ever look at him and think “bad boy” or “alpha.” But I found him absolutely intoxicating, EVEN THOUGH he always did the dishes. But not because he had to to get sex, just because I generally cooked and that was his fair trade. Plus we wanted to get it out of the way so we could go have sex. I put away food while he did and made the next day’s coffee. When we went camping I made sandwiches and breakfast while he loaded the truck. No one treated anyone like shit, until the stress and his desire to move home became an issue.
Maybe your nice guy ways were offensive in some way, or struck girls as being oily, I don’t know. But I feel that all of the guys I’ve been close to have been varying blends of nice guys and awful, like most people. All have been very generous with me, to the degree they were able. But I’m very generous and affectionate, too. It’s nice to be nice. (Did you know that?)
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God, did you never meet a guy who just did not “get it”?
Could you please explain to me why suddenly guys who did not “get it” started to pile up?
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I don’t know. Who were you chasing? I think that’s where your answer lie. Because if you were clean and reasonably good looking and you said to me at 16 that you loved James Clavell, my face would have lit with delight.
But I don’t think you would have said that to me, because “hot” is not my superpower. Kind is. Smart, maybe. Interested, curious, funny. But you’d have to bother talking to me to know any of that. At some point I became a little hot, maybe, in my late teens, early 20s. But that didn’t make me want to have sex with shallow, uncaring men. lol [/quote]
Emily, I would have tried to befriend you so as to get to know you better and build intimacy and whatnot so that you would see I was different and whatnot…
Doomed from the start…
The emergency stop for the female libido…
I would have been such a special friend until you would have found someone to give it to you good, then I would have been discarded.
Given that this was the late 80s, early 90s, what was in the air back then?
Who sold me that rotten fruit?
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God you’re cynical. You and Emily are overanalyzing this. There are PLENTY of quality, single people out there that are looking for some semblance of a relationship. After all, you guys are single, right?
Orion, referring to women as “cock hoppers”, “cum buckets”, “sluts”, and plethora of other derogatory terms only reinforces your current position - bitter and single. You can exclaim that you just don’t care but I call your bluff.
You need to put yourself out there, let down your guard, be positive, and be free of expectations. Just see what happens…
No, nobody NEEDS another person but it sure can be nice being with another person. 
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They may be over analyzing it but you are over simplifying it. You’re already married and out of the game so your perspective is screwed in a different way.
I go out all of the time with a positive attitude and few expectations and know where it gets me? I get laid. Sex is good but honestly, I’m ready for a little more. I’m in my mid 30s and I’m getting a little tired of my bachelor life style.
I want what you have and I’m pissed that I can’t figure out how the fuck to get it.
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maybe… just maybe… you’re giving off the wrong vibe by going out and fucking every night.
Maybe, just maybe, you should not fuck, and see where a 2 month long conversation with a female leads you.
gasssp
edit: I realize I can come off as rude because I don’t elaborate on my thought process but here, I will clarify for once:
Women are a lot smarter than they let us know. A lot of the time, women sense our bullshit before we even spew it out. Then, we think we are so fucking awesome, because we didn’t get called out on it at the time, but guess what, they still figured it out but simply didn’t acknowledge it to you, leaving you with an impression that everything you say is ‘awesome’.
I think it’s been said many times before in the thread, you can easily be identified by a woman as a potential sex-m8 for the night, but nothing else.
In your mind, if you are getting laid a lot, why aren’t I being identified as a suitable long-term partner? Well the answer has been given, because women have a clear distinction between the two.
Basically, IF you are having huge issues finding a long-term relationship, it’s because YOU are not long-term material at the moment. Obviously, you might still be, but might be giving off a different vibe. It’s up to you to make the necessary changes, whether it’s to your actual personality or just to the perception you give off.
In my experience, finding someone who wants to be with you long-term is very easy because that is exactly what a majority of people yearn for anyways, right? But I might be biased because both parts, sex and relationships, have came naturally to me so everything I’ve mentioned is with that point-of-view in mind. [/quote]
I doubt I’ve ever given off the vibe that I’ve wanted a long term relationship. Overall though you seem to be giving sound advice. 2 months though bro? That seems a bit excessive. I think may be it is where I’m trying to pick up chicks. I mostly have been htting on them in bars and clubs.
