Men afraid of commitment?

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I stopped off for a glass of wine and some making out with the new guy, who will soon become a bit of a long distance thing (an hour).[/quote]
Okay so I’m only 25, and this made me wonder.

Do people at your age still just “make out”? I thought by now no one was a virgin so it like wasn’t a big deal and we could just go straight to sex.

Do I still have to deal with like the make out phase and then move on to hand stuff and then mouth stuff and THEN sex? At what age do women just cut to the chase?[/quote]
hahahahhahahhaahhhahhahahahaaha
Dude you have a lot to learn about women

EVERYTHING is about building up to the sex

master the hand, mouth stuff and you will be a God[/quote]
Oh trust me I’m a master of mouth stuff. My hands are too rough from deadlifts to be good for anything womanly though.[/quote]
Then you are doing it wrong with your hands.

Again its about build up

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I stopped off for a glass of wine and some making out with the new guy, who will soon become a bit of a long distance thing (an hour).[/quote]

Okay so I’m only 25, and this made me wonder.

Do people at your age still just “make out”? I thought by now no one was a virgin so it like wasn’t a big deal and we could just go straight to sex.

Do I still have to deal with like the make out phase and then move on to hand stuff and then mouth stuff and THEN sex? At what age do women just cut to the chase?[/quote]

A lot of women cut right to the chase, so if you want that you can have it. I’m not sexually promiscuous, which means that I sort of want to know someone first. That said, the guy in question is out of town a lot, or was, so there was a two week absence after the first kiss and before the second. Things were moving along, but first there was no birth control, then I had to freak out and skitter backward because I wasn’t sure, so we didn’t see each other for a bit and then - yeah.

Tonight’s make out session had more to do with that I was stopping by after my interview only briefly because he has work to do tonight and is leaving early in the morning.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I stopped off for a glass of wine and some making out with the new guy, who will soon become a bit of a long distance thing (an hour).[/quote]
Okay so I’m only 25, and this made me wonder.

Do people at your age still just “make out”? I thought by now no one was a virgin so it like wasn’t a big deal and we could just go straight to sex.

Do I still have to deal with like the make out phase and then move on to hand stuff and then mouth stuff and THEN sex? At what age do women just cut to the chase?[/quote]

I have to admit that I’ve been a bit surprised that Em is still “making out,” too. I mean, she’s a social worker, right?

But I guess our Em’s just a bit more old-fashioned than most. Nothing wrong with that.

And to answer your question, in my experience most women are cutting to the chase by their early 30’s or so.[/quote]

I don’t feel that I HAVE to be in a relationship to have sex (and I had a fling after my marriage ended), I’m an adult and can do what I want, but my preference is for sex with someone I can safely attach to. Because I will, once sex comes into it.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I stopped off for a glass of wine and some making out with the new guy, who will soon become a bit of a long distance thing (an hour).[/quote]
Okay so I’m only 25, and this made me wonder.

Do people at your age still just “make out”? I thought by now no one was a virgin so it like wasn’t a big deal and we could just go straight to sex.

Do I still have to deal with like the make out phase and then move on to hand stuff and then mouth stuff and THEN sex? At what age do women just cut to the chase?[/quote]

Also (was thinking about this as I woke this morning) I think some of the glacial pace of things has more to do with timing and my extrication from the last relationship than in being old fashioned. When we picked things back up I was broken up with the boyfriend, but there were still all sorts of lingering uncertainties, so I wasn’t willing to offer more than “friends,” which i made clear was up to him to either tolerate or not. He knew my breakup was recent.

So we were hanging out, hiking, doing friends stuff, and then at some point the breakup with the ex became solid and the new guy and I were still just hanging out and exchanging emails throughout the work day and so on, and while he was making fairly regular flirty or overtly sexual comments in email, nothing was happening in person. Like, NOTHING. And then it finally occurred to me that he was waiting for me to make the move, since I’d set the parameters. So, okay. But it took me a couple of hanging out times to figure out about kissing someone else, because I’d never had to do that part before, and people don’t necessarily stay still so you can work your way around to it. Awkwardness ensued. So then I finally managed to get the thing done and he left town.

And now here we are. It really is not that I need to date someone for months or years before going beyond kissing. lol

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Also (was thinking about this as I woke this morning) I think some of the glacial pace of things has more to do with timing and my extrication from the last relationship than in being old fashioned. When we picked things back up I was broken up with the boyfriend, but there were still all sorts of lingering uncertainties, so I wasn’t willing to offer more than “friends,” which i made clear was up to him to either tolerate or not. He knew my breakup was recent.

So we were hanging out, hiking, doing friends stuff, and then at some point the breakup with the ex became solid and the new guy and I were still just hanging out and exchanging emails throughout the work day and so on, and while he was making fairly regular flirty or overtly sexual comments in email, nothing was happening in person. Like, NOTHING. And then it finally occurred to me that he was waiting for me to make the move, since I’d set the parameters. So, okay. But it took me a couple of hanging out times to figure out about kissing someone else, because I’d never had to do that part before, and people don’t necessarily stay still so you can work your way around to it. Awkwardness ensued. So then I finally managed to get the thing done and he left town.

And now here we are. It really is not that I need to date someone for months or years before going beyond kissing. lol[/quote]

I must be a prude because it doesn’t sound like you are taking things abnormally slow, IMO.

Oh, and congrats on the job!

[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Also (was thinking about this as I woke this morning) I think some of the glacial pace of things has more to do with timing and my extrication from the last relationship than in being old fashioned. When we picked things back up I was broken up with the boyfriend, but there were still all sorts of lingering uncertainties, so I wasn’t willing to offer more than “friends,” which i made clear was up to him to either tolerate or not. He knew my breakup was recent.

So we were hanging out, hiking, doing friends stuff, and then at some point the breakup with the ex became solid and the new guy and I were still just hanging out and exchanging emails throughout the work day and so on, and while he was making fairly regular flirty or overtly sexual comments in email, nothing was happening in person. Like, NOTHING. And then it finally occurred to me that he was waiting for me to make the move, since I’d set the parameters. So, okay. But it took me a couple of hanging out times to figure out about kissing someone else, because I’d never had to do that part before, and people don’t necessarily stay still so you can work your way around to it. Awkwardness ensued. So then I finally managed to get the thing done and he left town.

And now here we are. It really is not that I need to date someone for months or years before going beyond kissing. lol[/quote]

I must be a prude because it doesn’t sound like you are taking things abnormally slow, IMO.

Oh, and congrats on the job! [/quote]

Thank you! Because I was starting to feel like a freak in here. But we’ve only moved into a not-just-friends place recently. Well, I guess he was already there. (Last year, lol.)

And thank you also for the job congrats. I gave my notice today. It sucked, but not as badly as it might have if my boss wasn’t hoping to join me at the new place when there’s an opening.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Also (was thinking about this as I woke this morning) I think some of the glacial pace of things has more to do with timing and my extrication from the last relationship than in being old fashioned. When we picked things back up I was broken up with the boyfriend, but there were still all sorts of lingering uncertainties, so I wasn’t willing to offer more than “friends,” which i made clear was up to him to either tolerate or not. He knew my breakup was recent.

So we were hanging out, hiking, doing friends stuff, and then at some point the breakup with the ex became solid and the new guy and I were still just hanging out and exchanging emails throughout the work day and so on, and while he was making fairly regular flirty or overtly sexual comments in email, nothing was happening in person. Like, NOTHING. And then it finally occurred to me that he was waiting for me to make the move, since I’d set the parameters. So, okay. But it took me a couple of hanging out times to figure out about kissing someone else, because I’d never had to do that part before, and people don’t necessarily stay still so you can work your way around to it. Awkwardness ensued. So then I finally managed to get the thing done and he left town.

And now here we are. It really is not that I need to date someone for months or years before going beyond kissing. lol[/quote]

Yeah, just take your time and do what makes you happy. I wouldn’t go licking carpet just because some dude was mean. Take your time, enjoy life and if you don’t want to be hooked up, than don’t be. Go have fun. Plenty of time for relationships. Relationships are a pain in the ass, so don’t have one unless that is what you want. Otherwise go do something that makes you happy. It’s seems clear that your not really into this new one. Otherwise you’d be on the proverbial cloud 9, and you don’t have to settle. If you settle, just to be in a relationship, you will never really be happy. Be happy first, if some dude comes along great if not who cares?

I took 2+ years off from women when I was younger. It was the funnest, most carefree, enjoyable time of my life. I had a great time and I never had anyone nagging me… If you ain’t into the poor bastard, cut him loose. Fuck it, enjoy life. Some dude will come and mow you down soon enough.

All us good men are taken anyway. :wink:

[quote]pat wrote:
I wouldn’t go licking carpet just because some dude was mean. Relationships are a pain in the ass,

I took 2+ years off from women when I was younger. :wink: [/quote]

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
I wouldn’t go licking carpet just because some dude was mean. Relationships are a pain in the ass,

I took 2+ years off from women when I was younger. :wink: [/quote]
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OnEdge, you have a dirty mind.

Obviously, I approve.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
I wouldn’t go licking carpet just because some dude was mean. Relationships are a pain in the ass,

I took 2+ years off from women when I was younger. :wink: [/quote]
[/quote]

OnEdge, you have a dirty mind.

Obviously, I approve. [/quote]

I’m glad you approve but now I’m pissed off because I thought I had yet another thread kill in the bag.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Also (was thinking about this as I woke this morning) I think some of the glacial pace of things has more to do with timing and my extrication from the last relationship than in being old fashioned. When we picked things back up I was broken up with the boyfriend, but there were still all sorts of lingering uncertainties, so I wasn’t willing to offer more than “friends,” which i made clear was up to him to either tolerate or not. He knew my breakup was recent.

So we were hanging out, hiking, doing friends stuff, and then at some point the breakup with the ex became solid and the new guy and I were still just hanging out and exchanging emails throughout the work day and so on, and while he was making fairly regular flirty or overtly sexual comments in email, nothing was happening in person. Like, NOTHING. And then it finally occurred to me that he was waiting for me to make the move, since I’d set the parameters. So, okay. But it took me a couple of hanging out times to figure out about kissing someone else, because I’d never had to do that part before, and people don’t necessarily stay still so you can work your way around to it. Awkwardness ensued. So then I finally managed to get the thing done and he left town.

And now here we are. It really is not that I need to date someone for months or years before going beyond kissing. lol[/quote]

Yeah, just take your time and do what makes you happy. I wouldn’t go licking carpet just because some dude was mean. Take your time, enjoy life and if you don’t want to be hooked up, than don’t be. Go have fun. Plenty of time for relationships. Relationships are a pain in the ass, so don’t have one unless that is what you want. Otherwise go do something that makes you happy. It’s seems clear that your not really into this new one. Otherwise you’d be on the proverbial cloud 9, and you don’t have to settle. If you settle, just to be in a relationship, you will never really be happy. Be happy first, if some dude comes along great if not who cares?

I took 2+ years off from women when I was younger. It was the funnest, most carefree, enjoyable time of my life. I had a great time and I never had anyone nagging me… If you ain’t into the poor bastard, cut him loose. Fuck it, enjoy life. Some dude will come and mow you down soon enough.

All us good men are taken anyway. ;)[/quote]

What is licking carpet? I’m not sure I know what that means. Unless it’s my lesbianism connected to the mean guy? I guess that must be it, now that I think about it. Okay, good advice. Thank you.

I think I do like the new guy a lot. Cloud Nine is easy for me, I think I may spend too much time there. So I’m trying to be more mindful. And I worry about getting hurt, because I’m having a hard time predicting/reading things with this one and that makes me uncomfortable. I’m used to my usual sort of guy and this is a different sort, but that’s what I’m looking for, so we’ll see over time. No rush.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
What is licking carpet? I’m not sure I know what that means. Unless it’s my lesbianism connected to the mean guy?
[/quote]

Licking carpet refers to the act of performing cunnilingus, especially on a woman with an unshaven mons pubis. Something Pat would not do just because he broke up with a mean guy.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
When we picked things back up I was broken up with the boyfriend, but there were still all sorts of lingering uncertainties, so I wasn’t willing to offer more than “friends,” which i made clear was up to him to either tolerate or not. He knew my breakup was recent…

…Like, NOTHING. And then it finally occurred to me that he was waiting for me to make the move, since I’d set the parameters. So, okay. But it took me a couple of hanging out times to figure out about kissing someone else, because I’d never had to do that part before, and people don’t necessarily stay still so you can work your way around to it. Awkwardness ensued. So then I finally managed to get the thing done and he left town.
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How much of your epiphany is owed to being on this site?

Because somehow that is not only fair and decent, but also voiced in terms that a man can understand.

That is not something that comes naturally, so you must have picked it up somewhere.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
What is licking carpet? I’m not sure I know what that means. Unless it’s my lesbianism connected to the mean guy?
[/quote]

Licking carpet refers to the act of performing cunnilingus, especially on a woman with an unshaven mons pubis. Something Pat would not do just because he broke up with a mean guy. [/quote]

Well, in Pats defense, Rick was all big, burly and hung like a moose and who could compare with a guy like that.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
What is licking carpet? I’m not sure I know what that means. Unless it’s my lesbianism connected to the mean guy?
[/quote]

Licking carpet refers to the act of performing cunnilingus, especially on a woman with an unshaven mons pubis. Something Pat would not do just because he broke up with a mean guy. [/quote]

Pat has firm convictions. I admire that.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
When we picked things back up I was broken up with the boyfriend, but there were still all sorts of lingering uncertainties, so I wasn’t willing to offer more than “friends,” which i made clear was up to him to either tolerate or not. He knew my breakup was recent…

…Like, NOTHING. And then it finally occurred to me that he was waiting for me to make the move, since I’d set the parameters. So, okay. But it took me a couple of hanging out times to figure out about kissing someone else, because I’d never had to do that part before, and people don’t necessarily stay still so you can work your way around to it. Awkwardness ensued. So then I finally managed to get the thing done and he left town.
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How much of your epiphany is owed to being on this site?

Because somehow that is not only fair and decent, but also voiced in terms that a man can understand.

That is not something that comes naturally, so you must have picked it up somewhere. [/quote]

What?? This all goes against everything you say to do! You’ve already labeled him a beta orbiter, would tear him apart for allowing me to friend-zone him if he were here, and t-man alpha wisdom holds that men should always be sexually aggressive.

Although he sort of was, I suppose, in a patient way. We had the above conversation (which may be what you’re referring to) because he asked, not because I went there without prompting. Or I suppose I had, but only vaguely.

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
I wouldn’t go licking carpet just because some dude was mean. Relationships are a pain in the ass,

I took 2+ years off from women when I was younger. :wink: [/quote]
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lol