[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
no way he was a mastermind or insane (that is, at least in the beginning of his reign).
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I agree and I disagree… He wasn’t a mastermind, but he was intelligent (genius, no, just intelligent). He was however, mentally ill. Just like Stalin.
Hitler also had Parkinson’s disease, didn’t he?
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Also, Engels, Marx, and co. should have anticipated what someone with evil intent might do with their system. They had the capacity to know. GUILTY.
Nothing even close to Marx or Engel’s system has been put into practice. This is like blaming Christianity for the Jewish massacres during the crusades. [/quote]
What happens if you establish a society based upon the following premise: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs?
We’ve seen the results. How could geniuses of the first rank (Marx) not foreseen the possibilty?
Guilty, and beyond forgiveness.
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
no way he was a mastermind or insane (that is, at least in the beginning of his reign).
I agree and I disagree… He wasn’t a mastermind, but he was intelligent (genius, no, just intelligent). He was however, mentally ill. Just like Stalin.
Hitler also had Parkinson’s disease, didn’t he?
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Yes. Some historians belive he struck east before Germany was truly prepared because he thought he’d die soon. He wanted to firmly establish the 3rd Reich before his death.
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I guess that all of his fans listened to him because they WHERE smart enough to decipher the English language in conversation form. Sorry you could not appreciate my addition to your post. Let me stick to the topic NO I HAVE NEVER READ MEIN KAMPF. Get a brain or use the one you are neglecting.[/quote]
OK, all is forgiven. I guess I can appreciate a post that has no relevance whatsoever to my original question. Or, on second thought, maybe I can’t.
You get the “WTF were you talking about award”
Nice work.
Maybe T-Nation can come up with a new thread topic…
Maybe “Out of the Blue Babbling”. There you can just type away!
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
alstan90 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The US has no intention of banning the book.
It is banned in parts of Europe.
Your kneejerk anti-US reactions show in almost every post.
The truth is that the U.S was never occupied during the war, had that not been so, the book would have been banned a long time ago. The book is banned in Germany and other countries such as the czech republic, all of whom suffered immensely.
And heck, im not anti U.S. I am anti republican, and anti George Bush, though. If I was anti American I wouldn’t be on an American site, often taking advice from Americans. And if their is one good thing im going to point out now, the gyms you have over their piss all over most of the ones found throughout Europe, especially in the U.K. All ours are targeted at middle aged- menopausal women, who are on slimfast.
I gotta call bullshit on that one. Name one book banned in the US under any circumstances. Our rights to free speech, etc., trump any sensitivity to historical suffering by this country or any material that would be politically incorrect. I challenge you to name one single book in the US that is banned. Heck, we have magazines devoted to drugs (high times) and drugs are verboten here…to wit, there is a “war” against drugs in the US lol.
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These are books that are or have been banned in the U.S. so to answer your question, it was not much of a challenge.
I quote, of an internet site:
"An all too common pastime in the United States is banning books. Sad, frightening – and far too frequent. Who bans books? Libraries, schools, entire towns, and sometimes, in the past, the United States government.
Banning books isn’t something that was done centuries or decades ago. It happens nearly every week somewhere in the United States. Often people take notice of banned books, protest, and the proscription is lifted. Sometimes nobody notices and the banned book stays lost to a school or country.
Naturally, everyone expects that a literary agency would be opposed to censorship and banning books. And that’s absolutely true – as a profession. literary agents are appalled by censorship. (Although there’s nothing quite like banning or threatening to ban a book to increase that book’s sales.) Censorship in all forms must be opposed.
Censorship in the United States is an old pastime and new hobby of the feebleminded. In January 1997 a Minneapolis, Minnesota parent inspired an investigation of whether R.L. Stine’s Goosebumps should be banned in the school library because it is too scary for children. Never mind that there are 180 million copies of Goosebumps in print --not a hard book for a child to obtain-- this library’s nine copies might be dangerous.
James Joyce’s Ulysses was prohibited from the United States, and the U.S. Postal Service actually seized copies between 1918 and 1930. The U.S. Postal and Customs Departments have been actively involved in seizing and banning numerous books including Voltaire’s Candide, Aristophanes’s Lysistrata, Jean-Jacque Rousseau’s Confessions, and Chaucer’s Canterbury’s Tales. Locally, schools and school districts have banned Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night and The Merchant of Venice, and Little Red Riding Hood. States have been vigorous censorship advocates, as well: Anyone familiar with the history of banning books knows about Tennessee’s efforts to bar the teaching of Darwin’s Origin of the Species.
The following list of books banned in the United States is by no means comprehensive.
Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth
You want to take that back now?
[quote]derek wrote:
OK, all is forgiven. I guess I can appreciate a post that has no relevance whatsoever to my original question. Or, on second thought, maybe I can’t.
You get the “WTF were you talking about award”
Nice work.
Maybe T-Nation can come up with a new thread topic…
Maybe “Out of the Blue Babbling”. There you can just type away!
[/quote]
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Were the books in the list above banned by the Federal government? I know that schools, religious libraries, and so forth do this all the time. I think the comparison is meant to mean country-wide banning.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Were the books in the list above banned by the Federal government? I know that schools, religious libraries, and so forth do this all the time. I think the comparison is meant to mean country-wide banning.[/quote]
Ill quote a bit off the website…
“An all too common pastime in the United States is banning books. Sad, frightening – and far too frequent. Who bans books? Libraries, schools, entire towns, and sometimes, in the past, THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT”
All books are legal in the US.
Some school libraries and public libraries may decide not to carry them but that does not make them banned from society.
The term banned book is used to inflame and imply that the books are not legal.
Don’t fall for the bullshit.
[quote]alstan90 wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
alstan90 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The US has no intention of banning the book.
It is banned in parts of Europe.
Your kneejerk anti-US reactions show in almost every post.
The truth is that the U.S was never occupied during the war, had that not been so, the book would have been banned a long time ago. The book is banned in Germany and other countries such as the czech republic, all of whom suffered immensely.
And heck, im not anti U.S. I am anti republican, and anti George Bush, though. If I was anti American I wouldn’t be on an American site, often taking advice from Americans. And if their is one good thing im going to point out now, the gyms you have over their piss all over most of the ones found throughout Europe, especially in the U.K. All ours are targeted at middle aged- menopausal women, who are on slimfast.
I gotta call bullshit on that one. Name one book banned in the US under any circumstances. Our rights to free speech, etc., trump any sensitivity to historical suffering by this country or any material that would be politically incorrect. I challenge you to name one single book in the US that is banned. Heck, we have magazines devoted to drugs (high times) and drugs are verboten here…to wit, there is a “war” against drugs in the US lol.
These are books that are or have been banned in the U.S. so to answer your question, it was not much of a challenge.
I quote, of an internet site:
"An all too common pastime in the United States is banning books. Sad, frightening – and far too frequent. Who bans books? Libraries, schools, entire towns, and sometimes, in the past, the United States government.
Banning books isn’t something that was done centuries or decades ago. It happens nearly every week somewhere in the United States. Often people take notice of banned books, protest, and the proscription is lifted. Sometimes nobody notices and the banned book stays lost to a school or country.
Naturally, everyone expects that a literary agency would be opposed to censorship and banning books. And that’s absolutely true – as a profession. literary agents are appalled by censorship. (Although there’s nothing quite like banning or threatening to ban a book to increase that book’s sales.) Censorship in all forms must be opposed.
Censorship in the United States is an old pastime and new hobby of the feebleminded. In January 1997 a Minneapolis, Minnesota parent inspired an investigation of whether R.L. Stine’s Goosebumps should be banned in the school library because it is too scary for children. Never mind that there are 180 million copies of Goosebumps in print --not a hard book for a child to obtain-- this library’s nine copies might be dangerous.
James Joyce’s Ulysses was prohibited from the United States, and the U.S. Postal Service actually seized copies between 1918 and 1930. The U.S. Postal and Customs Departments have been actively involved in seizing and banning numerous books including Voltaire’s Candide, Aristophanes’s Lysistrata, Jean-Jacque Rousseau’s Confessions, and Chaucer’s Canterbury’s Tales. Locally, schools and school districts have banned Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night and The Merchant of Venice, and Little Red Riding Hood. States have been vigorous censorship advocates, as well: Anyone familiar with the history of banning books knows about Tennessee’s efforts to bar the teaching of Darwin’s Origin of the Species.
The following list of books banned in the United States is by no means comprehensive.
Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth
You want to take that back now?[/quote]
I would expect more of a reply than a mere plagiarism of a web site. Sure, books are banned all the time - locally and privately. Please name the books banned by the Country i.e. the US Government?
Name them please.
[quote]vangorilla wrote:
Yeah you know about the books being banned in certain countries, thats just Bullshit.
These people who are so set on fighting the “bad people” of the world and fighting the Nazis and what not, are the same ones, it turns out, who want to ban things and restrict freedoms sometimes more so than the Nazi’s did. The only difference is that its under the guise of a different political scheme.
So instead of supporting Nationalism (Which when not taken overbaord is a good thing IMO) they basically make any display of National Pride looked down upon and discouraged. They bully religion (again when not taken to extremes gives allot of people meaning and drive in their lives…aside from being of historical and cultural value)
Instead of making it a one country one race system like Hitler did they flood the borders with cheap labor and races/cultures of all sorts without discretion, which only leads to more aggravation from all people inviolved.
Sorry if this seems overboard or out of place, but just saying that some of the solutions to the nationalist/racist “problems” that people have are worse than the problems. Like outlawing Mein Kampf is going to solve any problems taht Germany had or has.[/quote]
Well, that’s good then, because it ain’t - at least not in Germany:
"Today, the copyright of all editions of Mein Kampf except the English and the Dutch (Dutch government seized copyright in the same way as Bavaria) is owned by the state of Bavaria. The copyright will end on December 31, 2015. Historian Werner Maser, in an interview with Bild am Sonntag has stated that Peter Raubal, son of Hitler’s nephew Leo Raubal, would have a strong legal case for winning the copyright from Bavaria if he pursued it. Raubal, an Austrian engineer, has stated he wants no part of the rights to the book, which could be worth millions of euros.
The government of Bavaria, in agreement with the federal government of Germany, does not allow any copying or printing of the book in Germany, and opposes it also in other countries but with less success. Owning and buying the book is legal. Trading in old copies is legal as well, unless it is done in such a fashion as to promote hatred or war, which is generally illegal. Most German libraries carry heavily commented and excerpted versions of Mein Kampf."
Didn’t know that myself. Other countries handle this differently.
Makkun
Just watched an excellent movie called “Downfall” about the last ten days of the Third Reich. It was made by a german and based on the memiors of Traudi Junge, Hitler’s secretary. Gives some interesting insight into the man and the men around him.