[quote]p1nt wrote:
i think “Mein Kampf” is the most popular book in the world compared to the amount of people who read it (nobody reads that crap, not even historians).
if you are really interested in this person and the backround of this time, Sebastian Haffner has written some very good books about it.[/quote]
Well, If you are interested in learning what made a guy “tick” why on earth would you NOT read his own friggin’ book? In his own words?
I can learn about the Third Reich and the SS and everything else related to Germany in WW2 pretty much anywhere.
Reading the very words of the man you are studying somehow seems appropriate!
Call me crazy.
haffner did a pretty good job in describing hitler?s character precisely plus giving you the backround information to understand why he did things that seem totally unlogic today.
if you want to read houndreds of pages just to find out he was a sick fuck who hated jews and wanted to create “living space” in the east, then go on and hf.
tell me if you find out something you didn?t know before when you?ve finished reading it.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
And not to forget Madame Blavatsky and her creepy Ideology, which by the way , was symptomatic for his generations’s fascination of occult mysteries.
Curious, but in what way was Blavatsky “creepy”?? Have you actually read her writings? Do you understand them? And are you religious? Dismiss Blavatsky if you will, but the dogma of every organized religion is built opon the foundation of occult mysteries. It all depends if you want to read “stories” or know the truth beneath the stories. Just as Hitler controlled the masses, religion does the same. Anyway, I’m a bit off topic - sorry. [/quote]
Madame B. chose to cope with certain problems in her life through making up rather vague theories.
After getting the hang of it, she pursuited a life of deception and swindle.
One of her key teachings, the ascending of a “chosen race”, was pure racism and fueled much of the following rassisitc teachings, like the one of Nazi Germany. She explicitly called some “races” inferiour.
Most of the bullshit she produced was completely made up, probably due to large consumption of narcotics.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Actually, if you see Hitler as someone who took the ideas of Fichte, Hegel (and Marx), Kant, and Nietzsche (in a bad mood) seriously, the book is brilliant. It’s not often we get to see the statist/socialist ideal fleshed out. It’s a blueprint of how an ubermensch can use these evil conceptions to rule the masses, telling how to trick the populace with ideas of community-before-self, brotherhood, and the usual hogwash.
What do you think socialism, communism, welfare-statism were invented for? To help the masses? LMAO!![/quote]
Hitler echoes some of Neitzsche’s sentiments, but in a very false and superficial way. It’s more like he’d heard of Neitzsche and maybe had a vague idea of what an ubermensch was and then decided to write his work. Neitzsche’s idea of the ubermensch is a lot more complex than the popular stereotype makes it out to be.
If Hitler did indeed read Neitzsche, he had a piss poor understanding of his works.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Actually, if you see Hitler as someone who took the ideas of Fichte, Hegel (and Marx), Kant, and Nietzsche (in a bad mood) seriously, the book is brilliant. It’s not often we get to see the statist/socialist ideal fleshed out. It’s a blueprint of how an ubermensch can use these evil conceptions to rule the masses, telling how to trick the populace with ideas of community-before-self, brotherhood, and the usual hogwash.
What do you think socialism, communism, welfare-statism were invented for? To help the masses? LMAO!!
Hitler echoes some of Neitzsche’s sentiments, but in a very false and superficial way. It’s more like he’d heard of Neitzsche and maybe had a vague idea of what an ubermensch was and then decided to write his work. Neitzsche’s idea of the ubermensch is a lot more complex than the popular stereotype makes it out to be.
If Hitler did indeed read Neitzsche, he had a piss poor understanding of his works.[/quote]
Very true; the overman’s primary mission is to overcome himself. “You know that, Zarathustra? Nobody knows that.” — meaning that he who is yet to appear, the overman, knows that.
But yes, Hitler had a superficial knowledge of many things. He was a voracious reader, but not of great depth. The brilliance of the man was in recognizing that the human instinct for the ‘security’ of socialism could be used as a means to attain his goal, the resurrection of the Aryan Overman.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
And not to forget Madame Blavatsky and her creepy Ideology, which by the way , was symptomatic for his generations’s fascination of occult mysteries.
Curious, but in what way was Blavatsky “creepy”?? Have you actually read her writings? Do you understand them? And are you religious? Dismiss Blavatsky if you will, but the dogma of every organized religion is built opon the foundation of occult mysteries. It all depends if you want to read “stories” or know the truth beneath the stories. Just as Hitler controlled the masses, religion does the same. Anyway, I’m a bit off topic - sorry.
Madame B. chose to cope with certain problems in her life through making up rather vague theories.
After getting the hang of it, she pursuited a life of deception and swindle.
One of her key teachings, the ascending of a “chosen race”, was pure racism and fueled much of the following rassisitc teachings, like the one of Nazi Germany. She explicitly called some “races” inferiour.
Most of the bullshit she produced was completely made up, probably due to large consumption of narcotics. [/quote]
I read the Secret Doctrine and missed the part about a superior race…do you recall which writing espoused these theories? I’d like to know. However, whatever problems she had, I assure you that the majority of her stuff was not made up - her own interpretation or slant of the mysteries perhaps but study the subject material in general and, like dogmatic religion, you will see a consistent thread among her writings against those of others before and after her.
Yes, she claimed to have been imparted to special knowledge and that claim can probably be viewed to be dubious - she was surely taught by another and either amplified or otherwise interpreted for her own various subject matter. If there was one source to go for the truth, there wouldn’t be various and competing religions, and there wouldn’t be competing interpretations of the mysteries that underly those religions among the likes of Blavatsky, et al. Accordingly, to find the truth, one must sift thru many sources and many materials - including Blavatsky.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The US has no intention of banning the book.
It is banned in parts of Europe.
Your kneejerk anti-US reactions show in almost every post.[/quote]
The truth is that the U.S was never occupied during the war, had that not been so, the book would have been banned a long time ago. The book is banned in Germany and other countries such as the czech republic, all of whom suffered immensely.
And heck, im not anti U.S. I am anti republican, and anti George Bush, though. If I was anti American I wouldn’t be on an American site, often taking advice from Americans. And if their is one good thing im going to point out now, the gyms you have over their piss all over most of the ones found throughout Europe, especially in the U.K. All ours are targeted at middle aged- menopausal women, who are on slimfast.
[quote]p1nt wrote:
haffner did a pretty good job in describing hitler?s character precisely plus giving you the backround information to understand why he did things that seem totally unlogic today.
if you want to read houndreds of pages just to find out he was a sick fuck who hated jews and wanted to create “living space” in the east, then go on and hf.
tell me if you find out something you didn?t know before when you?ve finished reading it.[/quote]
Is it difficult to understand wanting to read the (thousands of) actual words of the man you are studying?
Yeah, “interpretations” form others can offer some insight, no argument with that.
The truth is that EVERYONE will interpret things differently. Haffner is no exception.
I COULD let someone else do my research and give me thier opinion but I’d rather come to my own conclusions.
“Autobiographies” can sometimes give much more insight than someone else’s research on the matter.
[quote]alstan90 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The US has no intention of banning the book.
It is banned in parts of Europe.
Your kneejerk anti-US reactions show in almost every post.
The truth is that the U.S was never occupied during the war, had that not been so, the book would have been banned a long time ago. The book is banned in Germany and other countries such as the czech republic, all of whom suffered immensely.
And heck, im not anti U.S. I am anti republican, and anti George Bush, though. If I was anti American I wouldn’t be on an American site, often taking advice from Americans. And if their is one good thing im going to point out now, the gyms you have over their piss all over most of the ones found throughout Europe, especially in the U.K. All ours are targeted at middle aged- menopausal women, who are on slimfast.[/quote]
I gotta call bullshit on that one. Name one book banned in the US under any circumstances. Our rights to free speech, etc., trump any sensitivity to historical suffering by this country or any material that would be politically incorrect. I challenge you to name one single book in the US that is banned. Heck, we have magazines devoted to drugs (high times) and drugs are verboten here…to wit, there is a “war” against drugs in the US lol.
I know this will be hard but when the day comes that most of the world says: “I don’t want any help and I don’t want any handouts. I don’t want any ‘free’ money.” we will finally attain that level of freedom that is our right, as God gave us the freedom to see that right.
Sidenote: The statement about not wanting any free money was said by me to an administrator at the university I attended. I worked nights in a factory and paid by own way. Yes, I’m bragging – so what.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Well, then I’ll be the one who’s saying that patriotism is bad.
I see nothing good coming from it.[/quote]
Patriotism was good once upon a time, when mankind was a scatter of ragged tribes fighting off the elements and the other tribes.
It starts to become increasingly a bad thing in this smaller and smaller world we’re living in. After all, many of the current world’s problems can, arguably, be attributed to some kind of patriotism gone sour.
The day when there will be only one kind of patriotism - the allegiance to humanity in its entirety - a lot of bad things will cease to exist. That day does not seem too near, unfortunately.
[quote]florin wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Well, then I’ll be the one who’s saying that patriotism is bad.
I see nothing good coming from it.
Patriotism was good once upon a time, when mankind was a scatter of ragged tribes fighting off the elements and the other tribes.
It starts to become increasingly a bad thing in this smaller and smaller world we’re living in. After all, many of the current world’s problems can, arguably, be attributed to some kind of patriotism gone sour.
The day when there will be only one kind of patriotism - the allegiance to humanity in its entirety - a lot of bad things will cease to exist. That day does not seem too near, unfortunately.[/quote]
Well spoken, florin.
You know, I sometimes wonder if an alien invasion of giant spacebugs wouldn’t be the best thing for humanity?
For once, they would cease fighting each other, realizing, how much they need themselves on this fragile planet, standing united against an inhuman foe.
I think that this is the only way it would happen. It’s my belief that humans have an evolutionary need for an “enemy”… There will always need to be a “them” for “us” to “get”.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
But yes, Hitler had a superficial knowledge of many things. He was a voracious reader, but not of great depth. The brilliance of the man was in recognizing that the human instinct for the ‘security’ of socialism could be used as a means to attain his goal, the resurrection of the Aryan Overman.
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On the same note, it is also said that he knew Gustave Le Bon’s “The Crowd” by heart. A marketing columnist also once said that the strongest force behind the Nazi rally was the people’s desire … to belong to something.
Just curious about one thing about Hitler’s writing skills … who needs to be a good writer and/or philosopher when you can ‘become’ (sorry) the man who people write stories about?
[quote]florin wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Well, then I’ll be the one who’s saying that patriotism is bad.
I see nothing good coming from it.
Patriotism was good once upon a time, when mankind was a scatter of ragged tribes fighting off the elements and the other tribes.
It starts to become increasingly a bad thing in this smaller and smaller world we’re living in. After all, many of the current world’s problems can, arguably, be attributed to some kind of patriotism gone sour.
The day when there will be only one kind of patriotism - the allegiance to humanity in its entirety - a lot of bad things will cease to exist. That day does not seem too near, unfortunately.[/quote]
Bill hicks said it best:
I was over in Australia and everyone s like Are you proud to be an American? And I was like, Um, I dont know, I didnt have a lot to do with it. You know, my parents fu*&ed there, thats about all.
You know I was in the spirit realm at that time, going Fuc* IN PARIS! FUC* IN PARIS! but they couldnt hear me, because I didnt have a mouth. I was a spirit without lungs or a mouth, or vocal cords. They fuc*ed here.
Okay, Im proud. See how long patriotism last, change the American flag to pictures of our parents fu#*ing. Try to rally behind that image.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Bill hicks said it best:
I was over in Australia and everyone s like Are you proud to be an American? And I was like, Um, I dont know, I didnt have a lot to do with it. You know, my parents fu*&ed there, thats about all.
You know I was in the spirit realm at that time, going Fuc* IN PARIS! FUC* IN PARIS! but they couldnt hear me, because I didnt have a mouth. I was a spirit without lungs or a mouth, or vocal cords. They fuc*ed here.
Okay, Im proud. See how long patriotism last, change the American flag to pictures of our parents fu#*ing. Try to rally behind that image. [/quote]
Also, Engels, Marx, and co. should have anticipated what someone with evil intent might do with their system. They had the capacity to know. GUILTY.
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Nothing even close to Marx or Engel’s system has been put into practice. This is like blaming Christianity for the Jewish massacres during the crusades.
Yeah you know about the books being banned in certain countries, thats just Bullshit.
These people who are so set on fighting the “bad people” of the world and fighting the Nazis and what not, are the same ones, it turns out, who want to ban things and restrict freedoms sometimes more so than the Nazi’s did. The only difference is that its under the guise of a different political scheme.
So instead of supporting Nationalism (Which when not taken overbaord is a good thing IMO) they basically make any display of National Pride looked down upon and discouraged. They bully religion (again when not taken to extremes gives allot of people meaning and drive in their lives…aside from being of historical and cultural value)
Instead of making it a one country one race system like Hitler did they flood the borders with cheap labor and races/cultures of all sorts without discretion, which only leads to more aggravation from all people inviolved.
Sorry if this seems overboard or out of place, but just saying that some of the solutions to the nationalist/racist “problems” that people have are worse than the problems. Like outlawing Mein Kampf is going to solve any problems taht Germany had or has.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Bill hicks said it best:
I was over in Australia and everyone s like Are you proud to be an American? And I was like, Um, I dont know, I didnt have a lot to do with it. You know, my parents fu*&ed there, thats about all.
You know I was in the spirit realm at that time, going Fuc* IN PARIS! FUC* IN PARIS! but they couldnt hear me, because I didnt have a mouth. I was a spirit without lungs or a mouth, or vocal cords. They fuc*ed here.
Okay, Im proud. See how long patriotism last, change the American flag to pictures of our parents fu#*ing. Try to rally behind that image. [/quote]
Hey, I’m not about to tell you what to write about in my thread but I see no reference to the book I asked about.
Is what you wrote even relevant to Adolf Hitler in any way?
Plus, is it too much to ask to make sense when you type?
Hey, I’m not about to tell you what to write about in my thread but I see no reference to the book I asked about.
Is what you wrote even relevant to Adolf Hitler in any way?
Plus, is it too much to ask to make sense when you type?
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No it is not relevant to Hitler. If you read the person whom I sited above my post I believe its relevance is clear. I am sorry that my typing was so incoherent that you couldnt understand it. It was a direct quote from Bill Hicks. I guess that all of his fans listened to him because they WHERE smart enough to decipher the English language in conversation form. Sorry you could not appreciate my addition to your post. Let me stick to the topic NO I HAVE NEVER READ MEIN KAMPF. Get a brain or use the one you are neglecting.