Medical Marijuana

[quote]Makavali wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Actually, he said weed is much worse :shrug:

Because…? Did he back up that statement or did he just say it? You have to remember that not very many medical professionals know more than what gets put in front of them.

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I tend to believe a guy that cuts open chests and replaces hearts, arteries, etc.

He mentioned something about doing heart work on early 30 yr old pot smokers, more common than one would think.

Again, I’ll get more info, if people really want it

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
No it isn’t.

If one believes in the idea of property rights then it must follow that one should be able to use their property to grow what ever crop one wishes. By extension ones body is ones property and therefor one should be able to put whatever one wants in it – be that coke, weed, steroids, alcohol, or donkey dick (assuming the donkey is the property of the one being penetrated). Property rights also carry with it the notion that one cannot harm another person with their property because that would violate the property rights of someone else.

It is a really simple idea.[/quote]

I doubt bestiality is part of that topic. That isn’t so clear cut, and I’d say falls into the category of abuse.

I agree with the gist of what you’re saying though.

I know I am a light weight but I would get high 20 times with the amount of pot you would put into a cigarette

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I tend to believe a guy that cuts open chest and replaces hearts, arteries, etc.

He mentioned something about doing heart work on early 30 yr old pot smokers, more common than one would think.

Again, I’ll get more info, if people really want it[/quote]

Please do. But I believe that misinformation comes from the fact that a lot of tokers will hold in the smoke for much longer in the hopes of getting a better hit. Total ridiculous of course, as the THC is absorbed into the lungs fairly quickly.

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Actually, he said weed is much worse :shrug:[/quote]

I have heard people say the same thing but always wondered how they could make the distinction given that there isn’t nearly as much research on it.

He may be correct but to my knowledge, making a drug illegal tends to prevent or severely hinder long-term studies. E.g. much of the preliminary evidence that suggested that cigarette smoking was harmful was correlational - many people who got cancer tended to be smokers. By making smoking THC illegal, they close the door on this type correlational analysis.

A few years ago I found the following read interesting
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html. It’s on the internet so the historical account may be subjectively written, but given the way things seem to go I’m sure there’s some truth to it.

As long as the Government can put out shamelessly unscientific propaganda, I shall follow suit.

Weed will make you swole.

definitely gives you a better mind to muscle connection, pretty relaxing after hard lifting day but I don’t get how people just smoke all the time seems so boring as it makes me super lazy.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
As long as the Government can put out shamelessly unscientific propaganda, I shall follow suit.

Weed will make you swole.[/quote]

It will also make you rich and famous…


It also makes you attractive…

…and you get all the girls.

http://www.ggdub.com/pm.cgi?action=show&temp=girls_index

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
This is a tough issue.

No it isn’t.

If one believes in the idea of property rights then it must follow that one should be able to use their property to grow what ever crop one wishes. By extension ones body is ones property and therefor one should be able to put whatever one wants in it – be that coke, weed, steroids, alcohol, or donkey dick (assuming the donkey is the property of the one being penetrated). Property rights also carry with it the notion that one cannot harm another person with their property because that would violate the property rights of someone else.

It is a really simple idea.[/quote]

Yes it is a tough issue. Drugs mess people up and people under the influence can do very strange and dangerous things. Society places limits on behavior, such as drinking and driving. If I get loaded and drive home and don’t kill anyone is that ok? Society doesn’t think so. It has decided that my freedom to drink and drive is not as important as avoiding the dangers of a drunk behind the wheel.

Where these limits are placed makes it a tough issue.

[quote]905Patrick wrote:

He may be correct but to my knowledge, making a drug illegal tends to prevent or severely hinder long-term studies. …[/quote]

Exactly. That is why it is hard to take the pro or anti pot propaganda seriously.

I don’t smoke weed anymore because I’m back on the health bandwagon and trying to improve my productivity. But it does have a certain utility- I have had awesome thoughts while high that I would never have come up with otherwise.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
This is a tough issue.

No it isn’t.

If one believes in the idea of property rights then it must follow that one should be able to use their property to grow what ever crop one wishes. By extension ones body is ones property and therefor one should be able to put whatever one wants in it – be that coke, weed, steroids, alcohol, or donkey dick (assuming the donkey is the property of the one being penetrated). Property rights also carry with it the notion that one cannot harm another person with their property because that would violate the property rights of someone else.

It is a really simple idea.

Yes it is a tough issue. Drugs mess people up and people under the influence can do very strange and dangerous things. Society places limits on behavior, such as drinking and driving. If I get loaded and drive home and don’t kill anyone is that ok? Society doesn’t think so. It has decided that my freedom to drink and drive is not as important as avoiding the dangers of a drunk behind the wheel.

Where these limits are placed makes it a tough issue.
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Like I stated, people aren’t allowed to use their property to hurt other people. Barring that, one can do what ever one wishes with their own person or property. It’s that simple.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
This is a tough issue.

No it isn’t.

If one believes in the idea of property rights then it must follow that one should be able to use their property to grow what ever crop one wishes. By extension ones body is ones property and therefor one should be able to put whatever one wants in it – be that coke, weed, steroids, alcohol, or donkey dick (assuming the donkey is the property of the one being penetrated). Property rights also carry with it the notion that one cannot harm another person with their property because that would violate the property rights of someone else.

It is a really simple idea.

Yes it is a tough issue. Drugs mess people up and people under the influence can do very strange and dangerous things. Society places limits on behavior, such as drinking and driving. If I get loaded and drive home and don’t kill anyone is that ok? Society doesn’t think so. It has decided that my freedom to drink and drive is not as important as avoiding the dangers of a drunk behind the wheel.

Where these limits are placed makes it a tough issue.

Like I stated, people aren’t allowed to use their property to hurt other people. Barring that, one can do what ever one wishes with their own person or property. It’s that simple.[/quote]

“Not allowed”, as if the chemically impaired or mentally ill will modify their crazy behavior if someone just tells them they are not allowed to crash their car into a bus load of nuns or throw a brick through a window on random impulse.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

“Not allowed”, as if the chemically impaired or mentally ill will modify their crazy behavior if someone just tells them they are not allowed to crash their car into a bus load of nuns or throw a brick through a window on random impulse.[/quote]

So, we should regulate stupidity?

A little late to this thread. For 7 years, I was an Insurance Facilitator for a private, international company. We received, processed and submitted all collision reports to the Police Department, Ministry of Transportation and Insurance Companies in a city of about 360,000. In all of my time there, not once do I ever recall seeing a collision report that was caused by medicinal marijuana use, not to mention any fatalities. The majority of collisions caused by people being under the influence of a substance were, in most part, alcohol (being number one) and people using combinations of two or more drugs (illegal, OTC and prescription). Having said this, I have seen people in my personal life, both for recreation and medicinal reasons, use marijuana and I wouldn’t want them to drive me anywhere.

[quote]MsM wrote:
Having said this, I have seen people in my personal life, both for recreation and medicinal reasons, use marijuana and I wouldn’t want them to drive me anywhere. [/quote]

Hey man, that’s cool, I don’t feel like drivin anyway. I am just going to lay down here on this couch and watch some TV or somethin’…

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
MsM wrote:
Having said this, I have seen people in my personal life, both for recreation and medicinal reasons, use marijuana and I wouldn’t want them to drive me anywhere.

Hey man, that’s cool, I don’t feel like drivin anyway. I am just going to lay down here on this couch and watch some TV or somethin’…[/quote]

Okay. Night, night.

Does anyone have any recent scientific papers on marijuana’s effect on the brain?