@Cretin78 please don’t derail ANOTHER topic. Answer the poll questions and be done with it. Why must you always interject your nonsense? Seriously dude. Move along.
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I have always considered myself as somewhat of an easy gainer. I seem to get positive feedback from my workout efforts fairly dependably.
Before I ever lifted a weight, I came home for Christmas break of my sophomore year in college. When my neighbor saw me he said that it looked like I was getting a beer belly. When I got back to college I started trying to train myself in some gymnastics. Within two months I could do 20 pull-ups and 20 parallel bar dips. I was 6’0” and about 165lbs. I figured that was an example of a relative easy gainer. I was “playing” much more than training.
I started lifting weights that spring in 1968 and knew nearly nothing about optimal training or nutrition, yet made noticeable progress year after year. Within a year I had a better physique than anyone I saw in the college weight room, IMO. I figure that was another example of an easy gainer. BTW, I ran for leg development.
But easygainer is just a myth, as you say.
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Raises hand. This is my Achille’s heel…
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I imagine your NEAT is also high too. By chance, are you a natural fidgeter?
My kid is like that. I was a fat kid, and they’re super skinny, but my kid will also NEVER stop moving, whereas I was definitely a slug, haha. My kid is always dancing, skipping, tapping their toes, wiggling, etc.
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Duh. lol.
And I try running a program and always end up adding more and more volume until I can’t sustain it. So many things working against me…
I’ve decided though, that I’m going to give CT’s “Hard Body Training Program for Women” a shot and just really try to trust it. Starting that tomorrow, so wish me luck!
PS - Sorry to further derail the thread here. I’ll take my dysfunction elsewhere now. lol
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But if he doesn’t bring up the celery, who will?
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Can you puhlease take your dysfunction over to a log already? gawd
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I think I might - if for no other reason than accountability. Stay tuned…
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I’m a male and have run that several times. One of my favorites. Good luck.
Now, I’ve contributed to the derailment. Eh ghads. I did it for support, though. That’s good. Right?
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Overstimulation??? Underrecovered???
This is the type of thing that happens to trainees who-
Go thru the motions with set after set of the same reps and don’t train intuitively.
High protein low fat dieting and other restrictive diets.
Here’s something I can share with you doubters-
So the holiday is here, kitchen is basically closed due to wife doing serious work for the Thanksgiving dinner.
I’m training my butt off and I’m fatigued-
I rarely eat sweets, here I am doing some big shoulder sets, I’m about to die but I want 1-more good set, but I’m drained-
There’s lots of snacks available, so I ate a fresh made sticky bun-
Got the best set in yet after that!!!
Ate a couple slices of pizza about an hour later-
Feel like a million bucks!!!
Ready to train hard again!!!
No protein was eaten here, fellas………
Pizza and sticky bun provided the fuel, the lifting got me the gains. I made gains here, I increased both reps and weight.
I didn’t stuff myself either I can do a stomach vacuum, I’m hungry still, I’ll eat tomorrow plus I’m saving for the heavy carbs that are going to be offered tomorrow with thanksgiving dinner.
I don’t eat that stuff at all, but I was in a jam and it worked.
I’m telling ya, the idea of being perfect is overrated. Get the training in, progress and you gain.
I think this is such a good point. Just like training frequency and anything else, it’s the top-line that drives how we put the day together. I used to eat much more frequently when I was more active, trying to gain weight, etc. because I was simply eating more.
If we’re taking it to say some folks don’t have to do anything, I can agree with the sentiment that everyone has to put in some work. As an absolute, though, I can’t get there; obviously some of us have genetic advantages in all facets of athletics.
There was some study I remember reading (I think it used sumo wrestlers) that showed the heaviest guys had the highest LBM - weight, in fact, did equate to more muscle. Does anyone remember that? It was both interesting and kind of disappointing.
Practically speaking, I’m also not a fan of force feeding up (minus you dudes that really hate eating); we tend to just get fat.
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@Andrewgen_Receptors if I read what you say correctly is that these guys are bulking on 6-8k calories and “low fat”?
Bulking is not low fat.
These guys are eating high fats.
Most experienced bodybuilders have woke up regarding Wieders low fat nonsense of the 1970s.
Every one of your posts reads like a used car salesman in a commercial. I can’t help but read each one like someone yelling really fast with chaotic music in background.
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Another reason for frequent protein meals that I haven’t stated is the “half-life” of amino acids digested from a protein meal. I never knew any science around how long the amino acids digested from a meal stayed in the blood stream to be available to feed muscle cells that are ready for the “adaptation” from stimulus of weight training.
I never knew how long the amino acids were available in the blood stream, or how long the muscles were in the adaptive phase. So I approached this like I did everything else, I used the shot gun approach. I made sure that amino acids were flowing in my blood stream as many of the 24 hours in the day as was practical.
Just another one of the muscle building opportunities that ran through my mind when left alone to “daydream.”
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@dchris i just ate a big bowl of cottage cheese and walnuts, probably an easy 800+ calories and I’m a 200 pound er at best.
Lots of fats here and none of that goes to the belly fat if training hard.
That was just an easy little snack!
Fat does not make us fat.
High processed carbs and sugars are more of the culprit.
Is this missing a comma, or is there something I don’t know about? If ramen sandwiches are a thing, don’t tell my daughters.
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I really don’t say this to be mean, maybe just a tip for stronger communication: most of your posts are declarations referencing nothing. It’s a lot of “do this!” but no justification why. As all of your recommendations are very counter to what any of the rest of us would consider common knowledge, you have a little higher burden of proof.
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Back to the main topic.
Small guy here (170 lbs). I do more endurance work now on top of less strength training (compared to the last 15 years). So maybe a little less protein, higher carbs, lower fat intake than before. Anyway.
- 1/2 to 1 pound of meat per day.
- 2 to 5 eggs per day.
- 12 to 24 oz of milk per day. + a cup of either Greek yogurt or Skyr.
- 0 to 2 scoops per day depending on how much meat, eggs and dairy I have consumed.
My normal is in the middle of those ranges (3/4 pound meat, 4 eggs, 16 oz of milk + 1 cup Skyr and 1 scoop of protein powder). Give me around 1g protein/pound bodyweight.
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I just did 20 pull-ups when my wife asked me to get Christmas boxes. I then picked up heavy boxes and brought them inside. Drank two glasses of water and swung my 80lb in 50 times. I did this without any food yet today. Just purely based on stored fat and glycogen. I’m planning on feasting tonight. Wasn’t near a 1 rep max, but that’s because a 200lb kb isn’t practical. Maybe I’ll go outside and do handstand squats for a new PR. I bet I’ll get it because I’m primed for using stores fat right now. Living in Texas, it’s been hot and my body realizes it doesn’t need as much fat. Bet you didn’t know that? I trained with a guy who was really smart in this. He has a podcast and ebook, or more like post that could be an ebook. You should read it if you’re serious about training.
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