[quote]dhickey wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
dhickey wrote:
I’ve always wondered what good teachers think of the teachers union. My sister in law is a teacher but she won’t talk about it much. My sister is teacher in TX but I don’t think she has to be in the union.
My half a brain says,“There are no teacher unions in TX.” Thats why I only have half a brain. 
I didn’t say you had a half a brain. I said you shared a half a brain with inner hulk.[/quote]
Sorry…I’ve never eaten brain.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
dhickey wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Well, I have lots of problems with teachers’ unions, but they are not the root of the problem.
Are you kidding me? They are one of the biggest reasons for shit education. You’re facination with extreme examples of shitty schools is mildly entertaining but has very little to do with the real problem. ON AVERAGE we score much lower on standardized test compare to almost every other developed nation, even though we spend the most money.
Shitty teachers getting raises is not as much of concern and shitty teachers still teaching. Tenure is fucked. Hiring and firing rules are fucked.
Just noting: A lot of other countries the US gets compared to don’t count retards and tech students in their scoring like we do.
(I fucking hate the concept of tenure. It makes NO sense <_<)[/quote]
Do we include retards in samples that take the test?
[quote]dhickey wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Well, I have lots of problems with teachers’ unions, but they are not the root of the problem.
Are you kidding me? They are one of the biggest reasons for shit education. You’re facination with extreme examples of shitty schools is mildly entertaining but has very little to do with the real problem. ON AVERAGE we score much lower on standardized test compare to almost every other developed nation, even though we spend the most money.
Shitty teachers getting raises is not as much of concern and shitty teachers still teaching. Tenure is fucked. Hiring and firing rules are fucked.[/quote]
I didn’t say they weren’t a problem. I think there are other bigger problems.
But I don’t want to get in a debate about this. I don’t have the interest. Or the time. Particularly because although I think there are other more pressing issues, I agree that teacher’s unions are a big problem, especially with their stance on tenure.
Public Agenda, a nonpartisian think tank, found that most teachers actually agree with this. Only 19% of teachers say the national union almost always reflects their values and preferences. And the majority of teachers[though not a vast majority] think that tenure makes it too hard to fire bad teachers.