[quote]Headhunter wrote:
McCain was the only Senate Republican to vote against President Bush’s tax cuts.
He has co-sponsored bills with Ted Kennedy. I can’t even imagine being in the same room with Kennedy, the drunken old lecher.
McCain wanted amnesty for illegals, and to let them collect Social Security benefits, from a system already in deep trouble.
McCain is NOT a conservative and is another ‘stealth-lib’ like Bush. Haven’t we had enough of phony conservatives?
He’s such a weak conservative, I’d bet Hiallry and Bill are sponsoring him somehow. Maybe McCain will be the VP under Hillary, like was proposed before with Kerry.[/quote]
I suppose the relevant question is whether you’d prefer McCain on the one hand or Hillary or Obama on the other?
I suppose the relevant question is whether you’d prefer McCain on the one hand or Hillary or Obama on the other?[/quote]
If you mean we should continue to be motivated in throwing in our anti-Democrat nominee vote, I’m going to pass this time. There’s the principle of not subsidizing bad behavior. Well, some of us believe the Republican party is drowning in bad behavior. I realize full well that Hillary or Obama will benefit, but that’s just how the chips fall.
You can’t rely on my vote forever by saying the right things to get the party nomination, to only turn around and vote for “No Child Left Behind,” amnesty, a mixed bag on spending, tax cuts, McCain-Fien., etc.
I’ve grown tired of the “Pfft. You aint got nowhere else to turn. You need us,” attitude.
Edit: And before some party liner jumps on me, you’d do better blaming the party, and not me. I carried weight for the Republican party on this forum, even when I was uncomfortable with the position I wa being forced into.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
I suppose the relevant question is whether you’d prefer McCain on the one hand or Hillary or Obama on the other?
Sloth wrote:
If you mean we should continue to be motivated in throwing in our anti-Democrat nominee vote, I’m going to pass this time. There’s the principle of not subsidizing bad behavior. Well, some of us believe the Republican party is drowning in bad behavior. I realize full well that Hillary or Obama will benefit, but that’s just how the chips fall.
You can’t rely on my vote forever by saying the right things to get the party nomination, to only turn around and vote for “No Child Left Behind,” amnesty, a mixed bag on spending, tax cuts, McCain-Fien., etc.
I’ve grown tired of the “Pfft. You aint got nowhere else to turn. You need us,” attitude.
Edit: And before some party liner jumps on me, you’d do better blaming the party, and not me. I carried weight for the Republican party on this forum, even when I was uncomfortable with the position I wa being forced into.[/quote]
This is a valid position if you’re willing to live with the consequences, i.e., if you’re willing to have Hillary or Obama as President.
The Canadian conservatives split themselves in two and both halves were an afterthought for over a decade…
Edit: By the way, I noticed one of the blogs seemed like it downplayed the effects of illegals on wages and Americn workers. He seemed to matter of fact about it, too. I’m not so sure.
I’ve tried to spend some time reading (and understanding) George Borjas, Harvard Professor of Economics. He seems to have done a good deal of work on the effects of immigration (legal and illegal) on wage and labor. Anyways, here’s his blog if you’re interested. http://www.borjas.typepad.com/
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
McCain was the only Senate Republican to vote against President Bush’s tax cuts.
He has co-sponsored bills with Ted Kennedy. I can’t even imagine being in the same room with Kennedy, the drunken old lecher.
McCain wanted amnesty for illegals, and to let them collect Social Security benefits, from a system already in deep trouble.
McCain is NOT a conservative and is another ‘stealth-lib’ like Bush. Haven’t we had enough of phony conservatives?
He’s such a weak conservative, I’d bet Hiallry and Bill are sponsoring him somehow. Maybe McCain will be the VP under Hillary, like was proposed before with Kerry.
I suppose the relevant question is whether you’d prefer McCain on the one hand or Hillary or Obama on the other?[/quote]
Of the 3 of those, I choose Obama. He’s an honest lib. Hillary is a power-mad psycho along with Shitbag Billy and McCain is a stealth-lib.
I also think Obama would do what he thought was right for the country. Hillary and McCain would do what’s right FOR THEM.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Of the 3 of those, I choose Obama. He’s an honest lib. Hillary is a power-mad psycho along with Shitbag Billy and McCain is a stealth-lib.
I also think Obama would do what he thought was right for the country. Hillary and McCain would do what’s right FOR THEM.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
looks like someone is a gun grabber too
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The man cannot flee from his own words. Excellent link!
I truly believe he is running to make it easier for the Hill-Bill-ies to get into the White House. If he makes it, most libs would choose Hillary since the choice is between two libs then anyway. She’s GOT to be paying him off somehow.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:
looks like someone is a gun grabber too
The man cannot flee from his own words. Excellent link!
I truly believe he is running to make it easier for the Hill-Bill-ies to get into the White House. If he makes it, most libs would choose Hillary since the choice is between two libs then anyway. She’s GOT to be paying him off somehow.
Maybe Vince Foster knows.
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McCain is the Bob Dole of the 2008 election. IF Hillary or McCain get the presidency there will be a mass exodus to Canada! I have already studied Canada’s gun laws and culture I am ready to move along with millions of others!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:
looks like someone is a gun grabber too
The man cannot flee from his own words. Excellent link!
I truly believe he is running to make it easier for the Hill-Bill-ies to get into the White House. If he makes it, most libs would choose Hillary since the choice is between two libs then anyway. She’s GOT to be paying him off somehow.
Maybe Vince Foster knows.
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You need to seriously re-assess this conspiracy mindset of yours…
Anyway, here’s McCain’s voting record on gun control and some statements of position, sourced from OntheIssues.org:
[i]John McCain on Gun Control
* I know how to use guns; but I don't own one. (Nov 2007)
* Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
* Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes. (Sep 2007)
* Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types. (Sep 2007)
* Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks. (Aug 1999)
* Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)
* Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
* Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
* Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)
* Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids. (May 1999)
* Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
* Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
* Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
* Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998) [/i]
Edit: By the way, I noticed one of the blogs seemed like it downplayed the effects of illegals on wages and Americn workers. He seemed to matter of fact about it, too. I’m not so sure.
I’ve tried to spend some time reading (and understanding) George Borjas, Harvard Professor of Economics. He seems to have done a good deal of work on the effects of immigration (legal and illegal) on wage and labor. Anyways, here’s his blog if you’re interested. http://www.borjas.typepad.com/ [/quote]
I think you’re referring to this quote from the NYT article that was quoted in the blog post:
If so, it’s specifically saying that immigrants don’t cause economic problems for the middle class, but do compete with the less educated, less skilled lower class workers.
McCain is the Bob Dole of the 2008 election. IF Hillary or McCain get the presidency there will be a mass exodus to Canada! I have already studied Canada’s gun laws and culture I am ready to move along with millions of others![/quote]
If either McCain or Clinton win 2008, you are headed to Canada?
That cements my vote - McCain/Clinton 2008.
A tough ticket to swallow, I know - but the sacrifice is worth it if we can get troops of half-educated, believe-anything-I-read-on-the-internet numbskulls to get out of the way of the rest of the other folk.
McCain is the Bob Dole of the 2008 election. IF Hillary or McCain get the presidency there will be a mass exodus to Canada! I have already studied Canada’s gun laws and culture I am ready to move along with millions of others!
If either McCain or Clinton win 2008, you are headed to Canada?
That cements my vote - McCain/Clinton 2008.
A tough ticket to swallow, I know - but the sacrifice is worth it if we can get troops of half-educated, believe-anything-I-read-on-the-internet numbskulls to get out of the way of the rest of the other folk.[/quote]
BTW HH, this typical Clintonism from Bill, given during the Republican primary, should tell you right away the Clintons think McCain is the biggest threat on the Republican side:
In the event McCain did buckle under torture, who are we to judge? After Vietnam the military Code of Conduct was rewritten. I no longer recall the exact wording, but post-Vietnam it was changed from absolute resistance to resistance “to the best of my ability”. The point is that torture sucks and until you’ve spent a week buried with only a straw to breath then you have no business judging a man’s conduct under torture.
As for the gun stuff, gun advocates are perhaps the greatest supporters of the ENTIRE Bill of Rights…period. The second thing about the gun culture is that we don’t forget. But the reality is (thanks Rudy) that McCain’s gun talk isn’t any different than anything else he says. It’s the same double talk every politician has for every issue. He’s not anti-gun or pro-gun. He’s just pro-getting his ass elected.
What I find so strange about the man is the ire he gets from conservatives. Let me rephrase that. I can understand why conservatives don’t like him, but why is their hatred reserved to him? He’s more conservative than Rudy, Huck, or Romney. Yet we don’t hear Rush out bashing them.
McCain is the Bob Dole of the 2008 election. IF Hillary or McCain get the presidency there will be a mass exodus to Canada! I have already studied Canada’s gun laws and culture I am ready to move along with millions of others!
If either McCain or Clinton win 2008, you are headed to Canada?
That cements my vote - McCain/Clinton 2008.
A tough ticket to swallow, I know - but the sacrifice is worth it if we can get troops of half-educated, believe-anything-I-read-on-the-internet numbskulls to get out of the way of the rest of the other folk.[/quote]
Ok MR. Head in the sand. You can stay for the downfall of our once great country. The smart people figured out a while ago the gov’t mission is to bankrupt us INTENTIONALLY. Have fun with your recession and make sure your an nice little bitch to the Chinese slave masters when they repossess our country
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
out of the way of the rest of the other folk.
Ok MR. Head in the sand. You can stay for the downfall of our once great country. The smart people figured out a while ago the gov’t mission is to bankrupt us INTENTIONALLY. Have fun with your recession and make sure your an nice little bitch to the Chinese slave masters when they repossess our country
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:
out of the way of the rest of the other folk.
Ok MR. Head in the sand. You can stay for the downfall of our once great country. The smart people figured out a while ago the gov’t mission is to bankrupt us INTENTIONALLY. Have fun with your recession and make sure your an nice little bitch to the Chinese slave masters when they repossess our country
And why would they do such a thing?[/quote]
Beats me. Sifu claims a similar plot in taking place in Britain.