Mayweather vs Pacquiao

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[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Roberto Duran, and no one else.

Duran would have knocked Floyd out. At any weight. And @ 135 it was be Roberto by rape. Floyd would NOT do well against Duran’s style.

Look at what Castillo did to Floyd!!

Now, imagine a prime Duran. He would swarm him ass and give him no space. He would destroy him.

Anybody now who follows sports knows who Duran is.

Anybody who was an adult in the 1980s probably recognizes him.
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I was never a fan of Bert Sugar, but when he used to compare Duran’s eyes to Charles Manson’s it gave me chills. One sinister dude.

I like Chavez, but I think RD would have dismantled him.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]statemachine wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]statemachine wrote:
Now that Manny appears to be fading the tough talk gets louder.How could anybody think that Mayweather could beat SRL,Hearns or Duran,these guys all fought bigger men and won.Mayweather ducked a guy that started as a flyweight fcs.Duran could blow his nose on Mayweather during a fight and not care about getting hit.[/quote]

He never ducked pacquiao.

The pacquiao fight WAS happening, it was set to go. It is Bob arum and bob arum alone who killed that fight, because Pacquiao is his sacred cow and he HATES (and I do mean hate, not dislike) mayweather.

what do you think victor ortiz was? It was a tune up for southpaws in preparation for Manny LMAO[/quote]

Really.

Mayweather nixes 50-50 for Pacquiao [/quote]

Did you even read the article?

Let me clarify the relevant parts for you:

"Mayweather offered $40 million to Pacquiao last month, with the Filipino not getting any share of the PPV revenue.

Pacquiao nixed the offer, proposing instead a 45-45 sharing with the other 10 percent going to the winner of the bout."

“Hall of Famer Arum went further, saying heÃ?¢??s willing to give Mayweather $50 million, provided also that the prison-bound (June 1) fighter doesnÃ?¢??t get any PPV share.”

In what part of the last however many years Mayweather has been on top, in what part, has any challenger gotten a 50-50 split. It does not happen.

Now this seems like a generous offer to the unknowing eye. But heres the thing: the PPV revenue for this fight would be MASSIVE, $50m is chump change compared to what mayweather would draw from his usual fee + the PPV. Hence why he was willing to go $40m if pacquiao forgoed his share of the PPV.

The idea that mayweather is running scared is preposterous and is pure wishful fantasy; mayweather has beaten better fighters, has no trouble southpaws and is stylistically a foil to manny (why people still seem to think manny will give floyd problems is beyond me, the marquez fights are evidence enough)

You and a lot of people seem to be confused: Mayweather doesn’t have to fight pacquiao. Pacquiao has to fight mayweather. [/quote]

I guess you missed the part where PAC agreed to the additional tests and Floyd demanded PAC split with Arum.If Floyd boy had really wanted to fight PAC he wouldn’t be crowing that he lost two fights.Manny was fighter of the decade.Mayweather will always have the stigma of having ducked this fight.Always.

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Pac fighting Rios, a man coming off a loss. Admittedly skilled fighter, cant help that think if it was Floyd was doing likewise he’d get slated by the haters. i.e. when he fought marquez.

Interestingly its looking likely Floyd will fight Amir Khan. Floyd might edge the fan support amongst neutrals, solely on peoples ability to dislike khan.

I never got the hate for khan - where does it originate from? hes a decent enough guy, exciting fighter, fast hands, comes to fight always - no chin or defence, but can people really penalise him for that alone? it must be something else…? hes got a bit of an ego but nothing much by a boxers standard. he’s a bit of household name across the Atlantic isn’t he? numerous fights in vegas, fair play to him he went to Washington and fought and beat a steroid induced lamont Peterson. robbed by the judges and poor referring.

everyone was talking about what a monster puncher Matthysse is. Fuck, khan had Peterson down twice in the first round. that fight might have stopped there had Peterson not been on peds.

listen to danny Garcia and andre ward speak about khan. Garcia said khan was unbelievably fast, much more so than he had thought was possible. ward described khan as 1 of the best offensive fighters in boxing.

I think this fight will sell tickets. and, for the first time in a while, see a genuine Floyd KO. either that or hell win all 12 rounds.

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Mayweather - Khan is a joke.

It’ll be lucky to get 700,000 buys in America. Only the drunken delusional Englishmen will buy this fight.

I’ll watch the GIF of the second-round KO the next day, thanks.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Mayweather - Khan is a joke.

It’ll be lucky to get 700,000 buys in America. Only the drunken delusional Englishmen will buy this fight.

I’ll watch the GIF of the second-round KO the next day, thanks.[/quote]

This.

Khan is made to be murdered by a fighter like Mayweather. Khan is fast, but comes straight forward, is not hard to hit, has no punch resistance, and isn’t good enough or disciplined enough to stick to a game plan that might let him enjoy even limited success. Khan - Mayweather is a Mayweather win by KO. No shred of doubt in my mind.

I mainly dislike Khan because I know he thinks he is better than he really is. He’s been talking about ‘Amir Khan’ in the third person as being a superstar since he won SILVER at the Olympics. I think he’s a good, entertaining fighter, but he’s a long way short of true world level. In a better era he would only be competitive at national level.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Mayweather - Khan is a joke.

It’ll be lucky to get 700,000 buys in America. Only the drunken delusional Englishmen will buy this fight.

I’ll watch the GIF of the second-round KO the next day, thanks.[/quote]

This.

Khan is made to be murdered by a fighter like Mayweather. Khan is fast, but comes straight forward, is not hard to hit, has no punch resistance, and isn’t good enough or disciplined enough to stick to a game plan that might let him enjoy even limited success. Khan - Mayweather is a Mayweather win by KO. No shred of doubt in my mind.

I mainly dislike Khan because I know he thinks he is better than he really is. He’s been talking about ‘Amir Khan’ in the third person as being a superstar since he won SILVER at the Olympics. I think he’s a good, entertaining fighter, but he’s a long way short of true world level. In a better era he would only be competitive at national level. [/quote]

Agreed also. I think Khan is ok. But he’s a bad match-up with Floyd. Khan looks great when he can set himself and let his hands go. Floyd won’t give him that chance. The type of fighter that would match up well would be a pressure fighter/swarmer with a good chin who had power going to the body. Someone who can fight inside, cut the ring off and throw 100 punches a round for 12 rounds if needed.

And that dude is not out there. So Floyd will pick his fights, make his money, and retire undefeated.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Great post. Exactly what I think.

Roberto Duran is the greatest lightweight of all time. Of all fucking time. That includes Mayweather’s very strong run at that weight - but Duran’s was better.

The man started off just as small as Mayweather, but ended up fighting another all time great - Marvin Hagler - at middlweight, just to fight him.
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Nobody is like Roberto Duran. Nobody.

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Nobody is like Roberto Duran.
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Duran was amazing. I would put him in the top 3 lightweights of all time. I just don’t know if he comes out ahead of Joe Gans or Benny Leonard. He might. This is a case where my top three are in “any order”.

I’m curious, what puts him above those two? I think he had(well he obviously hits a lot harder than Leonard now) far heavier hands than Benny Leonard but I have no idea about Gans. Granted comparing Duran to fighters from the early twentieth century might be a bit much.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I have him higher than Leonard and Gans. I personally think Durans style coupled with his power put him in a class by himself at LW. The pressure and swarming ability of Duran, also with his very underrated defense, make him so unique.

Duran had a great jab, solid chin, and despite what he did between fights, his stamina was awesome.

Duran can be summed up what someone else stated: he is a LW who went to MW to fight one of the great of all time (Hagler) because he wanted to challenge the best. When Hagler was in his prime.

'Nuff said.

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“Yes, it’s true I once knocked out a horse. It was at a fiesta in my mother’s home town of Guarare. Someone bet me a bottle of whiskey that I couldn’t do it.”

  • Roberto Duran
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This Duran love is reminding me of how everybody felt about Pac, good thing they’ll never fight. We won’t get to see Duran just bust him up.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
This Duran love is reminding me of how everybody felt about Pac, good thing they’ll never fight. We won’t get to see Duran just bust him up.[/quote]

It’s easier to love Duran though. His career is done, and he truly did fight everyone there was to fight.

There’s no questions about his ability, or his heart, or anything like that… it’s impossible for anyone who’s currently fighting to get to that level, because hindsight - especially the hindsight that comes from a decade of retirement - really shows the true measure of the fighter.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
“Yes, it’s true I once knocked out a horse. It was at a fiesta in my mother’s home town of Guarare. Someone bet me a bottle of whiskey that I couldn’t do it.”

  • Roberto Duran
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Ok, anyone who will fight a horse for whiskey is a sentimental favorite.

Note to Irish and LondonBoxer,

It was spelled whiskey not whisky, so there.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Brett620 wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Great post. Exactly what I think.

Roberto Duran is the greatest lightweight of all time. Of all fucking time. That includes Mayweather’s very strong run at that weight - but Duran’s was better.

The man started off just as small as Mayweather, but ended up fighting another all time great - Marvin Hagler - at middlweight, just to fight him.
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Nobody is like Roberto Duran. Nobody.

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Nobody is like Roberto Duran.
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Duran was amazing. I would put him in the top 3 lightweights of all time. I just don’t know if he comes out ahead of Joe Gans or Benny Leonard. He might. This is a case where my top three are in “any order”.

I’m curious, what puts him above those two? I think he had(well he obviously hits a lot harder than Leonard now) far heavier hands than Benny Leonard but I have no idea about Gans. Granted comparing Duran to fighters from the early twentieth century might be a bit much.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I have him higher than Leonard and Gans. I personally think Durans style coupled with his power put him in a class by himself at LW. The pressure and swarming ability of Duran, also with his very underrated defense, make him so unique.

Duran had a great jab, solid chin, and despite what he did between fights, his stamina was awesome.

Duran can be summed up what someone else stated: he is a LW who went to MW to fight one of the great of all time (Hagler) because he wanted to challenge the best. When Hagler was in his prime.

'Nuff said.
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I can see that. A lot of people forget how Duran started out, or that Leonard was basically using all of his skills to beat a SMALLER man.

Still, I have the question mark because Gans knocked out 100 guys, won 158 matches, and only lost 12 times. Not disagreeing with you. Duran is most certainly the greatest LW that has fought during my lifetime.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
something I didn’t see[/quote]

I’m sorry what did you say? Holy Avatar batman. WHO is that?