Mayweather - Alvarez

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
I don’t think anyone will get close to Mayweather now, so long as he doesn’t do anything stupid and fight on for another 10 years. Floyd is good enough that only someone who is a genuine future HoF and all time stand out fighter will be able to beat him, or even show whether there is any limit to his abilities to do any particular skill - a SRR, SRL, Tommy Hearns type. I don’t see any of them between welter and middleweight. Let’s face it, Mayweather just shut out a guy with 13lbs on him, to the point where Alvarez looked like he was going to cry at points. Floyd totally outclassed a legit contender, who seemed to be showing signs of having the talent to be a standout fighter. I actually feel sorry for Floyd that he will go his whole career without ever getting to find out just how good he is, and that his record will be a list of average or past their prime fighters, through no fault of his own, that will ensure he could never be placed in the top few of the truly all-time greats. I think the fact that Floyd doesn’t put guys away anymore when he is totally outclassing them suggests that he would come up short against the ATGs, but that’s just a personal suspicion. [/quote]

Agreed.

He was pushed once - years ago against Castillo - and a lot of people think he lost that fight.

That being said, I see no real competition except maybe Sergio Martinez. Any other fight with anybody will not be worth it and I wouldn’t buy any others. Not Garcia, Alexander, Amir Con, they’re all not worth the bout.

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Martinez is a true legend, but his best days are definitely behind him. I think it wouldn’t be a test for Floyd. I’ve heard Martinez has 1/2 fights left and is looking for a big send off, and Floyd say he wants to fight in Argentina. Could happen.

I don’t give him a chance, but I think Khans a possibility. guys got a huge following in and if Mayweather went to the UK, it would sell out an 80k stadium. Pro-Floyd crowd mind you lol, even if it is in the England. It wouldn’t be competitive but would certainly generate revenue.

Amir “Con” a bit harsh lol. Hes a decent enough guy, I don’t know why hes so unlikable? He’s exciting, fast, comes to fight, and as far as boxers go, his ego isn’t THAT big. I fought he was relatively popular in the USA. His defence is piss poor and his chin is made of glass, but hey, he cant change the latter.

Having said that, if hes willing to fight guys at middleweight, Gennady Golovkin is making some noise. I remember him saying hell fight anyone 154-168.

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I think its for his legacy. Since his first “retirement”, hes come back to beat Cotto, Marquez (in every round imo), Guerrero, Mosley - who ye was past his better years.

I think hes proud, and very bitter that he doesn’t get the acknowledgement (he at least) thinks he deserves. Look at the way the guy trains. like you say, he doesn’t NEED to, but he wants to. When Floyd Mayweather closes his eyes and goes to sleep at night, in his mind, hes the greatest boxer ever. No doubt. And I think it hurts him people question if hes even an ATG

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As to whether floyd goes down that path, idk man, wouldn’t you say floyd has already done everything he needed to do and then some many years ago? It’s certainly no longer an issue of money, lmao thats for sure.[/quote]

I think its for his legacy. Since his first “retirement”, hes come back to beat Cotto, Marquez (in every round imo), Guerrero, Mosley - who ye was past his better years.

I think hes proud, and very bitter that he doesn’t get the acknowledgement (he at least) thinks he deserves. Look at the way the guy trains. like you say, he doesn’t NEED to, but he wants to. When Floyd Mayweather closes his eyes and goes to sleep at night, in his mind, hes the greatest boxer ever. No doubt. And I think it hurts him people question if hes even an ATG

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FUCK THAT FIGHT AND FUCK MAYWEATHER

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
I don’t think anyone will get close to Mayweather now, so long as he doesn’t do anything stupid and fight on for another 10 years. Floyd is good enough that only someone who is a genuine future HoF and all time stand out fighter will be able to beat him, or even show whether there is any limit to his abilities to do any particular skill - a SRR, SRL, Tommy Hearns type. I don’t see any of them between welter and middleweight. Let’s face it, Mayweather just shut out a guy with 13lbs on him, to the point where Alvarez looked like he was going to cry at points. Floyd totally outclassed a legit contender, who seemed to be showing signs of having the talent to be a standout fighter. I actually feel sorry for Floyd that he will go his whole career without ever getting to find out just how good he is, and that his record will be a list of average or past their prime fighters, through no fault of his own, that will ensure he could never be placed in the top few of the truly all-time greats. I think the fact that Floyd doesn’t put guys away anymore when he is totally outclassing them suggests that he would come up short against the ATGs, but that’s just a personal suspicion. [/quote]

Agreed.

He was pushed once - years ago against Castillo - and a lot of people think he lost that fight.

That being said, I see no real competition except maybe Sergio Martinez. Any other fight with anybody will not be worth it and I wouldn’t buy any others. Not Garcia, Alexander, Amir Con, they’re all not worth the bout.[/quote]

Ye I agree. Martinez is quite a big bloke though, and could still possibly give Floyd more trouble. Realistically though, Floyd is just too good, even if Martinez would come in 20lbs heavier than him.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]CarltonJ wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Mayweather - next bernard hopkins?

Yknow I don’t think we give his technical mastery enough credit. Hand speed, reflexes, these are all things we can say decrease with age, but his sense of timing and control of distance is just second to none. Amazing.[/quote]

naaaa. hes far too intelligent for that. what for? hes already achieved more than Hopkins. I don’t see him taking punishment for the sake of it. u gotta no when to quit. and Hopkins clearly doesn’t. its admirable in one respect, winning a world title at 48, but hes clearly been damaged by it. just my opinion at least. [/quote]

Hopkins damaged?? Are we living in the same dimension??

The dude rarely takes any punishment, has been defensively sound his whole career, speaks perfectly and is very articulate at 48 years old.

I agree he’s already achieved more than Hopkins, although some might contend that Hopkins achievements are more impressive.

As to whether floyd goes down that path, idk man, wouldn’t you say floyd has already done everything he needed to do and then some many years ago? It’s certainly no longer an issue of money, lmao thats for sure.[/quote]

Truth. BHop is in good nick, and is still one of my favorite fighters to listen to talk.

I disagree personally that Floyd has achieved more than BHop. BHop’s resume is in a different class to Floyds, even if he lost some of them. Personally, I think he beat Calzaghe (and I like Joe), and has recorded some genuine world class wins against world class fighters.

Floyd by contrast has sort of done a Mike Tyson. Ye, he has smashed everyone, but you can make a strong argument to say he doesn’t belong amongst the best because he has mostly beaten guys from the silver circle. And even then, although he wins shutouts, he very rarely puts anyone away before the final bell.

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going to decision doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve the HOF.

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mayweather is too damn cautious and calculated
he is like gsp in mma, never taking any extra risk and winning by decision.
granted he can be orgasmic from the boxing purist point of view
but for casual boxing fans who want to see KOs and brawls he is absolutely horrible
rich merchant is right about, he takes the excitement out of fights
every big name fighter he fought was past prime…and he avoided pakman. never goat for me.

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Marquez wasnt passed it when Floyd educated him. Floyd is clearly much larger, but point is, Marquez best days weren’t close to being past him. and Marquez is a truly world class fighter.

And if its about putting people away then that would denote Vitali Klitschko is the greatest HW? Retired in 1 fight through injury and was stopped by the doctor against Lewis. everyone else he kos - with displaying absolutely little grace or boxing asthetics along the way.

As far as taking risks, fuck, Canelo had lost the fight after 7 rounds. where were his risks? yes, mayweather could have arguably finished off mosley, guerrero and potentially alvarez if he was more aggressive, but why take the risk when hes got 8+ rounds in the bag?

fact is, hes a relatively small guy, 5’8, 147lbs. its a different game to heavier guys . he has to ACTIVELY look for the knockout.

both mayweather and wladamir klitschko can do the same patient, “dull”, dominating style for 8 rounds, picking off opponents. but at the end of it, wlad’s opponents going to be in much worse shape. it doesnt come down to style. it comes down to the difference between a 147lb guy and a 247lb guy jabbing another guy in the head.

look at some of the pucnhes floyd landed on alvarez. at heavyweight those sort of clean blows take guys out. to deny him hof or a place amongst the greatest because of KO % is just another reason by haters. the competition has failed so they have to look somewhere else.
boxing isnt about knockouts for me. if u want to watch that, go to MMA and watch guys grapple on the floor before elbowing each other in the head. personally id rather watch mayweather (or any fighter) display skills in the sport of boxing.

look, anderson silva got ko recently, and if anyone wants to tell me that fight was more entertaining that floyd vs canelo then i guess we have very, very different ideas of entertainment.

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[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
mayweather is too damn cautious and calculated
he is like gsp in mma, never taking any extra risk and winning by decision.
granted he can be orgasmic from the boxing purist point of view
but for casual boxing fans who want to see KOs and brawls he is absolutely horrible
rich merchant is right about, he takes the excitement out of fights
every big name fighter he fought was past prime…and he avoided pakman. never goat for me.[/quote]

offered 40m for the fight and pac said no? who ducked who? look at floyds following. he had a right to more of the purse. he puts more bums on seats.

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[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
mayweather is too damn cautious and calculated
he is like gsp in mma, never taking any extra risk and winning by decision.
granted he can be orgasmic from the boxing purist point of view
but for casual boxing fans who want to see KOs and brawls he is absolutely horrible
rich merchant is right about, he takes the excitement out of fights
every big name fighter he fought was past prime…and he avoided pakman. never goat for me.[/quote]

Are you a boxer?

You can always tell the guys who don’t box, cause they’re the ones that want you to go out and throw hands like your chin has bricks in it and your hands can’t break. As the saying goes, “If you’re close enough to kill the bull, you’re close enough to get gored.”

Fact is, he could NEVER have knocked out Canelo. Guy is too big, too strong. Why risk it then, if you’re Floyd? lvarez wanted to stand there and box with him for some reason, and Mayweather whooped his ass. I see no problem with that. He just wasn’t good enough.

It’s not that Mayweather is too cautious, it’s that Alvarez didn’t know how to push him.Hatton pushed him a little, and you saw a great fight. Augustus pushed him, you saw a great fight. Cotto pushed him, you saw a great fight. Alvarez didn’t really know what to do, and it showed.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
mayweather is too damn cautious and calculated
he is like gsp in mma, never taking any extra risk and winning by decision.
granted he can be orgasmic from the boxing purist point of view
but for casual boxing fans who want to see KOs and brawls he is absolutely horrible
rich merchant is right about, he takes the excitement out of fights
every big name fighter he fought was past prime…and he avoided pakman. never goat for me.[/quote]

Are you a boxer?

You can always tell the guys who don’t box, cause they’re the ones that want you to go out and throw hands like your chin has bricks in it and your hands can’t break. As the saying goes, “If you’re close enough to kill the bull, you’re close enough to get gored.”
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Spot on, I used to dislike fighters who played it smart until I got a few good sparring sessions in. After that I’ve just spent my time watching those incredible technicians and trying to figure out how to gain just a little tiny bit of the edge they have.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]CarltonJ wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Mayweather - next bernard hopkins?

Yknow I don’t think we give his technical mastery enough credit. Hand speed, reflexes, these are all things we can say decrease with age, but his sense of timing and control of distance is just second to none. Amazing.[/quote]

naaaa. hes far too intelligent for that. what for? hes already achieved more than Hopkins. I don’t see him taking punishment for the sake of it. u gotta no when to quit. and Hopkins clearly doesn’t. its admirable in one respect, winning a world title at 48, but hes clearly been damaged by it. just my opinion at least. [/quote]

Hopkins damaged?? Are we living in the same dimension??

The dude rarely takes any punishment, has been defensively sound his whole career, speaks perfectly and is very articulate at 48 years old. [/quote]

Yeah I was going to say WTF?? You win a world championship fight against guys 20 years younger than you, I don’t think you’re damaged.

And as long as he holds the belt or is in the top couple contender spots, I don’t think you can legitimately say Hopkins should “know when to quit”–if you’re top 3 in the world in your weight class I feel like you’re in pretty rare air no matter the age.