What are the benefits to running 200-300mg/week Masteron? Boost in libido? Strength? I want to run it but it seems like many people say that the main benefit of Masteron is the temporary aesthetic improvement which disappears post cycle and that it doesn’t offer significant gains in mass. It seems most of what I’ve read might be parroting, I’d like to hear other differing opinions.
I’m thinking about adding it to a Tren cycle and a pretty high dose and am curious if it will provide any benefits such as increase mass gain, or enhance the recomping effect of Tren.
Mast is a favorite of many here. From the sounds of things you could add a few hundred mg’s a week of the mast and not have to worry about coming off; although that may be a separate issue. Im basically crusing on just mast and test right now myself. I will say that mast alongside tren and low dose test is wonderful. Although tren is the key and without question the most powerful component, mast is a very complimentary product.
Actually I was very surprised by the benefit a couple of years ago from just 100 mg/week Masteron (or more precisely, 15 mg/day) and some moderate dose of HCG with letrozole.
I get a prompt weight difference of 9 lb being “on” anabolic steroids vs not due, I believe, to increased glycogen and glycogen-associated water.
The surprise was that I got that even from this low dosage.
I’m not saying everyone will, but I did.
Plus there was a noticeable improvement in work capacity. Not as much as with a full-blown cycle, but not insignificant.
[quote]saps wrote:
I will say that mast alongside tren and low dose test is wonderful. Although tren is the key and without question the most powerful component, mast is a very complimentary product. [/quote]
Would you say the Masteron would have synergy with Tren and enhance its effects (recomp effect, increased mass, strength, etc)?
[quote]saps wrote:
I will say that mast alongside tren and low dose test is wonderful. Although tren is the key and without question the most powerful component, mast is a very complimentary product. [/quote]
Would you say the Masteron would have synergy with Tren and enhance its effects (recomp effect, increased mass, strength, etc)?[/quote]
Yes and no. Mast definitely helps as you call it recomp effects and strength to a small degree. I would not call mast a great mass builder how. But mast is going to enhance just about anything you pair it with in terms of stacking.
[quote]saps wrote:
I will say that mast alongside tren and low dose test is wonderful. Although tren is the key and without question the most powerful component, mast is a very complimentary product. [/quote]
Would you say the Masteron would have synergy with Tren and enhance its effects (recomp effect, increased mass, strength, etc)?[/quote]
Yes and no. Mast definitely helps as you call it recomp effects and strength to a small degree. I would not call mast a great mass builder how. But mast is going to enhance just about anything you pair it with in terms of stacking.[/quote]
How much would you say 600-800mg/week of Masteron would benefit a cycle consisting of 700mg/week Tren and a maintenance dose of Test? My goal is to recomp. I have a good amount of Tren Enan and Mast Enan at my disposal, and will be running either Var or Tbol as a jumpstart (leaning towards Var).
[quote]jMill2 wrote:
How much would you say 600-800mg/week of Masteron would benefit a cycle consisting of 700mg/week Tren and a maintenance dose of Test? My goal is to recomp. I have a good amount of Tren Enan and Mast Enan at my disposal, and will be running either Var or Tbol as a jumpstart (leaning towards Var).[/quote]
Fantastically. I ran 200-250mg/wk of test alongside 600 of mast and tren each and it was arguable the best cycle I ever did from both a strength and body comp point of view. [I also use[d] dbol as a pre workout booster]. The key is not letting the test get to high even 50mg too much and those tren sides start rearing their ugly heads
[quote]jMill2 wrote:
How much would you say 600-800mg/week of Masteron would benefit a cycle consisting of 700mg/week Tren and a maintenance dose of Test? My goal is to recomp. I have a good amount of Tren Enan and Mast Enan at my disposal, and will be running either Var or Tbol as a jumpstart (leaning towards Var).[/quote]
Fantastically. I ran 200-250mg/wk of test alongside 600 of mast and tren each and it was arguable the best cycle I ever did from both a strength and body comp point of view. [I also use[d] dbol as a pre workout booster]. The key is not letting the test get to high even 50mg too much and those tren sides start rearing their ugly heads[/quote]Yes, I am well aware of the concept of keeping Test low to minimize Tren sides and definitely a believer. Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness
I’m thinking Anavar might have more synergy with Tren than Turinabol with recomp in mind. Also, I would feel comfortable running it longer than Turinabol. So my cycle will probably look something like 700/700/150 Tren/Mast/Test along with Anavar the first 6-8 weeks. Not sure about the dose of Anavar. I’ve been searching the internet for bloodwork results from long, high-ish dosed Anavar cycles. So far from what I’ve seen, even when ran 8 weeks at a pretty high dose it doesn’t look to be very harsh on liver values (lipids are another story).
Yeah var seems to be more effective when its ran at 60mg+. 80mg would be preferable for me although Im very aware that for many var isn’t cheap. As far as liver sides go I have long proclaimed the greatest myth in the gear game is that 17AA orals will fry your liver after 6 weeks.
I’ve been taking dbol for the last 6 months and my liver values are all right in the middle of “normal range.” Now it should be noted that my use of dbol is taking it pre-workout only on training days. So basically 4 times a week I use 40mg. So average 160mg a week let’s say. That dose average out to what about 25mg a day if I took it ED. Further I am just taking it 4 times a week so my liver is only being asked to process this stuff it cannot 4 times a week. Compare that with someone who takes dbol in divided doses spread out. They might take it 4 times a day.
Yes, the determinant factor in liver problems from alkylated steroids appears to be duration of continuous use, not so much the amount.
I’ve long speculated, after a doctor suggested it to me, that having “off” days during the week might allow long term use of the alkylateds without any liver problem, but never myself tried it out till now, and didn’t know till your post of anyone else having tried it and having obtained lab values.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Yes, the determinant factor in liver problems from alkylated steroids appears to be duration of continuous use, not so much the amount.
I’ve long speculated, after a doctor suggested it to me, that having “off” days during the week might allow long term use of the alkylateds without any liver problem, but never myself tried it out till now, and didn’t know till your post of anyone else having tried it and having obtained lab values.[/quote]
Yeah I mean I pretty much train Mon Tue Thru Fri [sometimes just Mon Wed Fri] and I do believe the off days absolutely allow my liver not to get beat up too much. So as aforementioned 6 months so far and will keep going. Equally true in that 6 months lets call it 180 days given my average of 3-4 days of training a week I probably only did take the dbol 90-100 of those days and 80-90 of those days were dbol free. I don’t think I ever took it more than 3 days in a row too without a full off day
Yeah, I can actually get Var very cheap as well. Now you’ve got me wondering. Maybe instead I will take it continuous for the first 3-4 weeks, and then only take it on training days after that. I can pretty much run it as high as I want, the upper limit only being determined by side effects and liver safety. Maybe I will do 100mg/day for the first 3- weeks, and then 70mg/day pre-workout on training days. The only reason I am thinking about dropping from 100mg to 70mg is for liver safety, and I’ve never taken 100mg at once and don’t know (yet) if that would cause any sides such as head aches, back pumps, etc.
I ran 120mg/day with my last 2-week Tren cycle. It was pretty awesome. I feel the Var really contributed to my strength and I’ve never been so vascular. My bodyfat isn’t even that low and I had veins popping out like never before. Most of the effect seemed to remain post cycle, I think it might have something to do with Var somehow reducing fat just below the skin. I’ve heard about Var having that effect, and now I believe it does.
I’d say the strength and vascularity was more the tren than the var. Both together Im sure is better than tren only. But tren vs var is no contest in terms of what you mentioned
Definitely, I know most of the strength gains came from Tren. But I also feel strongly that Var contributed very noticeably when compared to previous cycles without Var. I’m not sure I agree that most of the increased vascularity came from Tren, though. I’d venture to say that, in my experience, Var at 120mg/day probably increased vascularity more than Tren did at comparable dosages.
Tren has an amazing overall recomping effect. But, as previously mentioned, Var seemed to target that fat just below the skin. When I looked at myself in the mirror it appeared almost like my skin was getting “thinner”, if that makes sense, which is something I haven’t noticed before.
For the original question of this thread, I have been on 315mg mast for 3 weeks now and have not needed to use nolva (serm) at all the last 2 weeks.
This is intresting.
Water retention dropped dramatically lost 3 kilos, vascularity through the roof like ive never seen before (I was doing 175mast/525tren before now 315mast/420tren), moods have completely stabilized and strength is up even though I had stressful times changing jobs and working some days day and night and missed 3 weeks of training because of it.
(*Note I was on 175mg mast previously not 200mg like I thought)
Im impressed.
Maybe its overdosed?
(*Note this is NOT a reccomendation just an experiment!)
100% agree. I’m currently running ONLY 50-60mgs of Mast e PER WEEK along side a serm and I’m seeing added benefits. Better pumps/ glycogen uptake, as well as a little improved strength. I’m sure most would laugh at this protocol, but I’m happy with it. Sure you won’t see huge gains with this but I think could work for a lot of people interested in slow, long term gains with small added benefits and none to minimal test suppression.