i~m so pumped about this
[quote]roybot wrote:
- Joss Whedon has promised references to the comics that newcomers will miss, but that dedicated readers will pick up on: Stark has been known to challenge divine beings in the comics and rejected Thor as a god in Ultimates. Perhaps this is one of those references?
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They could get away with this alone. SHIELD doesn’t even really believe Thor is a true god in the ultimate story lines. They think he is some crazy dude with extreme supernatural powers they can’t explain.
I see no reason for Thor fans to get pissed over that unless they raised the same hell with the Ultimate stories.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
- Joss Whedon has promised references to the comics that newcomers will miss, but that dedicated readers will pick up on: Stark has been known to challenge divine beings in the comics and rejected Thor as a god in Ultimates. Perhaps this is one of those references?
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They could get away with this alone. SHIELD doesn’t even really believe Thor is a true god in the ultimate story lines. They think he is some crazy dude with extreme supernatural powers they can’t explain.
I see no reason for Thor fans to get pissed over that unless they raised the same hell with the Ultimate stories.[/quote]
I agree. I enjoy the mythology of the old version but The Ultimate version kinda gave me back the “wonder” I had as a kid. No one guy was so powerful he couldn’t be challenged.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
- Joss Whedon has promised references to the comics that newcomers will miss, but that dedicated readers will pick up on: Stark has been known to challenge divine beings in the comics and rejected Thor as a god in Ultimates. Perhaps this is one of those references?
[/quote]
They could get away with this alone. SHIELD doesn’t even really believe Thor is a true god in the ultimate story lines. They think he is some crazy dude with extreme supernatural powers they can’t explain.
I see no reason for Thor fans to get pissed over that unless they raised the same hell with the Ultimate stories.[/quote]
Agreed. Thor spent a large portion of his solo movie as a delusional drifter. I’m a Thor fan, but Sam Jackson is really bringing the intensity and conviction in the trailers.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
- Joss Whedon has promised references to the comics that newcomers will miss, but that dedicated readers will pick up on: Stark has been known to challenge divine beings in the comics and rejected Thor as a god in Ultimates. Perhaps this is one of those references?
[/quote]
They could get away with this alone. SHIELD doesn’t even really believe Thor is a true god in the ultimate story lines. They think he is some crazy dude with extreme supernatural powers they can’t explain.
I see no reason for Thor fans to get pissed over that unless they raised the same hell with the Ultimate stories.[/quote]
I agree. I enjoy the mythology of the old version but The Ultimate version kinda gave me back the “wonder” I had as a kid. No one guy was so powerful he couldn’t be challenged. [/quote]
There’s no fun to be had in that anyway.
I just watched that best part (we all know what it is) about 14 times.
Comic books saved Hollywood.
Who knew?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Comic books saved Hollywood.
Who knew?[/quote]
I’m very critical of CG but I seem to accept it in superhero movies for two big reasons:
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If they didn’t use CG the movie would never get made without looking really shitty (for example: I don’t want Hulk to be a bodybuilder painted green)
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comics are drawings anyway so I seem to forgive anything that doesn’t look 100% real.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I just watched that best part (we all know what it is) about 14 times.[/quote]
Yeah that was awesome!!!
Hulk Smash!!
My hope is the film has more of Hulk speaking since he could in Incredible Hulk
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I just watched that best part (we all know what it is) about 14 times.[/quote]
Yeah that was awesome!!!
Hulk Smash!!
My hope is the film has more of Hulk speaking since he could in Incredible Hulk[/quote]
I expect every character to shine except for Thor.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I just watched that best part (we all know what it is) about 14 times.[/quote]
Yeah that was awesome!!!
Hulk Smash!!
My hope is the film has more of Hulk speaking since he could in Incredible Hulk[/quote]
I expect every character to shine except for Thor. [/quote]
I don’t know the Thor vs Cap fight will be good
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I just watched that best part (we all know what it is) about 14 times.[/quote]
Yeah that was awesome!!!
Hulk Smash!!
My hope is the film has more of Hulk speaking since he could in Incredible Hulk[/quote]
I expect every character to shine except for Thor. [/quote]
I don’t know the Thor vs Cap fight will be good[/quote]
I’d bet money that Cap outclasses Thor in the fight. I can feel it.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Latest TV spot shows Stark doesn’t need ball-buster armor to trash talk Loki. The aliens also finally get their close up with the first real view of what they look like:
Hulk decides the E.Ts are too ugly, and performs a delicate facial reconstruction procedure on two of them…using the side of a building…[/quote]
Sheninigans!!! Thor is a god not a demigod a demigod is a being who has one parent who is a god and the other a human Hercules is a demigod, Achilles is a demigod, Odin, Thor, and Zeus are gods[/quote]
You’re technically correct, but I know of two reasons why Thor would be demoted to a demi-god, other than a needless depowering:
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The producers don’t want Thor stealing the thunder of the #1 God and are trying to avoid any Bible-thumping backlash. People can get very sensitive about that kind of thing in movies…
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Joss Whedon has promised references to the comics that newcomers will miss, but that dedicated readers will pick up on: Stark has been known to challenge divine beings in the comics and rejected Thor as a god in Ultimates. Perhaps this is one of those references?
Even though the Thor movie doesn’t draw heavily on Ultimate Thor, it does re-work the backstory enough to cast doubt on whether Thor is truly a god or a being who has come to be known as one over millennia. It’s still consistent with classic Thor but edges more towards Arthur C. Clarke tinted sci-fi. I wrote quite a lot about it in the Comic Chracter Battles thread:
The idea that Thor is ‘something else’ was proposed by Kirby himself and is far more interesting (at least to me) than a blanket explanation of “Thor is a god - he can beat everyone”. Kirby brings a modern mythology to bear on an ancient myth.[/quote]
He can beat everyone…except the hulk.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Latest TV spot shows Stark doesn’t need ball-buster armor to trash talk Loki. The aliens also finally get their close up with the first real view of what they look like:
Hulk decides the E.Ts are too ugly, and performs a delicate facial reconstruction procedure on two of them…using the side of a building…[/quote]
Sheninigans!!! Thor is a god not a demigod a demigod is a being who has one parent who is a god and the other a human Hercules is a demigod, Achilles is a demigod, Odin, Thor, and Zeus are gods[/quote]
You’re technically correct, but I know of two reasons why Thor would be demoted to a demi-god, other than a needless depowering:
-
The producers don’t want Thor stealing the thunder of the #1 God and are trying to avoid any Bible-thumping backlash. People can get very sensitive about that kind of thing in movies…
-
Joss Whedon has promised references to the comics that newcomers will miss, but that dedicated readers will pick up on: Stark has been known to challenge divine beings in the comics and rejected Thor as a god in Ultimates. Perhaps this is one of those references?
Even though the Thor movie doesn’t draw heavily on Ultimate Thor, it does re-work the backstory enough to cast doubt on whether Thor is truly a god or a being who has come to be known as one over millennia. It’s still consistent with classic Thor but edges more towards Arthur C. Clarke tinted sci-fi. I wrote quite a lot about it in the Comic Chracter Battles thread:
The idea that Thor is ‘something else’ was proposed by Kirby himself and is far more interesting (at least to me) than a blanket explanation of “Thor is a god - he can beat everyone”. Kirby brings a modern mythology to bear on an ancient myth.[/quote]
He can beat everyone…except the hulk.[/quote]
Disagree, sir. Should be a good movie, though.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Latest TV spot shows Stark doesn’t need ball-buster armor to trash talk Loki. The aliens also finally get their close up with the first real view of what they look like:
Hulk decides the E.Ts are too ugly, and performs a delicate facial reconstruction procedure on two of them…using the side of a building…[/quote]
Sheninigans!!! Thor is a god not a demigod a demigod is a being who has one parent who is a god and the other a human Hercules is a demigod, Achilles is a demigod, Odin, Thor, and Zeus are gods[/quote]
You’re technically correct, but I know of two reasons why Thor would be demoted to a demi-god, other than a needless depowering:
-
The producers don’t want Thor stealing the thunder of the #1 God and are trying to avoid any Bible-thumping backlash. People can get very sensitive about that kind of thing in movies…
-
Joss Whedon has promised references to the comics that newcomers will miss, but that dedicated readers will pick up on: Stark has been known to challenge divine beings in the comics and rejected Thor as a god in Ultimates. Perhaps this is one of those references?
Even though the Thor movie doesn’t draw heavily on Ultimate Thor, it does re-work the backstory enough to cast doubt on whether Thor is truly a god or a being who has come to be known as one over millennia. It’s still consistent with classic Thor but edges more towards Arthur C. Clarke tinted sci-fi. I wrote quite a lot about it in the Comic Chracter Battles thread:
The idea that Thor is ‘something else’ was proposed by Kirby himself and is far more interesting (at least to me) than a blanket explanation of “Thor is a god - he can beat everyone”. Kirby brings a modern mythology to bear on an ancient myth.[/quote]
He can beat everyone…except the hulk.[/quote]
Disagree, sir. Should be a good movie, though.[/quote]
I remember reading many comic books back in the day, though thor always gave the hulk a good fight, the hulk always won.
For Roybot and Thor fans.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Latest TV spot shows Stark doesn’t need ball-buster armor to trash talk Loki. The aliens also finally get their close up with the first real view of what they look like:
Hulk decides the E.Ts are too ugly, and performs a delicate facial reconstruction procedure on two of them…using the side of a building…[/quote]
Sheninigans!!! Thor is a god not a demigod a demigod is a being who has one parent who is a god and the other a human Hercules is a demigod, Achilles is a demigod, Odin, Thor, and Zeus are gods[/quote]
You’re technically correct, but I know of two reasons why Thor would be demoted to a demi-god, other than a needless depowering:
-
The producers don’t want Thor stealing the thunder of the #1 God and are trying to avoid any Bible-thumping backlash. People can get very sensitive about that kind of thing in movies…
-
Joss Whedon has promised references to the comics that newcomers will miss, but that dedicated readers will pick up on: Stark has been known to challenge divine beings in the comics and rejected Thor as a god in Ultimates. Perhaps this is one of those references?
Even though the Thor movie doesn’t draw heavily on Ultimate Thor, it does re-work the backstory enough to cast doubt on whether Thor is truly a god or a being who has come to be known as one over millennia. It’s still consistent with classic Thor but edges more towards Arthur C. Clarke tinted sci-fi. I wrote quite a lot about it in the Comic Chracter Battles thread:
The idea that Thor is ‘something else’ was proposed by Kirby himself and is far more interesting (at least to me) than a blanket explanation of “Thor is a god - he can beat everyone”. Kirby brings a modern mythology to bear on an ancient myth.[/quote]
He can beat everyone…except the hulk.[/quote]
Disagree, sir. Should be a good movie, though.[/quote]
I remember reading many comic books back in the day, though thor always gave the hulk a good fight, the hulk always won.[/quote]
Their fights usually end in a draw. But if both used their full range of abilities and tried to kill one another, Thor would win.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
For Roybot and Thor fans.[/quote]
Not a bad article. Basically he wants Thor to be written like the "gods’ in the DC universe.
If Marvel wrote Thor like that they would get the same complaints that DC gets for Superman. Like, [whiny ass bitch font]“He’s too powerful, I can’t relate.” [/whiny ass bitch font], and other vaginal seepage. If Vertigo wrote a book using that model for Thor it would probably kick all kinds of ass for 60-100 issues.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
For Roybot and Thor fans.[/quote]
That article completely ignores the greater mythology Kirby built around the Norse gods. For gods from different religions to co-exist in the MU, it was a necessary step. All deities are given credit by their worshippers for creating life, in the words of Connor Mcleod: “there can only be one”.
There is no practical way to give Thor his full due as a god without putting the Asgardians at the top of the religious tree (that would mean that Asgardians created life on Earth), and the fans who feel hard done by would be shit out of luck as the writers would have run out of ways to use him years ago. They could create worthy foes for an ‘unbeatable’ Thor, but he is still going to lose sometimes, and if he is the only hero powerful enough to battle these enemies, then we may as well just get rid of The Avengers altogether. Why would Thor need them?
Besides that, Marvel Thor is no more the Thor worshipped by vikings than the Perseus from Wrath of the Titans is the same hero spoken of by the ancient Greeks. I really don’t see what the big deal is; it’s not as if Pagan religious groups are up in arms over the ‘inaccuracies’ in the movie and comic books…