[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
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[quote]four60 wrote:
My hope for the Avengers is Whedon takes one of the recent Marvel wars (Skrull, Civil) turn it into a trilogy and end it before they get old. Star Wars, Batman, Matrix has shown us this will keep people on the edge and drooling for the next show.
Fingers Crossed because I just think it will get old if the keep looking for new Super bad guys each movie.[/quote]
That’s one reason why superhero franchises generally fizzle out so quickly. They don’t map out a long term story arc and keep the biggest, baddest villains for later movies. They usually throw in the most well known enemies early on and get left with second-tier adversaries for the sequels. Where do you go from there? [/quote]
I feel like that’s what they’re currently doing with Batman.[/quote]
Batman is an exception. If Batman and Robin hadn’t nosedived, Warner Brahs would never have given Nolan total creative control. Every villain so far were chosen for their capacity to both challenge Batman and drive his development: Ducard was a surrogate father, Scarecrow embodied the theme of fear, Dent was the symbol of justice and hope that fell (his crimes as Two-Face will be exposed by Bane, leading to every criminal Dent convicted being released), Joker was drawn to Gotham by escalation of crime and everything he does pushes that escalation to the point of chaos.
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Ya, I’m not as well-versed on DC comics as Marvel, most of what I know of Batman is from that popular cartoon that came out when I was a teenager (which I will say does not tell you much about him from the comics).
That comment was because I always thought of Bane as being a secondary character and was a little disappointed that he was the main bad guy in the next movie (I still think it’s pretty much impossible for the next one to live up to the hype left over from the last one, so I’m still gonna go into it expecting to be at least a little disappointed).
But my roommate set me straight and said that Bane was much more than just a mindless, super-juicing, top-level henchman for other Batman bad guys. So I will retract that statement.
If anything, it was good for getting you to have that great explanation of all the baddies in his movies recently. Very well put.[/quote]
Thanks. I was just trying to illustrate how Nolan’s approach to villain selection hasn’t let us down yet (the studios initially tried to push Nolan to cast Dicaprio as The Riddler - probably after the success of Inception). I agree that Nolan may have upped the ante too much with TDKR and left too little in reserve for the finale, but he has always said since Batman Begins that he would never hold good material in reserve for sequels and would end the story if the creative well ran dry .
I look at the trilogy as a whole: the middle part of a story arc should be the best. I’m really looking forward to the conclusion because this incarnation of Batman is going to hang up his cloak and cowl for good. He’s either going to die or clean up Gotham to the point where Batman is no longer needed.
Nolan said he and David Goyer came up with the ending first and worked backwards. If BB was about fear, TDKR explores pain. With pain as the theme, Bane makes sense as a villain. He’s not the inflatable oaf seen in Batman & Robin.
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Oh ya, I can tell by the preview that he isn’t like the original movie version (or Batman cartoon version) that I always thought Bane was like in the comics, too. I’m guessing he’s more like the version that paralyzed Batman and started the alternate Batman comics some time ago (I think, correct me if I’m wrong).
I guess Batman doesn’t ALWAYS win, afterall. So in that regard, it does make sense to use the one villain that beat Batman that one time (unless there are other times I’m unaware of).[/quote]
It’s partly based on Knightfall, but other storylines are in the mix: Bruce Wayne looks older and seven years have gone by between the end of TDK and TDKR, so The Dark Knight Returns is a major influence, plus Batman’s origins will be revisited. I don’t know if Batman will truimph - everybody expects him to, coz he’s Batman, but Nolan has always treated Bats as if it’s the first time there’s ever been a movie based on him. That’s why I’m stoked for the conclusion. There’s the faint possibility that Nolan will kill him off.