You guys, especially Zeb, are being dicks. I know that the touchless knockout using energy works. I can name a bunch of people who’ve used it with great success…all masters by the way…
Master Kenobi
Master Yoda
Master Skywalker
Master Gon Jin
But, much like Zeb, there will always be eivl people who use the power for bad things like…
Darth Sidious, who mastered the technique to the point where he could actually shoot lightning at people.
Darth Vader
I will admit the master is a little overweight, but maybe he’s actually skinny but master yoda is hiding in his gi?
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
You guys, especially Zeb, are being dicks. I know that the touchless knockout using energy works. I can name a bunch of people who’ve used it with great success…all masters by the way…
Master Kenobi
Master Yoda
Master Skywalker
Master Gon Jin
But, much like Zeb, there will always be eivl people who use the power for bad things like…
Darth Sidious, who mastered the technique to the point where he could actually shoot lightning at people.
Darth Vader
I will admit the master is a little overweight, but maybe he’s actually skinny but master yoda is hiding in his gi?[/quote]
How would you feel if a friend of yours was trained by that “instructor” and tried his magic trick on the street and got busted up?
I don’t think we are hard enough on frauds like that!
you old codger…it was a joke. That guy is completly moronic. He’s fat and using a contact-less knock out punch. Honestly, I think most american run karate schools are frauds. When a 10yo kid is a black belt, I lose faith in the system.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
You guys, especially Zeb, are being dicks. I know that the touchless knockout using energy works. I can name a bunch of people who’ve used it with great success…all masters by the way…
Master Kenobi
Master Yoda
Master Skywalker
Master Gon Jin
But, much like Zeb, there will always be eivl people who use the power for bad things like…
Darth Sidious, who mastered the technique to the point where he could actually shoot lightning at people.
Darth Vader
I will admit the master is a little overweight, but maybe he’s actually skinny but master yoda is hiding in his gi?
How would you feel if a friend of yours was trained by that “instructor” and tried his magic trick on the street and got busted up?
I don’t think we are hard enough on frauds like that!
you old codger…it was a joke. That guy is completly moronic. He’s fat and using a contact-less knock out punch. Honestly, I think most american run karate schools are frauds. When a 10yo kid is a black belt, I lose faith in the system.[/quote]
I used to think that too. But shit, ive seen a 10 year old BB destroy a non BB 10 year old in a sparring match.
I guess age and weight class are always concidered, even up to adulthood.
you old codger…it was a joke. That guy is completly moronic. He’s fat and using a contact-less knock out punch. Honestly, I think most american run karate schools are frauds. When a 10yo kid is a black belt, I lose faith in the system.[/quote]
Oh sorry man…Whenever I see that I’m being called a dick, and your name is at the top of the post I start to take it seriously. What with you not being a Zeb fan and all…
I agree that there are countless Mcdojos giving martial arts a bad name. And Dim mak is a joke. There are soft spots of the body to hit, but thats just common sense. One thing though, just because someone is fat doesn’t mean they can’t fight. There are some tough s.o.b.s that are overweight. Really though. British doorman/jujitsu master Trevor Roberts comes to mind. Don’t make the mistake of confusing fitness with getting your ass kicked.
I’m just kidding with you man. It was a star wars reference…please tell me you know of Star Wars? I actually agree with you.
My cousin took his kids (ages 8-12ish) to a US Martial Arts dojo…they were moving up belt levels almost monthly…along with a hefty fee for each “test” at each level.
Maybe a 10yo black belt could kick ass…but, i’ve know way too many guys who were black belts in some form of karate who couldn’t beat their meat. If someone said, “hey, i’ve been taking judo/ju-jitsu, etc for 5 years” then, I’d have respect…but when I see a 35lb 10yo “master” I get suspicious.
I have learned the hardest way possible to never underestimate the danger of a pissed off fatboy.
Obviously his touchless demo failed. But some of you guys are being a little hasty in totally dismissing him.
All the nerves he hit when he was actually hitting people, I am familiar with. They will hurt like hell if properly activated.
No Zeb I didn’t forget to block. I was in a traditional karate school. Pain is part of the tradition. My sensei used to say “if you don’t want to get bruised you can go to the dance school up the street”.
As a simple matter of survival in a dojo, it is not proper ettiquette to go around challenging your seniors.
I am totally against anyone under 18 year old a becoming black belt. It is a real disservice to a student to promote them so rapidly.
A black belt should mean something. For a young student it’s easily as much about coming of age and becoming an adult as anything else.
When you make a child a black belt you are denying them that experience.
Giving a school child a blackbelt then sending them to school is almost as irresponsible as giving them a gun.
One of the hardest things to deal with as a teacher is parents. If you are running a commercial school it’s pretty much impossible to keep them in check, because they all want a god damn prodigy.
Make no mistake just because there are a lot of Mcdojo’s it doesn’t mean everyone is. I could tell you some stories of people going around dojo’s challenging people and getting way more than they bargained for.
One of the easiest ways to open up a can of whuppass on yourself in the martial arts is underestimating an opponent.
I saw that shit on the simpsons, it was awesome! I’m moving to Chicago so I can learn the Dim Mak. I wanna be just like that guy. The best part is, I can give up dieting and working out to lose weight, and just be a cool fat bastard who knows the death touch and can knock out any trained fighter I come across.
Seriously, I think he just didn’t have enough psychic power to knock out those fighters. That guy’s like Luke Skywalker trying to pick up his ship, he thinks it’s too big, so it becomes too big. Yoda said, “Do, or do not!” I will do! I have the POWER. When I learn it, I will be able to knock over tall people and small buildings with only a wave of my hand. Wait till the UFC sees this shit! Hahaha, bodybuilders are pussies! Wait, don’t jump me till I learn the death touch… wait — AAAAHHHH!!!
You forgot “Master Hoss”. I’m about to lay the death touch on some CHO for the next 36 hours. Watch me attain a 100% success rate. They ALL fall down!..
My gullet…
DH
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
You guys, especially Zeb, are being dicks. I know that the touchless knockout using energy works. I can name a bunch of people who’ve used it with great success…all masters by the way…
Master Kenobi
Master Yoda
Master Skywalker
Master Gon Jin
But, much like Zeb, there will always be eivl people who use the power for bad things like…
Darth Sidious, who mastered the technique to the point where he could actually shoot lightning at people.
Darth Vader
I will admit the master is a little overweight, but maybe he’s actually skinny but master yoda is hiding in his gi?[/quote]
All that crap works in the safety of the dojo. Out in the streets there is less room for error and bullshit. None of that crap works when adrenaline is pumping. Sure everyone has soft spots but when they are altered chemically, ingested or natural chem imbalance, then what…?
Actually even in the dojo when you remove the constraints and allow full out “attacks” this crap falls apart. Sorry for the reality check but such is life. The dojo is a lab and the environment is ripe for believing everything that works there works in the real world. Unfortunately very few things work the exact way they do in a lab and this “energy” death douche is crap.
Please do what you do in the dojo and bow out of this topic if you believe in this nonsense.
I’m just kidding with you man. It was a star wars reference…please tell me you know of Star Wars? I actually agree with you.
My cousin took his kids (ages 8-12ish) to a US Martial Arts dojo…they were moving up belt levels almost monthly…along with a hefty fee for each “test” at each level.
Maybe a 10yo black belt could kick ass…but, i’ve know way too many guys who were black belts in some form of karate who couldn’t beat their meat. If someone said, “hey, i’ve been taking judo/ju-jitsu, etc for 5 years” then, I’d have respect…but when I see a 35lb 10yo “master” I get suspicious.[/quote]
Yea…actually I’m only too familiar with Star Wars. My kids are huge fans and you know who ends up watching it with them…
You sound like you know what you are talking about and I certainly agree with you.
My only point was, just about any technique can hurt someone if the guy just stands there and allows it to happen.
I don’t think these “death touches” are any exception. Obviously, there are certain parts of the body that are softer and more vulnerable than others. However, the real skill lies not in being able to touch that spot and hurt someone. I think the real skill lies in actually getting to that specific spot in a combat situation. Therein lies my problem with the “instructor” in the vidio, and all of these “death touch” guys.
I have a great technique: Stand there in ready stance and let me kick you in the nuts. See my point?
Is that magical?
Now try to kick someone in the groin when he does not want you to and in fact is trying to take your head off…ahhh different story. Same with these “death touches.”
I’m sure they hurt, but I am never ever going to be impressed with any of the gurus who dispense this sort of pain showing me on a hapless uke, unless I know that they can do it under combat conditions. Against an opponent not only trying to stop them, but trying to hurt them as well.
I am in no way implying that you should challenge your instructor…I think you know what I mean.
Don’t confuse nerve strikes with some kind of “death touch”.
Not all the nerves that would be targeted are in soft areas. Some of the most excrutiating are on top of a bone with little to almost no flesh on top of them.
Hit one of those with a bone strike so the nerve is caught between two bones and you will cause pain.
A good example of this was a k1 match I watched this week on espn2. A 6’11’ 315 pound man was brought down crying in pain with such a strike.
Those forearm nerves that guy in the dim mak video was using are real useful if you are trying to disarm someone, they are also what you might want to go for if someone tries to grapple you.
I do agree that some things that look good in the dojo are not practical for real life.
The pressure point control tactics that are taught to police is an off shoot of tuite. So don’t say this stuff would never work in a real situation as it gets used all the time.
You’re just not going to be shooting fireballs like Ryu or Ken.
No one here ever goes to bullshido.com? Where are all the UG/OG guys?
The only point I’m gonna disagree on here is granting 10 year olds a blackbelt. That belt is a representation of time and effort put forth. Lot’s of jackasses are handed out blackbelts for cash, but many are earned. There are still a few studio’s out there. If a child puts 5 years into something, they get something to show for it. Don’t discredit them because they worked hard to earn something, only discredit them when they shoot their mouths and get there asses kicked.
Haha, what a crock! Take a look at www.russianmartialart.com, its a bunch of the same deluded martial artists who think they are superheroes. The training clips are quite hilarious.
-MAtt
The problem with giving children black belts is it it too much, too fast, too soon.
Several years ago there was a school fair that I drove by on my way to the dojo I was training at. At this fair a group of teenagers ganged up on a kid beat him down and stomped him into the ground. This kid died from this assault.
When I read about it in the news paper I learned that out of the 5 or6 kids that participated in the assault, the one did more than all the others was a 16 year old black belt.
I have no doubt that what motivated that child was to show off and impress his boys what a badass he was. Why? Because he was a black belt.
That black belt made that child think he was a man and he was going to prove it to his freinds by showing that he could fuck this kid up worse than the rest of them.
This case is a clear example of why you don’t give children black belts. They do not have the maturity to deal with it. I’ve seen adults that didn’t have the maturity to deal with it.
High school is an immature volatile environment. It’s not just the kid you are giving the black belt to, it’s all the kids around him and how they are going to deal with it as well.
Children do not need to be black belts. If it weren’t for commercial pressures and overzealous parents there wouldn’t be any.
Sorry if this is off topic, but it was something I felt very strongly about, even before a kid died over it.
