Pass. Not my area of expertise. Hence 203lbs
Slightly off-topic here but that’s surely well within a margin of error, no? Since even carefully measuring everything you consume AND assuming that the nutrition info/labels are 100% accurate won’t result in knowing your exact, to-the-nearest-kcal intake, your 3,000kcal could have been 2,750 and your 2,800 could have been 3,000. Both only a <10% error, but if your true TDEE was 2,875 or similar you would have seen yourself losing weight at “3,000” and gaining at “2,800”.
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Okay, I should say gaining monstrously.
As in 3000 kcal → maintaining, maybe losing weight
2800 kcal → why is my scale moving up hundreds of grams every day?
But you might be perfectly correct. I have weight issues and memory is fickle.
I often find myself hungrier on rest days or days after rest days. My layman’s answer is that the rest days let your body to fully enter recovery/build mode, which requires more fuel.
I also agree with the general idea that protein powders/bars etc are pretty worthless as a main source of protein. They absolutely seem to fuck with digestion, for whatever reason. It seems a pretty short leap to go from that to assuming they don’t absorb well.
My experience has been that at the sharp end of a diet they have a place to make up a small portion of daily protein, because they have no real additional macros. They only work if, first of, you pick a good one that agrees with you; and if you’re eating plenty of vegetables and whole foods.
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100% agreed here. I can use protein shakes regularly to lose weight, I find them fairly worthless for gaining weight.
My take is that the human body is complicated and i am dumb. The more details I get bogged down in, the more trouble I get myself in.
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I wonder if all protein powder is equal in this regard. **looks at Velocity Diet**
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I’ve done a similar set up to the velocity diet on budget ingredients. It works for weight loss as well as biological warfare.
Probably not. Biotest products in my experience are a cut above the rest. Granite Supplements seem good too. Here is Aus Bulk Nutrients are good, but taste is very, very bland.
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It seems pretty easy to approximate using whole foods. Won’t make it quite as high protein, but I’d venture you can get pretty close to it with quark and cottage cheese, and some egg whites. But for me personally, going from eating wholesome foods to a caloric intake of 9-11x BW depending on the day is a shortcut to triggering a binge-type event.
Haven’t tried Metabolic Drive. But I agree, as far as supplement lines go it’s one I associate with quality.
Hehe, I like names that allow you to immediately comprehend what they’re about. The best product I’ve found nationally that’s not imported is called “Tyngre” (translates to “heavier”).
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I suspect going to such low calories would do that to anyone
If you are like me (according to my wife) and have no taste buds, their stuff is yummy !! 
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Haha, yup, but that’s what the VD lands me at. And I’m a lightweight.
They’re very good in respect of their products doing a good job. They save money on flavouring. My take is that if they tarted their packaging up and invested in flavouring they would be up there with Biotest. So would the price though
I don’t really have any bland supplements but if I did I imagine I could “save” it with some LiquiFlav.
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Probably, but why? The original does the job.
I think this is the crux of it. We can all knock together diet plans that could work. The problem is finding ones that we will do day in, day out for years.
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Well, I’d pay more to import the supplements than I would for the actual supplements…?
True.
For long-term sustainability, I think the Precision Nutrition model would be feasible for a lot of people. They wouldn’t necessarily gain or lose weight, depending on their starting point of course, but could probably recomp without ever tracking their eating. At least with people that don’t have the problem with instinctive undereating.
For semi-rapid fat-loss without tracking, maybe the “green faces” diet (if it’s green, had a face, or was going to grow up to have a face you can eat it) would work. It’s quite satiating eating a enormous slab of meat.
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Substitute a protein shake you can get hold of cheaply.
But then we are back to the fact that Biotest > a lot of other brands 
I can’t comment either way. As previously mentioned, I am dumb and have no experience to draw on either way.
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Even if shipping was free, there’s no way something like Plazma is worth the money. It’s US$70 for a 1.3kg bag, which according to the mixing instructions will last you about six training sessions.