Hurting puppies for fun disqualifies the perpetrator as human in the eyes of many.
I hope those idiots get some serious ass-whooping. In Sweden, they would face up to two years in prison. Don’t even get me started on what the Brits would do to that nutjob.
“The more I see of men, the more I prefer dogs.”
–Madame de Stael
[quote]Vegita wrote:
will to power wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
will to power wrote:
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Your ‘theory’ is that man’s only natural enemy is man, and it’s nonsense. Man has had plenty of predators, including wild dogs. The fact that there are long standing domesticated dog species is far less natural than dogs as a food source or as predators.
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Dogs have been a much bigger help to mankind than they have been a threat.
I agree completely. I just think the idea put forward, that there has never been a natural reason to kill a dog, is absurd.
You speak in too many absolutes friend, “Never” is not what I was getting at, I am sure over the course of history, dogs have killed humans. In fact it routinely makes the news and we just had a thread about it not too long ago. What do you do if a pittbull is charging you. In any event, Man is the #1 killer of Man and it’s not even close, it’s not even remotely close. I would wager that all the other animals that killed man ever, put together would still not even be close. Man has no natural predators that are more dangerous than other men. If you did a list of things men could be killed by, another man would be first, a dog would be WAY down the list, and a puppy would be close to dead last. Any single guy who has lived with only his dog can tell you what true friendship is. Anyone here who does not get the terribleness of this act, must not have ever had a dog themselves.
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I was accusing you of speaking in absolutes rather than speaking in them myself. Note that my whole argument was against your use of man is man’s only enemy, rather than your now revised no1 enemy. Though it was not that case in ages past.
Moving on from the predator thing, you are labeling using dogs as food a vile act, and referring to killing dogs as worse than killing a human being. These are what I seriously disagree with, and it has nothing to do with the pets I’ve had in the past. First, are you telling me you think the millions [I’m guessing, figures not really important] of people who eat dogs are equatable to cannibals, or that it in some way makes them immoral?
For the second statement, if you actually believed that then you would consider harsher punishments for puppy killing than murder justifiable. Is this actually your point of view?
[quote]will to power wrote:
Vegita wrote:
will to power wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
will to power wrote:
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Your ‘theory’ is that man’s only natural enemy is man, and it’s nonsense. Man has had plenty of predators, including wild dogs. The fact that there are long standing domesticated dog species is far less natural than dogs as a food source or as predators.
…
Dogs have been a much bigger help to mankind than they have been a threat.
I agree completely. I just think the idea put forward, that there has never been a natural reason to kill a dog, is absurd.
You speak in too many absolutes friend, “Never” is not what I was getting at, I am sure over the course of history, dogs have killed humans. In fact it routinely makes the news and we just had a thread about it not too long ago. What do you do if a pittbull is charging you. In any event, Man is the #1 killer of Man and it’s not even close, it’s not even remotely close. I would wager that all the other animals that killed man ever, put together would still not even be close. Man has no natural predators that are more dangerous than other men. If you did a list of things men could be killed by, another man would be first, a dog would be WAY down the list, and a puppy would be close to dead last. Any single guy who has lived with only his dog can tell you what true friendship is. Anyone here who does not get the terribleness of this act, must not have ever had a dog themselves.
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I was accusing you of speaking in absolutes rather than speaking in them myself. Note that my whole argument was against your use of man is man’s only enemy, rather than your now revised no1 enemy. Though it was not that case in ages past.
Moving on from the predator thing, you are labeling using dogs as food a vile act, and referring to killing dogs as worse than killing a human being. These are what I seriously disagree with, and it has nothing to do with the pets I’ve had in the past. First, are you telling me you think the millions [I’m guessing, figures not really important] of people who eat dogs are equatable to cannibals, or that it in some way makes them immoral?
For the second statement, if you actually believed that then you would consider harsher punishments for puppy killing than murder justifiable. Is this actually your point of view?[/quote]
You want my honest opinion? If some gang banger kills another gang banger because of a turf war, it’s no different than what we did to the native americans who inhabited this continent before us. Should we imprison our whole society, because it was built of something that is now punishable by jail time? No, because THAT is human nature. Conflicts will exist, they always have they always will. The context and the victim are important IMHO to the degree of punishment inflicted. If someone kills a woman after raping her, then they are a predator of humans and should be destroyed, not locked up forever, but destroyed, like a dog that mauls someone. If two kids or even adults get in a fight over a girl and emotions get the better of them and one shoots the other. They were defending what they thought was thiers, be it a girl, a street block, a farm, whatever. If people kill because they feel something of thiers is being threatened, hell thats human nature. I am a believer in genetic memory, like how birds know how to migrate even if there is no other birds to show them. People are genetecally programmed to view other humans as a threat, and to act upon that threat if they feel threatened. Now that doesn’t mean there isn’t crossover, as someone who has the capacity to kill, could also be a predator. The way I look at it, predators should be eliminated swiftly and totally, while people acting like humans, while perhaps acting outside the bounds of accepted modern societal rules, ahould be treated as humans who need help adjusting to modern societal rules. Someone who kills a puppy scares me a whole lot. While I would give them as harsh a punishment, I would probably give them double or triple the counseling and treatment.
Also, back to my earlier point about humans having no natural predators except other humans, I still believe that to be ture. Again, you have to understand the concept of a natural predator. No animal, does now, or has in mans history since we left nomadic living and probably even before that, preyed upon man as a food source. As soon as man started packing together and weilding wooden spears, they instantly became the Most dominant hunting force alive. Other predators went for easier kills and probably only attacked man out of desparation, or defense of young or hunting territory. We have domesticated almost all the great predators on the planet, for example, tigers and lions working in a circus.
Basically, what i’m saying is that sure man has been attacked by wild animals, but we haven’t for a long time, been preyed upon. Man rountinely hunts and kills other man for thier resources, basically, they don’t kill them to eat them, but the kill them for thier food, water, land, etc…
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It’s a dog!
Who cares, worse things happen everyday!
I love animals, but they don’t deserve to be held above humans. Spend time helping starving children, not dogs.
I have a dog I love very much, its just pathetic the extra attention animals get.
Yea, cause someone on here said you should help a dog before you help a starving child. Have you even read the thread or did you just read the first 5 posts and then write a response? It has less to do with the actual dog itself, as it has to do with the man who threw it off a cliff. Why did he do it? what streses could have influenced him? Should he be punished? How severely? Look we are all just wasting time here anyways, it’s not like me posting on another thread will somehow help a starving child while posting on this thread will not. some of you seem to come on here, disagree make your points and then tell everyone else to stop making thier points because it’s a waste of time or whatever. The poster above told us to stop focusing on it yet he posted 2 times! Thats just bizzaro!
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Should he be punished? How severely? [/quote]
He should be made to face a pack of attack dogs. That oughta teach him a lesson.
Vegita, as in many of these discussion I think it turns out we’re just arguing semantics, as there’s not really anything there that I disagree with aside from that now that you’ve fleshed out your thoughts as much as you have.
[quote]will to power wrote:
Vegita, as in many of these discussion I think it turns out we’re just arguing semantics, as there’s not really anything there that I disagree with aside from that now that you’ve fleshed out your thoughts as much as you have.[/quote]
I would agree, with the small caveat that some people keep making new arguments full of misnomers. Like stop talking about this thread, go help a starving child. Making the correlation that by talking about a puppy being thrown off a cliff, no check that, by being upset over it, we are actively helping to keep children who are starving, well starving. You seem to be the only one who has been debating (arguing) over some of the more complex isues.
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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Some people are assholes. Don’t blame the Marine Corp.[/quote]
I have to agree with this.