Just some thinking that interested me, not a cycle proposal so no need to take it that seriously.
From reading around, especially Bill Roberts articles, I did a thought experiment
Protocol - take oral AAS upon waking, exercise in the morning, second dose after that but before noon. Do that for a week, then take 2 weeks with no AAS.
So, some possible conclusions
hypothalamus only moderately shut down if at all due to ‘riding the morning high’, pituitary slightly sensitized
no testicular atrophy, not enough time
therefore no PCT (shock!)
2 weeks off not so much for hormonal recovery but to rest the liver, ‘just in case’
Gains will be very modest due mainly to not being on 24 hours a day (esp. night time if that is actually more important), however gains should be somewhat noticeably greater over a long period (say 18 weeks of this) than the same period with no AAS
Anyway, just some thoughts, it sure is very conservative!
It’s all the interaction of the body’s own systems that i find interesting as well the particular effects of hormones. Interested in your thoughts / corrections.
Why not just do the 2-on/2-off approach? Is your goal to avoid PCT? If so, why? Just curious.
I’ve been doing the 2-on/2-off and I love it. I never really feel “shutdown”. I’ve experienced no testicular atrophy, and no drop in libido when running Tren Ace + Dianabol. Gains also tend to continue during weeks 3 and 4. For me, I’d say the biggest gains come around weeks 2 and 3.
[quote]jMill2 wrote:
Why not just do the 2-on/2-off approach? Is your goal to avoid PCT? If so, why? Just curious.
I’ve been doing the 2-on/2-off and I love it. I never really feel “shutdown”. I’ve experienced no testicular atrophy, and no drop in libido when running Tren Ace + Dianabol. Gains also tend to continue during weeks 3 and 4. For me, I’d say the biggest gains come around weeks 2 and 3.[/quote]
Agreed. I have had similar experience. I will be running HCG during as well.
I also get no Testicular atropy untill more than 2 weeks on cycle of injectables and 3+ on just orals.
I have done oral only cycles and will mention you will have less overall sides and more even mood with
multiple daily applications if for example dbol is used acording to halflife.
If anadrol is used 2x per day is ok for me.
Stanazol-dont bother. You will get zilch in one week.
I think you would be dissapointed though with one-week gains two off. Really it takes more than one week to get worthwhile strength benefit from oral AAS at 50mg/day or less.
Maybe you could experience some gains if 9 days on 12 days off… looking something like this:
Or do this with single morning larger dose oral for possibly less ‘chance’ of suppression over time. You can definetly still grow with single dose oral applications.
then off for 12 days.
7 days on i dont really think you will gain anything worthwile from the aas
OP, I think you are probably pretty close to a good idea here.
If I remember correctly, BR’s original 2 week protocol called for 10mg/day Dbol first thing in the morning during “off”, but I believe he may have revised this idea since.
I wound up abandoning the use of orals in the off weeks, in general, on account of blood tests for myself and a number of others showing almost immediate recovery of natural T when this was not done, but slower (though still relatively fast) when it was done.
At least with Dianabol. It might be different with oral Primobolan.
When short acting injectables are used in the “on” weeks and planning is done such that levels really do allow recovery to begin on day 15, ordinarily there is no real period of low androgen anyway, so there’s no particular need for the support.
My current interest really is in low dose Masteron. I have no blood tests to back it up though: I simply haven’t gotten around to it, though it would be desirable to have the results. But a mere 15 mg/day gives very nice support – surprisingly, or surprisingly to me anyway – and unlike the oral Dianabol, at least in my case actually results in keeping the added water-in-muscles weight, at least when in concert with the below protocol.
So my present personal protocol is to make the last HCG injection (if using it during the cycle) on day 10, not to resume it till about the 4th day of week 3, and to start the Masteron at that low dose the third day of week 3. I also use letrozole at my maintenance off-cycle dose (0.36 mg/day.) I stop using Clomid at the end of week 3 now.
Low dose morning-only Dianabol use can be introduced if desired toward the end of week 3.
Not that it can’t be before then: it’s just that my current thinking is that it is probably a little better to do it the above way.
[quote]gswork wrote:
Sure, or the 2 on 4 off, i was just interested in thoughts on the above, it wasn’t a cycle proposal as such.
Interesting experience you have though, how long have you been 2 on 2 off without shutdown and no pct?[/quote]
Oh, I use a SERM during my off weeks. And as Bill Roberts has confirmed, HPTA suppression does occur during the 14 days. But the suppression is so minor and the recovery is so quick that during the off weeks I never “feel” shut down.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
So my present personal protocol is to make the last HCG injection (if using it during the cycle) on day 10, not to resume it till about the 4th day of week 3, .[/quote]
I came up with it originally for longer periods of time: the goal was to maintain simply normal LH production while getting as much free T as possible as well as some assistance from the Masteron. I assumed I might not get equally high free T without the HCG as there could be some slight suppression from the Masteron. Actually the intent was (and still is, long term) to determine how high the Masteron can be pushed while maintaining midnormal LH.
At that point – maximum Masteron that still allows midnormal LH production – T production would be reduced somewhat relative to high LH production, or relative to midnormal + HCG.