Man Says He'll Kill Son's Murderer

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

Honestly, this story wasn’t that bad. The kid was stabbed once and died. The kid who did it polished his bones and then tried to strangle someone else 9 years later. The killer was clearly an emotional abnormality where there is no line between “I wonder” and “dead”. Which is different than the sadistic abnormalities.

Much worse happens in the streets of major cities all the time.
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Ok. Cool, babe. Stabbing an innocent 5 years old just to see how it feels like is not too bad. Rapping him, torturing him before killing him, would have been better. I hear ya.

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[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
Okay, so what I’m seeing here is a lot of understandable anger at the situation.

…and yet the majority of you are all talking about how much you’d torture and murder the guy? LOL. Hypocrisy is amazing.

It’s really not within ANY human’s rights to end the life of any other human, simply put. We are all put on this Earth with the same exact biological rights… ACCORDING to our sociologically-formed viewpoint.

Yes, when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other.

But if we’re going to try to pretend like we’re different than any other animal and form councils, societies, and communities then perhaps we should be operating by only one set of standards. So… we’re not supposed to kill people unless a person sitting behind a podium decides it’s to be? Isn’t that a little, erm, contradictory?

Two wrongs =/= One right

So I’ll leave with this, seeking this man’s death in any way makes you a pure hypocrite. Not to say what he did wasn’t detestable, but I find it funny that people can be so painfully oblivious to the verbal garbage they spew.

*Also, please spare me the parent thing. I’m not a parent, I get it though, you’d do anything for your kid. Cool. Still doesn’t mean you’re not a hypocrite.[/quote]

people who kill other people should be locked up until they’re dead, since they’re a danger to others.

i don’t know why you think all of us go around killing each other… that’s not normal
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…huh? I don’t think you read my post very well, because nothing you’re saying has anything to do with what I said. Not being a dick, just saying.

I just find it very interesting that all these folks who seem so vehemently enraged about this are the same ones talking about death to the murderer / killing the murderer. People need to operate from one set of standards, or else there is no fair justice.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Okay, so what I’m seeing here is a lot of understandable anger at the situation.

…and yet the majority of you are all talking about how much you’d torture and murder the guy? LOL. Hypocrisy is amazing.

It’s really not within ANY human’s rights to end the life of any other human, simply put. We are all put on this Earth with the same exact biological rights… ACCORDING to our sociologically-formed viewpoint.

Yes, when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other.

But if we’re going to try to pretend like we’re different than any other animal and form councils, societies, and communities then perhaps we should be operating by only one set of standards. So… we’re not supposed to kill people unless a person sitting behind a podium decides it’s to be? Isn’t that a little, erm, contradictory?

Two wrongs =/= One right

So I’ll leave with this, seeking this man’s death in any way makes you a pure hypocrite. Not to say what he did wasn’t detestable, but I find it funny that people can be so painfully oblivious to the verbal garbage they spew.

*Also, please spare me the parent thing. I’m not a parent, I get it though, you’d do anything for your kid. Cool. Still doesn’t mean you’re not a hypocrite.[/quote]

I’m cool with all of this, as long as he stays in jail for the rest of his life and YOU pay for it.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
Okay, so what I’m seeing here is a lot of understandable anger at the situation.

…and yet the majority of you are all talking about how much you’d torture and murder the guy? LOL. Hypocrisy is amazing.

It’s really not within ANY human’s rights to end the life of any other human, simply put. We are all put on this Earth with the same exact biological rights… ACCORDING to our sociologically-formed viewpoint.

Yes, when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other.

But if we’re going to try to pretend like we’re different than any other animal and form councils, societies, and communities then perhaps we should be operating by only one set of standards. So… we’re not supposed to kill people unless a person sitting behind a podium decides it’s to be? Isn’t that a little, erm, contradictory?

Two wrongs =/= One right

So I’ll leave with this, seeking this man’s death in any way makes you a pure hypocrite. Not to say what he did wasn’t detestable, but I find it funny that people can be so painfully oblivious to the verbal garbage they spew.

*Also, please spare me the parent thing. I’m not a parent, I get it though, you’d do anything for your kid. Cool. Still doesn’t mean you’re not a hypocrite.[/quote]

people who kill other people should be locked up until they’re dead, since they’re a danger to others.

i don’t know why you think all of us go around killing each other… that’s not normal
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…huh? I don’t think you read my post very well, because nothing you’re saying has anything to do with what I said. Not being a dick, just saying.

I just find it very interesting that all these folks who seem so vehemently enraged about this are the same ones talking about death to the murderer / killing the murderer. People need to operate from one set of standards, or else there is no fair justice.[/quote]

lol i read it well!

here’s you: “when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other”

so i figure, just lock them up til they’re dead

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I don’t get the hypocritical part either.

Killing the innocent isn’t the same as Killing the guilty.

You are only looking at the end sum and leaving out the rest of the story.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Two wrongs =/= One right[/quote]

So you see the death of a weak and helpless child, the same as the death of an animalistic and abusive predator?

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
Okay, so what I’m seeing here is a lot of understandable anger at the situation.

…and yet the majority of you are all talking about how much you’d torture and murder the guy? LOL. Hypocrisy is amazing.

It’s really not within ANY human’s rights to end the life of any other human, simply put. We are all put on this Earth with the same exact biological rights… ACCORDING to our sociologically-formed viewpoint.

Yes, when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other.

But if we’re going to try to pretend like we’re different than any other animal and form councils, societies, and communities then perhaps we should be operating by only one set of standards. So… we’re not supposed to kill people unless a person sitting behind a podium decides it’s to be? Isn’t that a little, erm, contradictory?

Two wrongs =/= One right

So I’ll leave with this, seeking this man’s death in any way makes you a pure hypocrite. Not to say what he did wasn’t detestable, but I find it funny that people can be so painfully oblivious to the verbal garbage they spew.

*Also, please spare me the parent thing. I’m not a parent, I get it though, you’d do anything for your kid. Cool. Still doesn’t mean you’re not a hypocrite.[/quote]

I’m cool with all of this, as long as he stays in jail for the rest of his life and YOU pay for it.[/quote]

WE would ALL be paying for someone getting the death penalty anyway, know what I mean?

If murder is wrong, murdering someone for murdering someone else is wrong. We can try to justify it all we want with juries, trials, etc, but the sad fact is the entire argument is completely flawed. That’s all I’m trying to say.

Now, as for the actual case? I don’t know. It’s not my kid. It’s not my town… it’s not really any of my goddamn business, I don’t know why shit like this is even in the media. Great, let’s call attention to a heinous act that happened 25 years ago (or whatever) and then we can get a bunch of idiots riled up by describing the maliciousness of the murder (or hinting at it.)

What a zany world we live in.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
I just find it very interesting that all these folks who seem so vehemently enraged about this are the same ones talking about death to the murderer / killing the murderer. People need to operate from one set of standards, or else there is no fair justice.[/quote]

Don’t confuse justice with fairness. Justice means giving each individual what he or she deserves. Fairness means treating everybody the same. The criteria for each has changed over time, and is different in each society. An eye for an eye is the bottom line.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
Okay, so what I’m seeing here is a lot of understandable anger at the situation.

…and yet the majority of you are all talking about how much you’d torture and murder the guy? LOL. Hypocrisy is amazing.

It’s really not within ANY human’s rights to end the life of any other human, simply put. We are all put on this Earth with the same exact biological rights… ACCORDING to our sociologically-formed viewpoint.

Yes, when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other.

But if we’re going to try to pretend like we’re different than any other animal and form councils, societies, and communities then perhaps we should be operating by only one set of standards. So… we’re not supposed to kill people unless a person sitting behind a podium decides it’s to be? Isn’t that a little, erm, contradictory?

Two wrongs =/= One right

So I’ll leave with this, seeking this man’s death in any way makes you a pure hypocrite. Not to say what he did wasn’t detestable, but I find it funny that people can be so painfully oblivious to the verbal garbage they spew.

*Also, please spare me the parent thing. I’m not a parent, I get it though, you’d do anything for your kid. Cool. Still doesn’t mean you’re not a hypocrite.[/quote]

I’m cool with all of this, as long as he stays in jail for the rest of his life and YOU pay for it.[/quote]

WE would ALL be paying for someone getting the death penalty anyway, know what I mean?

If murder is wrong, murdering someone for murdering someone else is wrong. We can try to justify it all we want with juries, trials, etc, but the sad fact is the entire argument is completely flawed. That’s all I’m trying to say.

Now, as for the actual case? I don’t know. It’s not my kid. It’s not my town… it’s not really any of my goddamn business, I don’t know why shit like this is even in the media. Great, let’s call attention to a heinous act that happened 25 years ago (or whatever) and then we can get a bunch of idiots riled up by describing the maliciousness of the murder (or hinting at it.)

What a zany world we live in.[/quote]

I agree, this world is crazy.

But I still cannot see how it is hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is bascially saying one thing yet doing another. So for this to be hypocrisy you would have to say “killing the Murderer” is wrong and then still kill him.

Saying the punishment for killing someone is death doesn’t equal hypocisy then…just my 2 cents.

I am sure this will be called a semantics issue to some.

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[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]ladieslove wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
Okay, so what I’m seeing here is a lot of understandable anger at the situation.

…and yet the majority of you are all talking about how much you’d torture and murder the guy? LOL. Hypocrisy is amazing.

It’s really not within ANY human’s rights to end the life of any other human, simply put. We are all put on this Earth with the same exact biological rights… ACCORDING to our sociologically-formed viewpoint.

Yes, when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other.

But if we’re going to try to pretend like we’re different than any other animal and form councils, societies, and communities then perhaps we should be operating by only one set of standards. So… we’re not supposed to kill people unless a person sitting behind a podium decides it’s to be? Isn’t that a little, erm, contradictory?

Two wrongs =/= One right

So I’ll leave with this, seeking this man’s death in any way makes you a pure hypocrite. Not to say what he did wasn’t detestable, but I find it funny that people can be so painfully oblivious to the verbal garbage they spew.

*Also, please spare me the parent thing. I’m not a parent, I get it though, you’d do anything for your kid. Cool. Still doesn’t mean you’re not a hypocrite.[/quote]

people who kill other people should be locked up until they’re dead, since they’re a danger to others.

i don’t know why you think all of us go around killing each other… that’s not normal
[/quote]

…huh? I don’t think you read my post very well, because nothing you’re saying has anything to do with what I said. Not being a dick, just saying.

I just find it very interesting that all these folks who seem so vehemently enraged about this are the same ones talking about death to the murderer / killing the murderer. People need to operate from one set of standards, or else there is no fair justice.[/quote]

lol i read it well!

here’s you: “when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other”

so i figure, just lock them up til they’re dead
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I see what you mean now. Again, I actually quite agree with you about locking 'em up for good. What I meant by the animal thing is that there’s basically two trains of thought to how he handle ourselves as a species. We can try to keep convincing ourselves that somehow our intellect has made us extraordinarily different than other species. If this is the case, then we should be living under the constant standard of avoiding malfeasance. This would include a judge or jury deciding that one person should die… no matter if it’s a crime or not. It’s a judgment about a person’s life made by another person.

Then there’s the other train of thought… We are animals. We fuck, kill, and feed our way through this life until we die. If this is the case, then yeah, vigilante justice is surely justifiable. But I don’t see this as being true. So clearly… vigilante justice isn’t really justifiable in this case.

Also, two more things just came to mind.

You guys were never kids that made a stupid mistake? Now, lol, before someone jumps on this point with RABBLERABBLERABBLE obviously killing another person is far different than most dilemmas that kids experience, but that’s just my point. I know if I did something stupid as a kid that I wasn’t supposed I’d be TERRIFIED of fessing up to it and would do everything within my power to hide it. What makes you think a loner kid who murdered another kid wouldn’t do the same? It’s definitely something I can understand, although not necessarily think is correct.

Also, let’s pretend the dad goes out there and just fucks this guys’ world up. Torture and death like all you guys are saying. I start to wonder… who is the one that you should actually be scared of… the one who premeditates how they’re going to off someone for a crime committed decades ago or a guy who’s had to live with 30 years of shame and guilt for an incredibly thoughtless and stupid transgression?

Again, please don’t think I’m siding with the (actual) murderer, but I think 90% of the responses in this thread have been pretty ridiculous and make everyone making those statement appear to be very simple-minded… IMO.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Okay, so what I’m seeing here is a lot of understandable anger at the situation.

…and yet the majority of you are all talking about how much you’d torture and murder the guy? LOL. Hypocrisy is amazing.

It’s really not within ANY human’s rights to end the life of any other human, simply put. We are all put on this Earth with the same exact biological rights… ACCORDING to our sociologically-formed viewpoint.

Yes, when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other.

But if we’re going to try to pretend like we’re different than any other animal and form councils, societies, and communities then perhaps we should be operating by only one set of standards. So… we’re not supposed to kill people unless a person sitting behind a podium decides it’s to be? Isn’t that a little, erm, contradictory?

Two wrongs =/= One right

So I’ll leave with this, seeking this man’s death in any way makes you a pure hypocrite. Not to say what he did wasn’t detestable, but I find it funny that people can be so painfully oblivious to the verbal garbage they spew.

*Also, please spare me the parent thing. I’m not a parent, I get it though, you’d do anything for your kid. Cool. Still doesn’t mean you’re not a hypocrite.[/quote]

SMFH…not even worth deconstructing this “argument”. I’ll just simply step into his constructed paradigm and say…

<---------------------FUCKING HYPOCRITE

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
Okay, so what I’m seeing here is a lot of understandable anger at the situation.

…and yet the majority of you are all talking about how much you’d torture and murder the guy? LOL. Hypocrisy is amazing.

It’s really not within ANY human’s rights to end the life of any other human, simply put. We are all put on this Earth with the same exact biological rights… ACCORDING to our sociologically-formed viewpoint.

Yes, when we ultimately boil what we are down to its coarsest form we are all stupid animals, going around and killing each other.

But if we’re going to try to pretend like we’re different than any other animal and form councils, societies, and communities then perhaps we should be operating by only one set of standards. So… we’re not supposed to kill people unless a person sitting behind a podium decides it’s to be? Isn’t that a little, erm, contradictory?

Two wrongs =/= One right

So I’ll leave with this, seeking this man’s death in any way makes you a pure hypocrite. Not to say what he did wasn’t detestable, but I find it funny that people can be so painfully oblivious to the verbal garbage they spew.

*Also, please spare me the parent thing. I’m not a parent, I get it though, you’d do anything for your kid. Cool. Still doesn’t mean you’re not a hypocrite.[/quote]

I’m cool with all of this, as long as he stays in jail for the rest of his life and YOU pay for it.[/quote]

WE would ALL be paying for someone getting the death penalty anyway, know what I mean?

If murder is wrong, murdering someone for murdering someone else is wrong. We can try to justify it all we want with juries, trials, etc, but the sad fact is the entire argument is completely flawed. That’s all I’m trying to say.

Now, as for the actual case? I don’t know. It’s not my kid. It’s not my town… it’s not really any of my goddamn business, I don’t know why shit like this is even in the media. Great, let’s call attention to a heinous act that happened 25 years ago (or whatever) and then we can get a bunch of idiots riled up by describing the maliciousness of the murder (or hinting at it.)

What a zany world we live in.[/quote]

If imprisoning someone is wrong, then imprisoning someone for breaking the law is wrong. See how that (doesn’t) works?

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Again, please don’t think I’m siding with the (actual) murderer, but I think 90% of the responses in this thread have been pretty ridiculous and make everyone making those statement appear to be very simple-minded… IMO.[/quote]

Looks like you made a judgement there, your honor.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
I agree, this world is crazy.

But I still cannot see how it is hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is bascially saying one thing yet doing another. So for this to be hypocrisy you would have to say “killing the Murderer” is wrong and then still kill him.

Saying the punishment for killing someone is death doesn’t equal hypocisy then…just my 2 cents.

I am sure this will be called a semantics issue to some.[/quote]

I definitely get what you’re saying, and it really may be semantics at this point, really. I think I’m looking at this from a broad, philosophical perspective rather than this particular instance as an excluded circumstance. I guess my real take-home point is that I, through experiences and everything I’ve been taught this far in my life, can’t justify anyone making a judgment about another persons’ right to live, no matter the circumstance.

What is interesting is that there really is no right and wrong in the issue.

For the record, thanks to everyone who responded. I’m glad this could actually be a real debate/conversation, instead of a dick-waving competition.

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
Again, please don’t think I’m siding with the (actual) murderer, but I think 90% of the responses in this thread have been pretty ridiculous and make everyone making those statement appear to be very simple-minded… IMO.[/quote]

Looks like you made a judgement there, your honor.[/quote]

Lol! Touche.

To be fair, I’m not sure if I ever said making judgments was wrong, so much as judgments about the right to a person’s life. :stuck_out_tongue:

A person’s life is just that, theirs. Theirs ALONE. It is the one thing we’re given and have in this world.

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The killer in the OP was a sick puppy who doesn’t have the emotional capabilities to repent and should be put down. End of story. It’s not a shocker and happens more often than you think.

For the fuckers who say I’m trivializing the matter, let me give you a picture of what happens in MY backyard:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004059973_abuse08m.html

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While the above story is a small taste of what goes on in child abuse on a regular basis, let’s get back on topic to serial killers:

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

…Honestly, this story wasn’t that bad. The kid was stabbed once and died…
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Yeah, I see what you mean.

No big deal here.

/thread[/quote]

It’s better than getting sexually and physically abused for a while and then eventually dying of injuries. Or even starved and beaten on a regular basis. One stab wound that instantly kills is also better than 5+ that take a while.

I think what shocks people is the inhumanity of the guy who did it; his emotion processing is so off. Not saying he shouldn’t go; just saying this story shouldn’t be a shocker.[/quote]

You really do come off as stupid with that reasoning considering you only have the murderers account of the actual death.

No one knows if he kept that kid in a basement and tortured him and molested him over time until his death.

They only found the bones, not the body and only the sick fuck that killed the baby to tell the tale.

Can you just get off your “I’m so cool and jaded high-horse?”

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

…Honestly, this story wasn’t that bad. The kid was stabbed once and died…
[/quote]

Yeah, I see what you mean.

No big deal here.

/thread[/quote]

It’s better than getting sexually and physically abused for a while and then eventually dying of injuries. Or even starved and beaten on a regular basis. One stab wound that instantly kills is also better than 5+ that take a while.

I think what shocks people is the inhumanity of the guy who did it; his emotion processing is so off. Not saying he shouldn’t go; just saying this story shouldn’t be a shocker.[/quote]

You really do come off as stupid with that reasoning considering you only have the murderers account of the actual death.

No one knows if he kept that kid in a basement and tortured him and molested him over time until his death.

They only found the bones, not the body and only the sick fuck that killed the baby to tell the tale.

Can you just get off your “I’m so cool and jaded high-horse?”
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First off, I think the journal would have given away the true details of the killing, as it didn’t seem to hold back on any of the other details. Secondly, the fact that when he went for a second kill, he tried to make it fast also points to his interest in inducing death, not hours of torture.

Where the fuck do you think I’m saying I’m cool and jaded? There’s nothing cool about being aware of this stuff. I am shocked at the amount of outrage over this, considering that other stories seem to pop up all the time, but no one throws them on this board and gives it a rage fest. What makes this story special?

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

…Honestly, this story wasn’t that bad. The kid was stabbed once and died…
[/quote]

Yeah, I see what you mean.

No big deal here.

/thread[/quote]

It’s better than getting sexually and physically abused for a while and then eventually dying of injuries. Or even starved and beaten on a regular basis. One stab wound that instantly kills is also better than 5+ that take a while.

I think what shocks people is the inhumanity of the guy who did it; his emotion processing is so off. Not saying he shouldn’t go; just saying this story shouldn’t be a shocker.[/quote]

You really do come off as stupid with that reasoning considering you only have the murderers account of the actual death.

No one knows if he kept that kid in a basement and tortured him and molested him over time until his death.

They only found the bones, not the body and only the sick fuck that killed the baby to tell the tale.

Can you just get off your “I’m so cool and jaded high-horse?”
[/quote]

First off, I think the journal would have given away the true details of the killing, as it didn’t seem to hold back on any of the other details. Secondly, the fact that when he went for a second kill, he tried to make it fast also points to his interest in inducing death, not hours of torture.

Where the fuck do you think I’m saying I’m cool and jaded? There’s nothing cool about being aware of this stuff. I am shocked at the amount of outrage over this, considering that other stories seem to pop up all the time, but no one throws them on this board and gives it a rage fest. What makes this story special?[/quote]

His journal, of course, we should just take a sick fuck’s word for things especially if he writes it down. You don’t really understand and you don’t want to understand that the guy is a sick fuck and you can’t trust what he says and writes.

You are absolutely wrong that him attempting to strangle is proof that he was only going for death. Strangulation is such an indicator of a sexual component.

I am outraged. Just because other bad things do happen does not lessen the heinous aspects of this crime.

You really can’t take info in and process it without relaying how your amazing gritty life has given you a keen perspective and everyone else just overreacts.

You just come across as a kid that we all were, that already knows everything.