Man Boob Advice

Pharma
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 This is a rather embarassing problem but I'm hoping some of you will have some advice.  I started taking prohormones such as "mass tabs" roughly six months ago.  After finishing a cycle (with amazing results I must admit) I, not knowing any better, did not post cycle and my estrogen shot through the roof and I developed fatty tissue around my chest and under my arms.

In a panic I bought some “6 oxo” and another prohormone, in hopes of leveling out my test levels and then post cycling properly. Despite massive amounts of 6 oxo and other pro hormones, the “bitch tits” would come back after every cycle (with a post cycle or not).

Most recently, I took Sustonol 250 (again hoping to raise test, lower estrogen and harden back up) and again once done I was having the same problem even after slowly decreasing dose while increasing post cycles.

Does anyone have any advice how to stop this trend? I can not seem to make it go away for extended periods of time. Please, if anyone knows how to combat high estrogen levels (which come and go frequently) PLEASE HELP!!

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#1 yes… stop taking that proharmone garbage and take the real shit…

#2 get the proper size bra depending on your current breast size cuz they are now yours for life unless you cut them out…

ps: pls post pics so the brothas in the joint have something to rub one out to…

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I would also say stop the pro hormones. Also, why continue to use before facing the problem at hand? There’s a number of drugs and pct protocols you can follow, look through this forum or google it and you will find all the info you need, also some letro will help with gyno in the future, but you may be out of luck for the most part with the already acquired gyno. Some guys have success with the letro minimizing old gyno, so you never know.

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[quote]gunsxl wrote:
#1 yes… stop taking that proharmone garbage and take the real shit…

#2 get the proper size bra depending on your current breast size cuz they are now yours for life unless you cut them out…

ps: pls post pics so the brothas in the joint have something to rub one out to…[/quote]

LOL…goddamit thats funny. However, the irresponsibility of your actions has now bit you in the ass. If you have the little boobies and there is hard tissue there, it really is too late. Had you caught it in time, you could have tried Nolvadex and Letro. You may try these now, but it sounds like it is too late.

Craig

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The problem is too much estrogen. Reduce estrogen with an AI. Anastrozole seems to be the best.

You are sensitive to E and should take anastrozole all through a cycle and PCT if the gear is aromatase vulnerable. Even if you take a SERM during PCT, keep on with the AI. And if not on AI during PCT, E actually increases while its action is blocked or limited (in some tissues). Stopping SERMs abruptly can expose your body to the high estrogen levels that are there.

Example of “in some tissues”: clomid makes some guys emotional, that is E acting on parts of the brain which Selected Estrogen Receptor Modifiers do not protect. That is in addition to the direct estrogenic effects of SERMs on some tissues.

Letting E climb during a cycle increases SHBG and that reduces the amount of FT that you will have… and the whole point is FT.

E also interferes with T at the anobolic/androgenic receptors and opposes the effects of T in other ways, thus limiting your gains. Less FT and blocked action of what FT remains.

E can also lead to bloat, gyno, lower libido and emotional changes. It needs to be controlled.

Some guys will produce more E and some are more sensitive to it. You can’t make any assumptions about how you will react.

The attitude of toughing it out and taking action when things like bloat or gyno show up is really not a brilliant thing to do.

When on aromatizing steroids, if you do not control E, it is probably controlling your gains, fat/shape, libido and mind. If you control E, your results will be optimal.

Elevated E can mess with your prostate and is the main driver of benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH). That used to be blamed on T & DHT and you will always find lingering references to that in texts, papers and the web. But that is now known to be false. Some guys, not all old, report prostate issues; but that is quite rare.

Others here might phrase the above with ample reference to for making the same mistake again, or as I say “once wiser… twice stupid”.

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Nolvadex worked wonders on my Gyno. I’ve had it since 15 or 16, and I thought it was too late to see a reduction. I ran 60mgs (I think, can’t remember exactly) for 2 weeks, and 1 week at 30mgs. Didn’t get rid of all of it, but it did a great job on it.

Stay off the damned prohormones. They’re complete trash. If you’re trying to raise T levels, I’d suggest taking TRIBEX and some other natural test boosers. Prohormones/Steroids will only shut you down longer.

Be warned on the Nolvadex though, there are side-effects. You’re going to be a LOT more emotional (at least I was). My best advice is stay away from chick flicks while you’re on the stuff.

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However once the breast tissue is developed only surgery can eliminate it. If you have puffy nipples…same!

You live and learn…

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gutted!

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run a letro protocol to combat and/or reduce your gyno.

taper off the letro once things are under control.

the key is keeping you E levels in the normal range. while on cycle it can climb well above, and thus use of an AI is adviseable when on aromitizing AAS to keep things near the normal range. While treating your gyno with letro, your E will dive well below normal, thus requiring a taper once the symptoms are under control in an attempt to avoid a rebound effect.

once your gyno has developed, it will always be there, and even if you are successful in treating it and reducing its size, it can come back. you can most likely reduce it down to a state that is not very noticeable, and regulate any flare ups by keeping E in its normal range while on subsequent cycles.

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[quote]juice20jd wrote:
run a letro protocol to combat and/or reduce your gyno.

taper off the letro once things are under control.

the key is keeping you E levels in the normal range. while on cycle it can climb well above, and thus use of an AI is adviseable when on aromitizing AAS to keep things near the normal range. While treating your gyno with letro, your E will dive well below normal, thus requiring a taper once the symptoms are under control in an attempt to avoid a rebound effect.

once your gyno has developed, it will always be there, and even if you are successful in treating it and reducing its size, it can come back. you can most likely reduce it down to a state that is not very noticeable, and regulate any flare ups by keeping E in its normal range while on subsequent cycles.[/quote]

nice advise…and a nice box as well!!!

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You should all be soaking up what KSman said.

It’s gold.

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[quote]sawadeekrob wrote:
However once the breast tissue is developed only surgery can eliminate it. If you have puffy nipples…same!

You live and learn…[/quote]

If by breast tissue, you also include the lumps formed underneath the nipple (gyno), that’s not true. If can be reduced and eventually eliminated without surgery.