[quote]limitatinfinity wrote:
Grneyes wrote:
limitatinfinity wrote:
orion wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
if she calls the cops, and signs the complaint, the police have to arrest him…right?
I think they have their hands tied behind their back in that scenario.
I am just imagining going to an Austrian cop and complaining that I saw a naked man in his own home while trespassing on his property.
That might leads to some interesting reactions, to say the least.
The woman broke no law by being on his property without a warning.
However, the police could not have entered the man’s home without his consent. The observation by a second party of a crime being committed inside the home of a third party does not constitute reasonable suspicion because the third party has an expectation of privacy inside his home.
It’s similar to that man being arrested for disturbing the peace on his own property after the police had gained entry into his house based on a phone conversation.
Since when is being naked in your own home a crime? Since when is getting coffee at 5:30am a crime? I cannot believe you are actually defending this woman. You need to be sterilized so you don’t pass on your stupidity to the next generation.
Calm down. I’m not defending the woman I’m just saying that there isn’t any criminal law in Virginia that makes what she did illegal.
I’m just reading from the statute that includes the words “in any place where others are present”. Obviously there would have to be a breach of privacy by the police officer in order to arrest someone in their home on the grounds of indecent exposure.
Virginia law still includes “Fornication” as a criminal offense and obviously this indecent exposure law is equally as ridiculous.
Here’s the link to the statute. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-387
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So, looking into someone’s window isn’t a crime? He was alone in his house, no one else was present. A woman looking in his window is not “in the presence of others.” He should seriously press charges. Or hopefully the judge will throw out the case.
WHAT THE FUCK?! This is fucking America, not fucking nazi Germany. What right do the police have walking around like the mother fucking Gestapo, arresting people for being naked in their own home? This is so outrageous I hardly know what to say. If that had happened to me, I would have told the police to fuck off, and if they decided to pursue me into the house, I would have killed them or died trying. On the outside this seems like a funny story but if the court is crazy enough to prosecute this man something is terribly terribly wrong. This man’s American liberties have been grossly neglected.
So does this mean if I am out at a mall and a women takes out her boob to feed her baby that I can call the cops and have her arrested and put on a list?
“A Fairfax County Police spokesman said Williamson was arrested because investigators believe he wanted to be seen by the public.”
If it had been 3:00 in the afternoon and he had been washing his windows naked, … then I would think he was trying to be seen by the public, but this was 5:30am. Who would have been his target audience at that time?
he must have pissed off the cops and they are using this to teach him a lesson.
The woman broke no law by being on his property without a warning.
However, the police could not have entered the man’s home without his consent. The observation by a second party of a crime being committed inside the home of a third party does not constitute reasonable suspicion because the third party has an expectation of privacy inside his home.
It’s similar to that man being arrested for disturbing the peace on his own property after the police had gained entry into his house based on a phone conversation.
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if the cop walked by and saw the crime then that gives him reasonable right to make an arrest. much the same as when your having a party and you open the door with a dutch in your hand to welcome a cop. in your house or not if the “crime” in question is witnessed by the cop he will make the arrest. that said even if the cop had not witnessed the crime i doubt the man would have known to assert his rights when the police asked to enter his house.
“im sorry sir, but i do not consent to any searches.” a phrase that would keep LOTS of men and women out of prison. its no wonder they dont teach it in the schools…
[quote]Slayers wrote:
So does this mean if I am out at a mall and a women takes out her boob to feed her baby that I can call the cops and have her arrested and put on a list?[/quote]
Many states including Virginia have written in breast feeding as an exception to their indecent exposure statutes. I suppose it depends what state you’re in.
The woman broke no law by being on his property without a warning.
However, the police could not have entered the man’s home without his consent. The observation by a second party of a crime being committed inside the home of a third party does not constitute reasonable suspicion because the third party has an expectation of privacy inside his home.
It’s similar to that man being arrested for disturbing the peace on his own property after the police had gained entry into his house based on a phone conversation.
I have no disagreement with you here. I was just clarifying what is currently legal precedent for reasonable suspicion of a rime being committed. A crime reported over the phone by a second party and a crime reported by a second party where the accused has an expectation of privacy(i.e. his own home) cannot be used to qualify reasonable suspicion. If the police officer makes the discovery first hand, then reasonable suspicion is in effect as you correctly pointed out.
if the cop walked by and saw the crime then that gives him reasonable right to make an arrest. much the same as when your having a party and you open the door with a dutch in your hand to welcome a cop. in your house or not if the “crime” in question is witnessed by the cop he will make the arrest. that said even if the cop had not witnessed the crime i doubt the man would have known to assert his rights when the police asked to enter his house.
“im sorry sir, but i do not consent to any searches.” a phrase that would keep LOTS of men and women out of prison. its no wonder they dont teach it in the schools…[/quote]
I have no disagreement with you here. I was just clarifying what is currently legal precedent for reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed. A crime reported over the phone by a second party and a crime reported by a second party where the accused has an expectation of privacy(i.e. his own home) cannot be used to qualify reasonable suspicion. If the police officer makes the discovery first hand, then reasonable suspicion is in effect as you correctly pointed out.
However, certain crimes like disturbing the peace cannot be enforced within your own home.
I caught this on the news last night and figured someone would have posted about it by now, but it appears not to be the case so I am posting it now.
This story is pretty outrageous, if you ask me. The man in question went downstairs, au naturel, at 5:30 in the morning, to make coffee. Some woman, CUTTING THROUGH HIS YARD with her 7 year old son in tow, saw him through a window. She called the police, who arrested him for indecent exposure because they thought “he wanted to be seen.” The man faces up to a $2000 fine and a year in jail
There is sooo much wrong with this scenario! Either there is a lot more to the story than appears in the video, or the police are simply insane. As is the woman reporting in the first place.
Seems to me, she should be charged with trespassing and voyeurism. Yes, perhaps the guy should have drawn the blinds or put on shorts, but hey, who thinks that clearly at 5:30 in the morning, particularly before the first cup of coffee? Certainly not I…
I might be a bit biased, since I am guilty of this more often than not. I hate wearing clothes when I don’t have to. I used to live in the middle of nowhere with no close neighbors and got pretty cavalier about it. I would have a life sentence by now, if they arrested for that around here. With added time for subjecting the neighbors to the extra flab around the middle…
Is it just me? Am I just not the typical woman when it comes to finding his arrest much more offensive than the thought of him naked IN HIS VERY OWN KITCHEN IN HIS VERY OWN HOUSE??? [/quote]
Until we have televisions that work both ways, and have one installed in every room, then its up to each of us to watch each other closely and report any aberrant behavior.
The windows were fogged up and he drew a smiley face with his large finger. That is what got the lady all hot and bothered. The kid thought it was a cool trick.
JK - I really cant believe a person would call the cops about someone in their own home. If I was the guy I would call the cops weekly to go check out her nakedness.
Like Iron Dwarf mentioned, he should have turned on the sprinklers and garden hose and sprayed that perverted bitch, all the while being naked. This is bullshit, he should find out where she lives and leave a steaming dragon on her doorstep.