Male Gender Problems in My Multicultural Class

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Brother Chris, I somehow picture you as living on a spinoff Branch-Davidian weirdo compound.

OP:

You can argue media culpability all you want, but a HUGE reason why modern man is “feminized” is because of typical single mother upbringing that these men have. No woman can expect to teach a man how to act like a man. Just as no father can expect to teach her daughter how to act like a woman.

You want to change things? Start preaching to dudes to wrap their shit up and not just fuck any random girl without a wrapper.[/quote]

Well, I really like Saturdays off, but I am not a fan of going to church the whole time. And I do not believe that I know when the second coming is going to happen (my guess 8000 years from now). I do not know much about Branch Davidian, so what do you mean?

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I think everyone is missing the big picture, we should really worry about environmental issues. It’s frightening, the current generation is estimated to have half the sperm count of their fathers, estrogen in water, chemicals and plastics effecting sperm count. History has had feminine men for a while, shit Alexander slept with little boys, there were Native Americans who were feminine. The thing that kept these societies going was they didn’t have to worry about environmental shit that we do. Kids don’t even have a chance anymore they’re exposed to all kinds of femal hormones in the womb. Let’s stop worrying about skinny jeans and emo’s (even though they both creep me out)and focus on the big stuff.

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
As far as I’m concerned, we are all screwed if things continue the way that they are going. High school dropouts and kids in special education courses are disproportionately male and women are beginning to outnumber men in colleges. What good is it to have a highly educated female population when the boys are now falling behind?[/quote]

This. The question is if we, as a society, will identify this as a problem and put resources to solving it.

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I fucking hate my “Cultural Geography” class. A feminist woman teaches it and it’s nothing but a bunch of bullshit. A female says something and the professor is like “yes, good point”. When I say something I am directly argued against. One example of the bullshit is she would go on about how it’s wrong to call mother nature mother nature because it implies that women are to be dominated by men, claimed, that they are unstable, that all women are nurturers, and in general is harmful to the success of women in society. LOL!!!

Once, the professor asked those who thought sexism against women was still present in society to raise their hand. One girl commented that it was not right how women today are still paid less than men. When I say something, I am automatically criticized by the professor in a disrespectful manner with a tone implying that my opinion is wrong/stupid. I have since decided to keep my mouth shut unless I have a comment on the discussion that I feel very strongly about.

I can’t wait get the fuck out and graduate so I can make my dad happy for spending so much money on my “education” and then I can move on to something I enjoy like skilled manual labor. Yeah, I am a college educated male who would rather work in a skilled manual labor job than push pencils, surprise! I like to lift weights, I like to work on my car and my friend’s cars. I like to build furniture by hand using tools and equipment, and I like to operate machinery. I enjoy doing things that are challenging to my physical ability, my skill/knowledge of mechanics, and ability to use logic, knowledge, and experience. I would like to see a woman torque down bolts or break loose seized parts haha I mean they can do anything a man can do right? Today these kinds of jobs are looked down on because they are thought to be no brainer jobs that any monkey could do. Ask any mechanic if his job isn’t mentally challenging. This is a totally different discussion, sorry for ranting and going off on a tangent.

As for that article posted earlier in this thread, I too am angry at women. It seems like I have to take what I can get for the most part. I have been rejected so many times it’s embarrassing. I see fat/ugly women being picky and choosy with who they want to date/fuck and I see many feminine men with good looking women. The only thing that keeps me from going crazy is the thought that one day when I’m in my late 20s and early 30s I will be able to do the choosing.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
How is it delusional if I do it? I am not following, explain this further to me.

This information might help you, I do not work for anyone. I work for myself and my clients. My income can dramatically increase throughout a year, unlike someone who works for a company and has to climb the corporate ladder.
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I checked your profile before I posted and you had student listed, so that was part of my reasoning in my first post. Although it still depends on your set of women.

If you just mean average women than yea, if you work for yourself successfully, then you can probably make more than the average woman and you probably make more than the average man as well, making it seem rather irrelevant to declare male supremacy.

If you include high paid females, then you would have to climb over MD type salaries at which point it’s like, why rant about clean shit when you can just get a house keeper? It also seems a bit dumb to want to be the main breadwinner at this point just for ego’s sake.

If you’re including any woman out there in your set, then even if we exclude those that inherited their jobs, you’d be competing against high paid actresses and CEO’s that make millions.

At that point it seems a bit delusional to get there in a year. I was also including MD type salaries in my other post as being a bit delusional, although it’s possible now I suppose, if you do successfully work for yourself.

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[quote]elano wrote:
… When I say something, I am automatically criticized by the professor in a disrespectful manner with a tone implying that my opinion is wrong/stupid. I have since decided to keep my mouth shut unless I have a comment on the discussion that I feel very strongly about.
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NO! You SIR grab your balls and keep talking!!!
Talk at least once in every class, but don’t talk more than 4. (otherwise it gets annoying) Just make sure than you talk you don’t cut yourself short.

Now… to avoid any trouble with you grade, or any bad blood with your teacher. Make sure you see her at the end of class, or see her during officer hour. Just be friendly and tell her you “enjoy” the class discussions. Then top it off with some small talk.

I have been lucky so far that I was able to steer clear of B.S classes for the most part, and never had a feminist teacher, hippy teachers yes. I was, however, a TA for a “Gender & Communications” class. I did call the teacher out on bullshit, in private, and always in a friendly manner.

[quote]elano wrote:
As for that article posted earlier in this thread, I too am angry at women. It seems like I have to take what I can get for the most part. I have been rejected so many times it’s embarrassing. I see fat/ugly women being picky and choosy with who they want to date/fuck and I see many feminine men with good looking women. The only thing that keeps me from going crazy is the thought that one day when I’m in my late 20s and early 30s I will be able to do the choosing.[/quote]

Dude what you need is Game.

Yes fat/ugly women get picky becuase they actually get hit on
more often than 10s. Especially in college.

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[quote]elano wrote:
I can’t wait get the fuck out and graduate so I can make my dad happy for spending so much money on my “education” and then I can move on to something I enjoy like skilled manual labor. Yeah, I am a college educated male who would rather work in a skilled manual labor job than push pencils, surprise!

I like to lift weights, I like to work on my car and my friend’s cars. I like to build furniture by hand using tools and equipment, and I like to operate machinery. I enjoy doing things that are challenging to my physical ability, my skill/knowledge of mechanics, and ability to use logic, knowledge, and experience. [/quote]

You’re my brother from another mother.

College sucked for me too. I went through the same shit you did. Don’t look at it as a waste, look at it as experience. You learned stuff, even if it wasn’t the shit they were trying to teach you.

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[quote]Neospartan wrote:
elano wrote:
… When I say something, I am automatically criticized by the professor in a disrespectful manner with a tone implying that my opinion is wrong/stupid. I have since decided to keep my mouth shut unless I have a comment on the discussion that I feel very strongly about.
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NO! You SIR grab your balls and keep talking!!!
Talk at least once in every class, but don’t talk more than 4. (otherwise it gets annoying) Just make sure than you talk you don’t cut yourself short.

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Meh, he will get no where. The only thing he might accomplish is not getting his diploma. The best thing he can do is tune out, do his time and get that worthless, yet obligatory piece of paper.

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[quote]MementoMori wrote:
University is another huge issue in this debate. High school’s have been feminized, girls get higher scores more girls get into university has been a common argument. But the feminization of high school is NOTHING compared to that of the Liberal Arts.

Every philosophy, communication, criminology etc etc class HAS to talk about feminism and criticalism, no excuses. Consider a class called Advertising and Society.

I look at this class and think excellent learn how to advertise, that’s a huge field of work, tons of money and tons of potential, I’m down. In reality this class is ALL about how advertising adversly affects the plight of women by sexualizing and infanticizing them in ads(bitches make more than I do, sign me up to be infanticized!)

Media studies, advertising, public relations and on and on and on. None of these classes teach HOW to do ANYTHING! All they do is talk about the detrimental affects they have on society. University is literally a socialist, pinko bitch fest.

You get a degree to learn how to become a part of society. And who teaches you? People who have divorced themselves from reality to stand in judgement of it with 8 years of “education” that leaves them with nothing but disdain for capitalism, ambition, drive, agression and adaptability. And its not just women professors teaching this view point but women as well.

In short a bachelor degree is quickly becoming the equivalent of a high school degree. More and more people are going, so it doesn’t really get you anything… it just keeps you equal. And the mind numbing crap you learn while your there leaves you with talent for nothing but analyzing why some rich skinny bitch is worse off than your underemployed, over debted sorry ass.

/rant[/quote]

Truth! I’m forced to read this crap about 19th century feminism in 12th grade AP English. I hate analyzing why rich 19th century old ladies are worse off than me who is not much above the poverty line. The teacher is a crazy old feminist.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Let me explain something here, “social norms” or the “status quo” has fucked up this world. Woman may be equal in arbitrary ways/laws/regulations/etc., they are however not true equals.

Sure you can have a strong woman, I like…actually I love a strong woman. I personally hate a fucking drag along, do nothing, lazy Susan. I’ll tell you what, ain’t no woman that I am with is going to make more money than me. You know why, if I’m making X dollars and I am with a woman, and she makes Y dollars, in a year or less I’ll be making Y+ dollars.

But, now a days men do not care if their wife is the breadwinner, fuck that, I am the breadwinner no motherfucking questions asked. Not to be sexist, but when I am with a girl I expect shit to be done by her, I really do not give a fuck if she does work. I expect shit to be clean, and I expect food to be on the table. Working maybe a right, but it’s optional when it comes to me.

The other shit however is not, I need someone feminine. I do not need my girlfriend to watch football with me and my buddies. I do not need my girlfriend to be my business partner, hell I do not even talk about work to my girlfriends, ain’t none of their business.

And another example if we went to living in the wild, guess what woman would once again have to do, they would have to depend on men. Sure argue all you want, say, “live in reality.” I do live in reality, my reality, and I fucking enjoy it.

And if you really do believe that women are actually our equals (that does not mean we do not treat them kindly) then explain to me why the only two women, in the top ten richest people in the world, are heirs of some country ass mother fucker from Arkansas named Sam Walton (which I deeply respect).

You need to be my e-friend.
REQUEST SENT!
Great post.[/quote]

Yeah, I’m sure his Match.com profile gets insane views every week. What a great catch!

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

Also, the topic of boys in school has come up several times in various classes, and unlike some of the other teachers on here have said, my courses have actually discussed the harm that we are doing to our boys and ways to tackle the problem.

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I’d love to hear some examples if you can recall any.

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[quote]
Truth! I’m forced to read this crap about 19th century feminism in 12th grade AP English. I hate analyzing why rich 19th century old ladies are worse off than me who is not much above the poverty line. The teacher is a crazy old feminist.[/quote]

Made an account just to agree with me. Ballin

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Neospartan wrote:
elano wrote:
… When I say something, I am automatically criticized by the professor in a disrespectful manner with a tone implying that my opinion is wrong/stupid. I have since decided to keep my mouth shut unless I have a comment on the discussion that I feel very strongly about.
…

NO! You SIR grab your balls and keep talking!!!
Talk at least once in every class, but don’t talk more than 4. (otherwise it gets annoying) Just make sure than you talk you don’t cut yourself short.

Meh, he will get no where. The only thing he might accomplish is not getting his diploma. The best thing he can do is tune out, do his time and get that worthless, yet obligatory piece of paper.[/quote]

It depends how and when he says it. If he says “That’s not true because blah, blah, blah” sure he will get an F. The same thing will happen if while she is going through her lecture he raises his hand and argues against a point she just made. For one he has to speak when she is looking to get comments/opinions from students.

It also depends on the teacher’s temperament how to go about it. One thing is for sure, once he speaks he needs to friendly-talk the teacher after class or during officer hours. That way the teacher assured that he is not being confrontational.

The idea here is NOT to change the teacher’s mind. The idea is to maintain a friendly/non-confrontational relation with the teacher so he can speak freely in class.

Now there are people who are just impossible, but those are the exception.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

You’re my brother from another mother.

College sucked for me too. I went through the same shit you did. Don’t look at it as a waste, look at it as experience. You learned stuff, even if it wasn’t the shit they were trying to teach you. [/quote]

Haha that’s a good way to look at it!

Also as for approaching the teacher after class, I already did this once, after class, I smiled and said “I hope I didn’t offend you with my opinions” and she replied “Oh, no I enjoy the discussion”. I have also said hey to her in the hallways though she gives me a smug little fake smile back. She is VERY attractive, definitely still in her 20s. She’s the ultra liberal environmental extremist type.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:

Also, the topic of boys in school has come up several times in various classes, and unlike some of the other teachers on here have said, my courses have actually discussed the harm that we are doing to our boys and ways to tackle the problem.

I’d love to hear some examples if you can recall any.[/quote]

I took the class that discussed this most in depth about 2 years ago, so I’m afraid I can’t get too specific. But, we discussed things like how boys and girls learning styles differ, how brain development varies between sexes, and the different ways boys and girls bond and communicate.

We talked about doing hands on activities and games, and different ways to handle punishment when they act out. In a more recent class we talked about a school that allowed boys to stand up when they wanted to and gave them stress balls to play with in class, which improved overall performance.

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If you walk on to a job site and somebody yells at you to get them a tool, do something that they are supposed to, or calls you an bitch in what ever their choice of words may be, you are a marked man. You will be ridden into the ground as a bitch.

Same deal in professional and academic settings with women. Different language, same intention, same results.

I had some interaction with a woman in my ethics class which resulted in me being summoned to the deans office. The dean of students was an older woman, mid to late fifty. She explained to me that the complaint by my female classmate was that I was domineering and overwhelming the class with overly aggressive statements and solutions to the discussion based assignments. I was also too boisterous, and unwilling to yield to other peoples view points.

My response was that I am by nature very boisterous, aggressive, and unyielding. The class which is designed to get a reaction or response at a visceral level was doing exactly as it should. I also pointed out that I was carrying an A in that class, and that there were no complaints from any other students or the professor.

I further explained that the woman who complained is the one with the problem. If she is the one with the problem, then it is hers to solve, not mine.

The dean concluded that I was right, and that she would speak further with the woman who lodged the complaint about how she should approach a solution. We discussed a couple of other things, like grades, which were good, some other trivial stuff, and I went on about my business.

Now I have no doubt that had I flinched, yielded, or made any apology for my behaviors in that meeting, I would have been fucked.

People have the innate drive to seize upon weakness. Whether they be men or women, they will do it. They have different ways of doing it, but the result is the same.

Women will do it with a thousand words and organizational maneuvers, guys will do it in ten words or less.

You just have to learn to recognize it, and don’t flinch when you are confronted.

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To the OP: if you’re a good student and she’s a good teacher, disagreement really shouldn’t be a problem. If not, you may run into conflict. Either way, I think it’s a mistake (one I’ve made and learned from) to get too involved with your own opinions even in a discussion-based class, because the purpose is to learn and apply a certain method of thought that’s conventional in the academic discipline you’re studying.

For example, people get really hung up when they first encounter critical theory and have to analyze a work through a Freudian lens and they think it’s absurd. But it doesn’t mean you have to believe in Freud with all your heart and soul – it’s a sort of exercise in applying one author to another and seeing how they interact. You’re learning the formalism of the discipline. You have to suspend disbelief long enough to learn the discipline before you start saying it’s no good.

I’m a technical person, so I’m always tempted to say sociologists should think more like economists, and economists should think more like mathematicians, but that’s a temptation that has to be fought; when you learn more about sociology, say, you realize that their problems are really too hard for reductive models, and that they actually know what they’re doing better than you do.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, you can’t reject feminism, as a lens through which to analyze society, until you know what it is, and know how it’s generally used by scholars. Think of it as a language you have to learn – you won’t know its limitations until you’ve had a little experience speaking it. You might well find that it has serious limitations, but you need to study enough so that your objections are coherent. And, if you want to be a little more mercenary, your GPA will be better if you can suspend disbelief long enough to work within the conventions of a class instead of rebelling against them.

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One more point I’d like to add. The prof seems to be making a lot of legit points about advertising having a negative effect on women. It’s worth exploring, especially for a person who will be working in that field.

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[quote]xylitol wrote:
One more point I’d like to add. The prof seems to be making a lot of legit points about advertising having a negative effect on women. It’s worth exploring, especially for a person who will be working in that field.[/quote]

There’s probably a little truth to it.