[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]LowfatMatt wrote:
Regarding pricing:
Protein prices have increased dramatically recently. 65% increase minimum.[/quote]
what’s the cause of this?[/quote]
Gatorade and Coca Cola buying a shitton of proteins and creatine a shortage.
There was a thread started by Dante (you know where…)about that a few months ago and some people called it bullshit.
Funny. lol
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
peptopro is essentially the protein portion of 1 serving of MAG-10.
1 serving peptopro = 10g total / 10g protein
1 serving MAG-10 = 21.55g total / 10g protein.
Presumably the other 12g is citrulline malate and leucine. So peptopro is a lot cheaper PER GRAM OF PROTEIN but not much cheaper PER SERVING OF PRODUCT.
Just look at the labels.[/quote]
That makes no sense. If peptopro serving is 10 grams and all 10 grams are protien, there are no free aminos.
MAG-10 is 19 grams of aminos+protien of which I guess could be at most 9 grams citrulline malate minus whatever is luecine.
Anyone else surprised this thread is still here?
I was hoping a MOD would comment.[/quote]
per gram of protein pepto is cheaper.
different products. but pepto is chaper per g of protein.
buying things seperate and in bulk is always cheaper.
i get bulk combo of 12g CH, 9g leucine, and 9g CM. per serving (30g) cheaper than 1 serving of MAG-10 by buying in bulk.
its been adressed by mods and authors when ever price comes up, theyve said it themselves, bulk is always cheaper.
sorry if this is a double post but it didnt show up…
the leucine and citrulline malate make MAG10 better than standard CH.
what makes peptopro better standard CH? all i noticed was a slightly better amino profile
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
sorry if this is a double post but it didnt show up…
the leucine and citrulline malate make MAG10 better than standard CH.
what makes peptopro better standard CH? all i noticed was a slightly better amino profile[/quote]
The leucine and citrulline malate make it a supplement that, despite the greater cost, may provide you with greater benefits than PeptoPro.
Just because it has more ‘stuff’ in it doesn’t mean it is better; that would be something you would need to decide for yourself after giving both an honest shot. Who knows, maybe MAG10 will work extremely well for you. Maybe you will end up preferring the less expensive option and supplementing your protein with other ingredients.
As for the differences in the amino acid profile… probably not something worth worrying about unless you have everything else dialed in.
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
sorry if this is a double post but it didnt show up…
the leucine and citrulline malate make MAG10 better than standard CH.
what makes peptopro better standard CH? all i noticed was a slightly better amino profile[/quote]
The leucine and citrulline malate make it a supplement that, despite the greater cost, may provide you with greater benefits than PeptoPro.
Just because it has more ‘stuff’ in it doesn’t mean it is better; that would be something you would need to decide for yourself after giving both an honest shot. Who knows, maybe MAG10 will work extremely well for you. Maybe you will end up preferring the less expensive option and supplementing your protein with other ingredients.
As for the differences in the amino acid profile… probably not something worth worrying about unless you have everything else dialed in.[/quote]
…think you missed the point. i was asking what makes peptopro better than standard CH.
i use MAG-10 now (which i like a lot btw) and i used standard CH prior to now. i like MAG-10 more which i attribute to the added leucine/citrulline malate.
That’s like asking, “What makes Kleenex better than a standard tissue?”
I do not understand what you are saying wiffer. Kleenex is the first company to successfully market the tissue and thus has brand recognition similar to that of the product name. Another example of this type of brand/product name cross use would be Rollerblade and in line skates, where Rollerblade is the industry leading brand and thus many people say they are going rollerblading rather then saying they are going in line skating.
How is asking how MAG-10 is better then another brand of CH similar to your statement. MAG-10 is the new player on the block, not the industry leader, yet, and thus does not receive that type of recognition.
I’m sure MAG-10 makes a difference for someone who is advanced like the bodybuilders in the Training Lab, but for beginners and intermediates I bet it barely makes a difference.
[quote]bwbski wrote:
I do not understand what you are saying wiffer. Kleenex is the first company to successfully market the tissue and thus has brand recognition similar to that of the product name. Another example of this type of brand/product name cross use would be Rollerblade and in line skates, where Rollerblade is the industry leading brand and thus many people say they are going rollerblading rather then saying they are going in line skating.
How is asking how MAG-10 is better then another brand of CH similar to your statement. MAG-10 is the new player on the block, not the industry leader, yet, and thus does not receive that type of recognition. [/quote]
I’m sorry you had to type all that up. I was responding to the guy who asked, “What makes PeptoPro better than standard CH?” It struck me as a silly question, because PeptoPro makes a “standard” CH, just like Kleenex makes a “standard” tissue. And in fact, as per your analysis, both of these brands are synonymous with their product.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
[quote]bwbski wrote:
I do not understand what you are saying wiffer. Kleenex is the first company to successfully market the tissue and thus has brand recognition similar to that of the product name. Another example of this type of brand/product name cross use would be Rollerblade and in line skates, where Rollerblade is the industry leading brand and thus many people say they are going rollerblading rather then saying they are going in line skating.
How is asking how MAG-10 is better then another brand of CH similar to your statement. MAG-10 is the new player on the block, not the industry leader, yet, and thus does not receive that type of recognition. [/quote]
I’m sorry you had to type all that up. I was responding to the guy who asked, “What makes PeptoPro better than standard CH?” It struck me as a silly question, because PeptoPro makes a “standard” CH, just like Kleenex makes a “standard” tissue. And in fact, as per your analysis, both of these brands are synonymous with their product. [/quote]
actually DSM makes Peptopro and another “standard” CH… and yes i am intentionally being an asshole
i obviously didnt know they made both. instead of trying to dumb-me-down, why couldnt you just say that in the first place?
im not coming at you, im just saying…
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m sure MAG-10 makes a difference for someone who is advanced like the bodybuilders in the Training Lab, but for beginners and intermediates I bet it barely makes a difference. [/quote]
I can’t imagine ch protien makes that much difference than regular protien for 99 percent of people on this site/ in the world, let alone between two brands
I’ve never seen any CH besides PeptoPro, even Biotest gets their CH from PeptoPro–at least that was what I read, so I didn’t realize DSM was the brand name. Regardless, I would still tend to think that PeptoPro is just the brand name for DSM’s CH, and that anything else they put out is just bulk PeptoPro without the label. If it’s a different product, I imagine it’s less hydrolyzed, just as I believe Biotest gets a product hydrolyzed to a higher standard.
Sorry for coming off as a dick. I guess arguing with the guys over in Politics and World Issues makes me a little snarky.
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Citrulline directly modulates muscle protein synthesis. Something to think about when choosing between Peptopro and MAG-10. The cost of the additional citrulline makes MAG-10 worth it IMO.
http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/22/1_MeetingAbstracts/869.24[/quote]
Well if incubated muscle tissue from 3 month old rats doesn’t shout “case closed” about the effects of CM what does?[/quote]
That’s why I buy MAG-10 (sarcasm)! Haha. My dead 3 month old rats are jacked! CM is awesome! I suppose I shouldn’t have phrased the above statement that way, but I thought the study was pretty cool, and just wanted to share it. Anywho, the CM is seriously (IMO) a good addition to MAG-10, and despite whether it positively-independently affects MPS (in trained male humans), it’s a good supplement for sure.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
I’ve never seen any CH besides PeptoPro, even Biotest gets their CH from PeptoPro–at least that was what I read, so I didn’t realize DSM was the brand name. Regardless, I would still tend to think that PeptoPro is just the brand name for DSM’s CH, and that anything else they put out is just bulk PeptoPro without the label. If it’s a different product, I imagine it’s less hydrolyzed, just as I believe Biotest gets a product hydrolyzed to a higher standard.
Sorry for coming off as a dick. I guess arguing with the guys over in Politics and World Issues makes me a little snarky. [/quote]
no problem, all good
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]LowfatMatt wrote:
Regarding pricing:
Protein prices have increased dramatically recently. 65% increase minimum.[/quote]
what’s the cause of this?[/quote]
The gatorade G1/G2/G3 stuff. They bought all the whey protein they could get their hands on. From what I understand, whey is a by product of making cheese. So we have to wait until the “cheese makers” have more to sell. Until then, supply is an issue.
[quote]hypergainer wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]LowfatMatt wrote:
Regarding pricing:
Protein prices have increased dramatically recently. 65% increase minimum.[/quote]
what’s the cause of this?[/quote]
The gatorade G1/G2/G3 stuff. They bought all the whey protein they could get their hands on. From what I understand, whey is a by product of making cheese. So we have to wait until the “cheese makers” have more to sell. Until then, supply is an issue.[/quote]
so are prices expected to go down anytime soon or are the current prices like the new baseline?
As far as MAG-10 goes, If I had peptpro and was offered to be traded my peptopro straight across for MAG-10, I would in a heart beat. MAG-10 brings the heat, the few $ difference means nothing, I want what I want and that’s the best. MAG-10 is a superior product in my eyes. It’s the only casein hydrolysate product I can stomache with Surge Workout Fuel and MH. It’s helped me a ton.
I just ordered the Metabolic Drive bars and was low on Spike (can’t live w/o Spike tabs). I can’t wait to taste the bars, I read they taste Bombay. I like it has MC in it and the convenience factor. I wanted to order MAG-10 but I have enough for 3.5 weeks at 10gs, Alpha-GPC, 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel, and Surge Recovery per workout.
PS: You know what’s awesome. I just cracked in to the Surge Workout Fuel Tim sent me as a thank you 6 months ago. Just like to say thank you and I saved it for a time when I’d use it best and I’m puting it on the ropes now. Thanks man, you really helped me out there. Even though it’s taken so long to use it I’m utilizing at the best possible time.
MAG-10 FTW
-Oce