I bought some of this stuff and was planning on running it for 3-4 weeks, followed by 4 weeks of Nolvadex 40/40/20/20, with some kind of liver support supplement (any recommendations)? I know this stuff is a lot more dangerous and harsh than illegal AAS, and I know I am taking some risks, but I don’t have access to the “good stuff”. A friend of mine tried to sell me some Sust250 but he is only running 250mg/week and can’t get me more than that… I thought that was dumb.
I’m 22 years old, bodyweight about 230-240 and am about 12-15% bodyfat I would guess. Best bench 315, best squat 450, best deadlift 500. My only other experience with AAS was a cycle of epistane, and I think the Nolvadex actually did more to help me than the actual steroid.
A few questions:
-What would be a reasonable dosing schedule? I have heard conflicted information. I think the manufacturer suggests 30mg for 4 weeks but I am not so sure…
-What are some reasonable expectations for how much I can keep? My primary goal is strength.
Thanks for the help.
I plan on running the same cycle soon. Im 22 and have only used epistane as well. Anyone got any experience with this crap?
this is the worst compound i have ever taken.
some guys love it, but i tired this by 2 or 3 different companies, and every time i had to stop the cycle before the first week was up. flet like i had flu all the time, although i had a noticeable shift in LBM pretty fast…
btw, i’ve seen most suggest 10-30mg/wk, for 3-4 weeks…
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
this is the worst compound i have ever taken.
some guys love it, but i tired this by 2 or 3 different companies, and every time i had to stop the cycle before the first week was up. flet like i had flu all the time, although i had a noticeable shift in LBM pretty fast…
btw, i’ve seen most suggest 10-30mg/wk, for 3-4 weeks…[/quote]
How much were you using? Did you take any liver support supplements alongside it?
[quote]INTERNETWARLORD wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
this is the worst compound i have ever taken.
some guys love it, but i tired this by 2 or 3 different companies, and every time i had to stop the cycle before the first week was up. flet like i had flu all the time, although i had a noticeable shift in LBM pretty fast…
btw, i’ve seen most suggest 10-30mg/wk, for 3-4 weeks…[/quote]
How much were you using? Did you take any liver support supplements alongside it?[/quote]
well, the first product i took had some liver support in it, so i didn’t take anything additional. the second time i took whatever prodcut CEL put out (Cycle Assist, maybe?)
both times i started at 10 mg, and tapered up by 10 mg/day, until i hit 30 mg/day (as was the advice at the time). i even tapered down when i got side, but they remained.
but some guys i know got NO side from it, and bllew up. personally, i hate the shit and will never use it again…
What do you guys think of 4 weeks 20/20/20/20?
I would love to know peoples thoughts on possible progestin/prolactin activity with regards to this product. I have come across a LOT of reports of gyno appearing mid cycle… and even the supposed “delayed gyno” (whether or not this REALLY exists is up for debate I gather).
I would LOVE to try this compound… but would like to know how to prevent gyno from every possible angle!
Is nolva defiantly the current favored PCT for this compound?
What about stacking up at a low dose (10mg) with a medium dose of a type 1 (eg. Havoc at 30mg?)?
Has anyone had experience of this compound in a calorific deficit?
I used for 3 weeks whith no problem
i went from 85kilos for 90kilos really lean about 9% bodyfat before and 10,5% after
as musch the dose was low like : 2 a day first week
2 a day second week
1 a day third week
my skin began to get oiled than i stoped because
i always had probelm whith acne
so i stoped before get worse.
i gonna use again for sure
really easy to use and good gains
PS: my diet was really really strict all the time
some friends of my take the m-drol and got monster bloat
because of the diet.
[quote]IGORHUGE wrote:
I used for 3 weeks whith no problem
i went from 85kilos for 90kilos really lean about 9% bodyfat before and 10,5% after
as musch the dose was low like : 2 a day first week
2 a day second week
1 a day third week
my skin began to get oiled than i stoped because
i always had probelm whith acne
so i stoped before get worse.
i gonna use again for sure
really easy to use and good gains
PS: my diet was really really strict all the time
some friends of my take the m-drol and got monster bloat
because of the diet.[/quote]
Nice gains - what did the diet, training and PCT look like? Any sign of gyno during/after?
Also how much of your 5kg gain did you keep post-PCT?
Nice gains - what did the diet, training and PCT look like? Any sign of gyno during/after?
Also how much of your 5kg gain did you keep post-PCT?
No pct , no gyno.
Diet was much like Dont diet plan by Berardi
and the training was heavy working on the basics like militar press, bench, and squat for 5 x 5 method and using 1 or 2 acessory movements for 3 x 6-8
iam now lokking leaner whith 88,500kilos whith no bloat from the drug.
[quote]IGORHUGE wrote:
Nice gains - what did the diet, training and PCT look like? Any sign of gyno during/after?
Also how much of your 5kg gain did you keep post-PCT?
No pct , no gyno.
Diet was much like Dont diet plan by Berardi
and the training was heavy working on the basics like militar press, bench, and squat for 5 x 5 method and using 1 or 2 acessory movements for 3 x 6-8
iam now lokking leaner whith 88,500kilos whith no bloat from the drug.
[/quote]
[quote]IGORHUGE wrote:
Nice gains - what did the diet, training and PCT look like? Any sign of gyno during/after?
Also how much of your 5kg gain did you keep post-PCT?
No pct , no gyno.
Diet was much like Dont diet plan by Berardi
and the training was heavy working on the basics like militar press, bench, and squat for 5 x 5 method and using 1 or 2 acessory movements for 3 x 6-8
iam now lokking leaner whith 88,500kilos whith no bloat from the drug.
[/quote]
How old are you?
[quote]benmoore wrote:
[quote]IGORHUGE wrote:
I used for 3 weeks whith no problem
i went from 85kilos for 90kilos really lean about 9% bodyfat before and 10,5% after
as musch the dose was low like : 2 a day first week
2 a day second week
1 a day third week
my skin began to get oiled than i stoped because
i always had probelm whith acne
so i stoped before get worse.
i gonna use again for sure
really easy to use and good gains
PS: my diet was really really strict all the time
some friends of my take the m-drol and got monster bloat
because of the diet.[/quote]
Nice gains - what did the diet, training and PCT look like? Any sign of gyno during/after?
Also how much of your 5kg gain did you keep post-PCT?[/quote]
No pct , no gyno.
Diet was much like Dont diet plan by Berardi
and the training was heavy working on the basics like militar press, bench, and squat for 5 x 5 method and using 1 or 2 acessory movements for 3 x 6-8
iam now lokking leaner whith 88,500kilos whith no bloat from the drug.
sorry for the other 2 posts i was learning how to quote = )
One thing I am impressed with is the 10lb or so gain despite a calorific deficit.
Regardless you probably won’t like what I have to say is that from what I have read here you did everything wrong… too young and no PCT.
Could be an idea to get your hormone levels checked out with your doc - you might feel fine but there could be something lurking below the surface!
[quote]benmoore wrote:
One thing I am impressed with is the 10lb or so gain despite a calorific deficit.
Regardless you probably won’t like what I have to say is that from what I have read here you did everything wrong… too young and no PCT.
Could be an idea to get your hormone levels checked out with your doc - you might feel fine but there could be something lurking below the surface![/quote]
I was not in a caloric deficit
and doesnt have nothing to be right or wrong anyway
if you can you explain why somebody need pct on mdrol? i would like to hear
and despite the fact is such a weak drug and the dose was to low
even sensitive indivuduasl like me(i always had acne) have no problem with the drug
[quote]benmoore wrote:
One thing I am impressed with is the 10lb or so gain despite a calorific deficit.
Regardless you probably won’t like what I have to say is that from what I have read here you did everything wrong… too young and no PCT.
Could be an idea to get your hormone levels checked out with your doc - you might feel fine but there could be something lurking below the surface![/quote]
I was not in a caloric deficit
my blood profile is just fine i did blood test before an after the drug
and doesnt have nothing to be right or wrong anyway
if you can you explain why somebody need pct on mdrol? i would like to hear
and despite the fact is such a weak drug and the dose was to low
even sensitive indivuduasl like me(i always had acne) have no problem with the drug