Ordered some Iodine - 30ml of Full Strength 12% Lugol’s Iodine. This is supposed to have 6mg Iodine & 12mg Potassium Iodide per drop.
I’ll take 2 drops per day for 2 weeks and see if my body temp etc reacts.
I’ll also keep taking (been taking all this for quite some weeks now)
5000ui of vitamin D3 per day (which apparently upped my T levels from 3xx to 4xx)
mutlivit with 30mg zinc and large doses of vitamin B’s (like 1000’s% of RDA)
magnesium citrate every other day
After this two weeks I’m going back to the doctor and won’t back down until he gets me some new blood tests. I just hope he doesn’t send me to a shrink cause of depression and whatnot again… cause then i really might break some bones
My target is to get blood tests for
T
FT,
E2
LH
FSH
Prolactin
fT3, fT4
DHEA-S
Anything else critical? … or any other suggestions?
Also a question… is trying Clomid for 4 weeks and then checking my levels anyhow harmful?
I mean, is there a chance I might worsen anything or if it doesn’t work i simply stop taking it (with slowly tapering off)?
Considering that i seem to have high estrogen (waiting to do the test - assuming by body composition etc.), could Clomid make it even worse? I already kind of got enlarged chest fat tissue… dont want to get gyno really! =(
Take 750mg iodine over a period of two-4 weeks. Take 50mg/day if your guts can tolerate it. Ping me in my 'KSman is here thread" when you see some results. I would not do thyroid labs at this time if you are doing IR. You have hypogonadism, retesting T, LH, FSH is not going to tell you anything new. E2 would be useful. ALT/AST look good, so no obvious liver issues.
There are a lot of items in the advice for new guys sticky that you have never responded too. Read the sticky.
Thanks for the response… will try the iodine first. i’ll also do the E2 test then.
Thought i already answered questions in the sticky, seems i left something out when i copy pasted.
Here i go again:
age : 25
-height : 6.168ft
-waist: 35 inches (89cm)
-weight : 180.78lbs (82kg)
-describe body and facial hair :
- Some body hair on the chest (not so much as with most), down there hair seems ok i think… all hair is extremely light in color… so light its not even visible on the legs etc
- Facial hair is where it gets weird…on the cheeks i don’t really have much… and it seems theres less and less as the time goes by ! It also grows extremely slow… i shave maybe every 10 days.
-describe where you carry fat and how changed
- I always carried fat on my chest, hips-lower stomach and thighs… everyone always told me i got legs like a lady!
- when i was a kid I was fat (while noone in my family was and they had no idea why) and kinda had breasts
-Rx and OTC drugs, any hair loss drugs or prostate drugs ever
- never any drugs or anything
-lab results with ranges
- above
-describe diet [some create substantial damage with starvation diets]
- had a very low fat diet like 6 years ago (only “healthy” fats - 20g)… but for a very short time
- always had a healthy diet… with no sugar etc
- last year I’m on Ketogenic diet with occasional carbs and it’s simply great. First time i gotten my waist way down. Was impossible while i ate any carbs. Diet is based on high fat/ moderate protein/low carb. i Always watch the kcals. Atm i eat little above maintenance on workout days, otherwise just at the maintenance kcals. When i triy to lose weight i do maintenance+5% on workout and - - 25% on non workout days. To sum up : Keto rules =)
-describe training [some ruin there hormones by over training]
- done stronglifts 5x5
- atm im doing similar… same exercises just less and one added - so its same number of reps at the end
-testes ache, ever, with a fever?
- no they dont
-how have morning wood and nocturnal erections changed
- i used to have morning wood all the time… now its there sometimes…
ok… this is my 5th day of IR. I have iodine liquid where one drop contains 6,25mg iodine and 9,93mg idoide.
First day i took 2 drops and then 3 drops every day (46,8mg iodine).
Yesterday afternoon > headaches started. Thought it’s from caffeine that i used as a preworkout (though i kinda “overdosed”)…but mild headache is still present today. Been reading and it could be from IR causing the release of Bromide. So it kind of shows IR is “working” ?
Regarding my blood tests which show secondary… been to my GP and he will send me to another doctor (endo) which knows more about male hormones then the first endo i’ve been to.
Had a chat with the first endo today, wanted to see his reasoning behind his conclusion that everything is ok. Turns out - he didn’t even know about Secondary hypo… i told him my LH/FSH are low and he said yea see - with hypogonadism they should be sky high with you’r test well below reference values …then i just ended the conversation. Seen its no use really.
Problem is though that i will wait about a year to year and a half for the second endo! I’m sick of this…
I’m thinking I’ll get clomid and try it for 4 weeks to see if it works. I’ll low dose it to 12.5mg per day. Heres the “cycle” i had in mind:
1 week : 12.5mg/day
2 week : 12.5mg/day
3 week : 12.5mg/day
4 week : 12.5mg/day > blood tests
5 week : 12.5mg/day
6 week : 12.5mg 4 times per week
7 week : 12.5mg 3 times per week
8 week : 12.5mg 2 times per week
Question: If i feel better and blood tests turn out to be ok, could i stick with clomid for a longer time… like till few weeks before my endo appointment?
Atm I am at day 13 of my IR (took a total of little less then 600mg) and on 9th day of Clomid test at 12.5mg daily.
Here are my observations so far:
my morning/afternoon temperatures definitely went up, but not by much. About 97,15F (from below 97) in the morning and about 97.8 in the afternoon.
had a nasty headache on 4th and 5th day of IR, which went away… days before starting Clomid i think i felt better, not as sleepy in the afternoon etc.
Clomid:
first days my libido was kind low (non existent), not sure if that can already be Clomid acting??
after last 4 days i got morning wood every morning again! Barely ever had it anymore. It’s not even wood, its concrete!
My libido is also getting better…but…my orgasms seem weird (its either hard to finish or just weird… don’t know). I had no apparent mood swings that some experience (maybe too low of a dose for that).
Other things i noticed - which are probably not due to clomid are… i see veins when i workout that i don’t think i ever seen before (through my whole arm etc). Also , I’m hungry… i barely ate my 2800 kcals on workout days, now I’m so hungry i eat that till like 7pm and am basically starving at 9pm… I just can’t eat enough.
Pretty sure all this signs are good?
Way to early to notice anything else…planning on doing a blood test on 4th week (TT, FT, LH, FSH, E2).
What I’m not sure is the dose I’m taking… Maybe it is too low and should be taking 25mg per day. However when reading around i noticed most settle on 12.5mg ED or even 12.5mg EOD.
After labs you will be better able to refine dose. If you change dose, you need to wait again to get normalized before labs. You seem to be doing well now. Consider getting labs based on current dose. But wait, your testes are still changing and physical changes take time.
E2 may be getting elevated, clomid will hide some of the effects.
I think that you have protein hunger. Eat more protein or have a whey protein shake as your snack. I think that you will find that after you get more protein on board, your hunger will be less. This can be a good sign, getting anabolic and muscles want protein.
If SERM dose is too high, you will get good T levels, but LH can be too high, LH receptors can be come desensitized, T–>E2 inside the testes can get out of control.
Hi guys, sorry for this invasion and sorry for my poor english (not my first language). I´m from Brazil, male, 35 years old and having some issues on testosterone. I would really aprecciate if one of you could solve me a doubt:
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I´m taking anastrozole for six months or so (1/4 of 1mg every other day). My E2 level is at 8,2 pg/ml; T is at 407 ng/ml; LH: 8,35 mUI/ml. That is, T is at a low level, but E2 either. The ratio between both is 50:1 which is, by far, as far as I know, a very good ratio.
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Is there something I might be worried about for my testo is at a low level or this is not really a problem, due to the ratio between T and E2?
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Thank you very much!
Into my 3rd week of Clomid - seems to be doing good.
However… I got 50mg Clomid tablets (real - pharma stuff), when weighting them with precision scale they weight about 33mg ???
Hows that possible? I tested the scale and its working fine!
Just into my 5th weeks of Clomid (getting my first blood test on Monday next week - so full 5 weeks after starting)… feeling ok.
Though again i got new Clomid tablets… weighted them and the tablet weights about 24.4 mg… even less then the ones i had before (different pharma brand). Theyr all from the pharmacy.
How is it possible for a tablet to have 50mg of Clomiphene citrate and wight 24-33mg ???
Good point, if your weight is accurate, pharmacy is mislabelling. And filler/binder would also have a significant implication.
If you have N tablets, weigh them all and then divide by N and the results will be more accurate.
Does the label state to take two tablets to get your 50mg dose?
Did doc change your dose?
Often, 50mg is too much. LH can be too high, E2 can then be high and LH receptors can loose sensitivity. [The latter also can occur with high doses of hCG.]
Weight is accurate… i got different weights with it (100mg, 1g etc) to test it out.
For the ones i got before, which are 34mg it says “50mg per tablet” on the package. Same for this new 23mg ones… “1 tablet contains 50mg clomifene citrate”.
About my doctor changing the dose… this isn’t under doc’s supervision. Just trying this to see if it works on me. Wait for the endo is another 1 - 1.5 years (yeah very long waiting lines!). To get the the pharma pills is pretty easy though, as they’re prescribed for women trying to get pregnant.
Just got my blood tests back after 5 weeks of 12,5mg a day clomid.
Results are way better!
Total T: 6,89 ng/ml (2,8-8)
Estradiol: 25.58 … haven’t heard the unit… but ref values are (7-44)
LH: 6,58
FSH: 3,7
So clomid actually works for me. Though… i havent made much of a progress regarding hip/stomach fat loss. Then again it is way too soon and i was on very high kcals (3k+). Wanted to make sure my body has enough of everything.
What bothers me is my cortisol levels, theyr way up there (hip fat is probably the result of that).
I thought E2 would be much higher. Was already looking into Aromasin or Arimidex just to try it.
So what can i do meanwhile i wait to get an Endo (1 and half years)? I just feel great, not sleepy, not tired…
Could i keep taking Clomid? it’s a pretty low dose.
The problem is though i only have 38 tabs of pharma clomid left, which would amount to 152 days of usage. Not sure if i could get any more and don’t really know the quality of generics that one can get online.
I have finished IR. After finishing i am now taking only 1 drop per week (6mg Iodine & 12mg Potassium Iodide per drop).
Haven’t monitored my temperature last few weeks, will do now for some time.
I don’t really overeat… problem is I’m constantly hungry. I always barely ate 2500 kcals…Right now on workout days i eat around 3000 with ease. Non workout days i eat around 2500.
I lightened up on my low carb-high fat, but it really became a lifestlye (been doing it for like 2 years)… Added a bit of carbs (mainly fruits and oats - max 100g of Carbs on workout days, other protein & fat - around 200g each).
I’ll eat like this for about 3 more weeks… then I’ll start lowering my intake, cause i really want to lose my lady hips. Will probably be bit easier now.
What I’m noticing is that sleep is getting better. I used to log my sleeping pattern…on average i slept 3 afternoons in a week, was simply tired. Right now i haven’t slept in the afternoon for 3 weeks - really never happened before.
I’m planing on doing another blood test in about 2 months, things should settle by then.
I’m wondering what would the results be with higher clomid dosage (25mg/day).
I’m wondering… if my E2 seems to be OK… then why do i store so much fat on my chest (and hips/lower abs)… ?
Fat on my chest is the most annoying though, seems like i have boobs with a t-shirt on.
Is it possible that with taking Clomid that my T levels rose while E2 dropped (so maybe the balance did change, but it is just too soon to tell)? I’m going to try to lose fat in the following weeks… to see if its any easier now. Pretty sure it should be easier with more T…
Clomid or any SERM increased E2 levels. Only an aromatase inhibitor [AI] will lower E2 levels; by reducing production. Nothing removes E2 once created other than liver and metabolic processed. Why do you think that E2 seems to be OK at this point? Something might have progressed since last labs. Too much SERM can drive a lot of T–>E2 inside the testes, this is well known and in the stickies.
You cannot loose weight when thyroid function is not right. Any change in body temperatures.
If you have breast tissue that has developed. [All males have the prototype tissue that will grow if hormone status is wrong]; only surgery can remove that. However, fat loss will reduce. Press deeply, do you feel grains of rice in the fat?
I think E2 seems to be Ok because the blood test showed Estradiol at 25…
Atm I’m still on 12.5mg per day of Clomid, which I’ll keep that way or maybe go lower after another blood test in a month.
In the breast tissue I feel no grains of rice or any kind of obvious abnormality… it’s simple fat.
My body temps went up after IR - morning temps also went up as i started Clomid… measuring them every now and then.
Temps seem to be:
97,5 - 97,55 in the morning (was on average 96.7 before IR & Clomid)
97,85 - 97,9 in the afternoon (was on average 97.7 before IR & Clomid)
My afternoon temperature is still low. I haven’t really taken much iodine after IR. Will add it in one drop of iodine 3x per week (one drop contains 6mg Iodine & 12mg Potassium Iodide.), should be enough for maintenance.
I wanted to get a rT3 test done, but labs here only have FT3/FT4 tests. Gotta find a lab here that does rT3…
I got some Aromasin at home, bought it before the tests cause i was certain i got high E, since i got all the symptoms… was thinking i’d try a out with very low dose of 3mg anyway and see how i start responding. Will rpobably do another E2 test first though.
Regarding E2, which was shown normal (27), though i got all the high E symptoms… I read i should get some ultasensative test… this was not.
I have just lowered my dose of clomid to 12.5mg EOD… My morning wood/libido dropped so i think it is too low of a dose.
Reason i lowered the dose was cause i read that SERMS lower sensitivity to LHRH. Which I’m not sure how big of a concern is.
Whats anyone thoughts on this? Would 12.5mg ED be a problem?
This would be till my endo appointment, which is in 11 months… yeah long wait.
I’ve been on clomid for some time now…good 2 months.
I’ve just been to another endo. I have my blood work in about 5 weeks.
Then i need to be “clomid free”. Will i be?
I don’t know if 5 weeks are enought for my levels and everything to drop back down…
