That’s fair, a lot of people will just take whatever their doc gives them and not question it. Doc knows what they’re doing after all.
If i do try it I’ll be careful and will post a thread on my experience, pros and cons.
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I’m choosing to follow forum rules, I can’t link Excelmale links here. That’s why I asked him to go over there and have a look for himself.
I question everything and if it doesn’t make sense or I cannot back it up, I don’t believe it. That’s why I can’t believe his Danny’s poll, because I can’t scrutinize it.
Some have bought it without ever scrutinizing it, not that you can.
@systemlord So it’s a fake poll? Is that what you’re saying? I made it up?
You can’t take screenshots of a poll and post it here? Are you that useless? You tell me I’m a liar but can’t seem to find a way to back up your own statements?Good job.
How come you haven’t filled out the TRT credibility thread, eh Mr know it all? How about we start scrutinizing who YOU are?
Join the FB group and tell the over 2000 members that it’s a fake poll. I double dare you.
Your poll isn’t fake, it doesn’t represent what you’re claiming, I can’t scrutinize it which has been explained many times. Give me a study or something that stands up to being thoroughly evaluated by those with medical credentials and not some random poll.
You created that thread to bolster your position after I caught you agreeing with @johann77 while taking the opposite position with me even though I making the same argument.
You appeared to take two different positions on the same subject, then when I confronted you about it, your feathers got all ruffled and that’s when you resort to using CAPS and cuss words.
It was comical and then all of a sudden a thread is created and the timing was perfect. You originally wanted to debate with me on YouTube, but I saw right through it and now the credibility thread. I have nothing to prove to anyone.
Members can take my advice or not.
They were all (groups) initially given GnRH agonists to completely shut down natty test production prior to the trials being initiated… so no… the reason they didn’t acquire more muscle mass comparative to controls was because test wasn’t high enough… furthermore, this study doesn’t even measure the amount of muscle mass accrued, it’s a measurement of sexual function/cognition
USD, CAD or AUD… the first two are far more impressive than the last… unfortunately the Australian dollar sucks and our economy is (somewhat) in the shitter
Each time I’ve been on a plane I’ve fallen off the edge of the earth! How do you explain THAT?
For me… I’d see this as a fat bonus!
It depends, for someone such as myself… giving away my public identity would present a tremendous level of risk (for my livelihood/future prospects). That being said I have contacted you through my Facebook prior, thus it’s fairly obvious (to you) I’m a wacky, eccentric teenager.
Which… other drugs? Asking… for a friend
Hmmmmmm, I tend to agree with you for most instances beside from my clearly bias one as the drug gives me therapeutic relief unparalleled to most others. I’d rather be on deca long term than popping Oxys/other opiate analgesics (which I do have the option of)
The thing is
These are issues I get on test… not deca, mast or even DBOL! I do hate dbol though (used for like 2.5 wks) due to the inherent hepatotoxicity, chronic acid reflux it induced (alters flora within the gut deleteriously), made me feel like shit in general, appetite suppression etc. probably won’t be on long term though, more “sporadically for intermediate/long stretches”… I’m well aware of the cardiac, neurological risks associated etc
@systemlord what am I claiming with my poll? I’ve only clarified this 20 times. I stated that this is what I’m seeing in the group. I stated this is what I’m seeing with the guys who email me.
What exactly have I claimed that was untruthful. You keep twisting words around without answering the question. Re-read once more what I have aimed and then tell everyone where I’m being untruthful.
@systemlord It was @Chris_Colucci idea to start that thread, or did you miss that part? He said he didn’t have the time, so I did, and he thanked me for taking the initiative. Did you not see all of that?
Did you not read the clarification I made to @johann77 about the poll (who I mostly agree with virtually all the time). You’re still bending the facts around. Again, I’m reporting what I see in the group and the men who email me. I haven’t spoken to every man on the planet, obviously. Please demonstrate where I’m being untruthful here because your constant baseless accusations are getting stupid. I’ve been nothing but clear and concise. The creds thread had nothing to do with timing. You weren’t going to debate me in any case so why bring it up? You’re making it sound like you were but now you’re not because of this (more lies).
Is everything a conspiracy with you? Do you keep aluminum paper wrapped around your head so the aliens can’t get to you?
Does this really work? Asking for a friend… 
I think you have been pretty clear about your poll. Sure its a small sampling and strictly associated with your group but you were up front about that. Sampling this population in an unbiased way is a pretty tough feat. I think any poll, especially when qualified, is helpful. This is coming from a guy whose free T sits in the high teens most of the year. So, I’m not exactly touting the same numbers as @dbossa either.
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I’ve asked repeatedly what I could change in the poll, to which I’ve received no reply… Only criticism. Even though the claim was definitely made clear from the start.
People criticize others while providing zero relevant or practical advice if their own.
And that’s appreciated. But to repeatedly say that you “bet” the results would be different elsewhere/you “could go” elsewhere to get different results/you “guarantee” the results would be different elsewhere… that’s all just unsupported speculation and empty words.
That’s your responsibility, actually. He doesn’t need to chase down evidence to prove your point, you do. The onus is on you to provide evidence to support what you’re saying. That’s Debate 101.
Go where ever you want, do whatever survey you want, then screenshot the results to post here. That would allow an honest and open discussion and it’d support your argument more than the hunch you’re currently relying on.
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before you got to feeling good, did you get worse? Did you have to power through a period of lower libido before it got better?
Holy shit this poll argument has spilled over into this thread too? That argument needs to end. The poll is helpful. Is it scientific? Not really. But who gives a shit? We should be thankful that someone took the time to do it and offer suggestions to improve it or do a better once yourself. Too much bickering on this board right now, on both sides.
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Basically every change I’ve made on TRT came with a period of feeling worse before I felt better. Your body has to adjust and once adjusted you start to feel the effects of whatever change you made. Keep that in mind anytime you change something. That’s why most people give up within 4 weeks when had they waited another 2-4 weeks they’d likely be in the clear.
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In virtually every single video I’ve made on the subject I repeat one thing in particular:
You may feel worse before you feel better. Give your body the time it needs to adjust. The wait is totally worth it.
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Found this article written by a Harvard expert, take it for what it’s worth to you, but I felt the info was interesting
This was towards the Q&A section
“I think that the importance of testosterone for cardiovascular health is going to be increasingly recognized. In the past, because men die of heart attacks more often than women and men have more testosterone, the fear has been that testosterone causes heart problems. But every single study of whether testosterone is bad for the heart has been negative, and what people haven’t pointed out in most of those negative studies is that there may be a beneficial effect.”
The receptors need time to adapt to these dosages. I wonder how long it takes. Maybe some don’t stick to a higher dose long enough to realize. Maybe one needs supporting nutrients and minerals to achieve the “feel just as good if not better” .