Just a question does anything on my info point to Hypopituitarism
Both my ft3 and test are low
I was just reading the link
So I could have
Hypopit
or
Hypothy
or
Hypoadrenal
or
these are just my normal levels
ALso one more question-- for the time being should stop the ketogenic diet and slowly reintroduce the carbs-or should i maintain where im at and let things level out
I just did the pupil test listed on the link Purechance posted …my pupils were really fluctuating… if what im reading is right this point to low cortisol levels as well
I just had another client that went through the same thing. The extreme dieting may have triggered a preexisting thyroid condition such as your mother may have not diagnosed by the Dr. This is why proper evaluation of a case is essential because this type of information needs to be examined. When dealing with peoples in forums they tend to leave out critical details dealing with past family medical issues. Most likely you may be past the high cortisol phase and moved into the burn out stage. This is why when I deal with people I train I look at factors through blood test to make sure they are doing it in a healthy balanced way. I will even force them to get blood work before even taking them on as client because I do not want any surprise down the road. Again I may take an extreme approach, but clients appreciate in the long for being proactive.
I also worked with shelby this summer and started experiencing my issues afterwards, I had the post labeled “23 year old with 101 total test”…Not saying it’s his fault but does seem a bit odd.
Yeah, johnmurray There is no doubt about, the diet is really intense, especially with the long period keto. But I agree with hardasnails in that i believe this condition was there b4 the diet but by doing the diet made it worse and thats why it more noticeable now. I guess it is a good thing as I would have never been aware of these conditions had it not been for that.
So I think I have a good prognosis through all the info you guys have given me (let me know if I leave nething out)
I have a underactive thyroid possibly hypothroid,(so the thyroid needs to be treated) this has been there for sometime—this existing condition has forced my adrenals to work harder than normal putting them into a adrenal fatigue(saliva test needed) (Cortisol needs to be treated)---- also there is the problem of the low Testosterone (can be treated)------All of these problems could be caused by hypopitutarism (on the stop the thyroid madness.com it says TSH below 1.8 for men–mine being a 1.42 this point to this conclusion)
Let me know if Ive over looked anything?
OHH and BTW I took my temp this morning 8 am it was 96.8 (F)
I will takit every morn and keep track
Also as for my diet for the time being–just coming from a longterm keto- what can I do to stabilize and not gain fat- can i slowly reintroduce carbs?
[quote]Chaos6060 wrote:
Yeah, johnmurray There is no doubt about, the diet is really intense, especially with the long period keto. But I agree with hardasnails in that i believe this condition was there b4 the diet but by doing the diet made it worse and thats why it more noticeable now. I guess it is a good thing as I would have never been aware of these conditions had it not been for that.
So I think I have a good prognosis through all the info you guys have given me (let me know if I leave nething out)
I have a underactive thyroid possibly hypothroid,(so the thyroid needs to be treated) this has been there for sometime—this existing condition has forced my adrenals to work harder than normal putting them into a adrenal fatigue(saliva test needed) (Cortisol needs to be treated)---- also there is the problem of the low Testosterone (can be treated)------All of these problems could be caused by hypopitutarism (on the stop the thyroid madness.com it says TSH below 1.8 for men–mine being a 1.42 this point to this conclusion)
Let me know if Ive over looked anything?
OHH and BTW I took my temp this morning 8 am it was 96.8 (F)
I will takit every morn and keep track
Also as for my diet for the time being–just coming from a longterm keto- what can I do to stabilize and not gain fat- can i slowly reintroduce carbs?[/quote]
I was also doing the Clen during the diet and metabotrop and cognitrop the two products from their site that he recommended. I may be way off but isn’t there a chance that the continuous use of those stimulants plus constant clen could have caused the adrenal fatigue?
Absolutely!
Starvation is a severe stress as well.
Ok just an update for temperatures-
all taken in morn at 8am
Nov 19— 96.8 (F)
Nov 20— 95.8 (F)
Nov 21— 96.5 (F)
If this is diet induced, then most docs will be at a loss about what to do except cover up the symptoms and not deal with the cause. You do need to resolve the thyroid issue. If rT3 is up, you will need to not take T4. And if rT3 is up, you will need to look deeper at adrenal function, labs and support. Your goal should be taking care of your body and not chasing a dream that is clearly not sustainable even if you get there.
[quote]Chaos6060 wrote:
Yeah, johnmurray There is no doubt about, the diet is really intense, especially with the long period keto. But I agree with hardasnails in that i believe this condition was there b4 the diet but by doing the diet made it worse and thats why it more noticeable now. I guess it is a good thing as I would have never been aware of these conditions had it not been for that.
So I think I have a good prognosis through all the info you guys have given me (let me know if I leave nething out)
I have a underactive thyroid possibly hypothroid,(so the thyroid needs to be treated) this has been there for sometime—this existing condition has forced my adrenals to work harder than normal putting them into a adrenal fatigue(saliva test needed) (Cortisol needs to be treated)---- also there is the problem of the low Testosterone (can be treated)------All of these problems could be caused by hypopitutarism (on the stop the thyroid madness.com it says TSH below 1.8 for men–mine being a 1.42 this point to this conclusion)
Let me know if Ive over looked anything?
OHH and BTW I took my temp this morning 8 am it was 96.8 (F)
I will takit every morn and keep track
Also as for my diet for the time being–just coming from a longterm keto- what can I do to stabilize and not gain fat- can i slowly reintroduce carbs?[/quote]
I was and still am in a very similar situation…ketosis/rapid weight loss followed by my hormone levels tanking. I hope you didnt get those labs while you were dieting. It is obvious that all lab ranges would be screwed up if your body was under the stress of a ketogenic diet. Right now your physique should be your last concern. You need to start eating a ton of healthy food and back off of the exercise for a few months and than retest.
[quote]KSman wrote:
If this is diet induced, then most docs will be at a loss about what to do except cover up the symptoms and not deal with the cause. You do need to resolve the thyroid issue. If rT3 is up, you will need to not take T4. And if rT3 is up, you will need to look deeper at adrenal function, labs and support. Your goal should be taking care of your body and not chasing a dream that is clearly not sustainable even if you get there. [/quote]
I Agree…KSMan do you have any thoughts as to why so many cases of this are popping up?
No, coincidence perhaps. Or the spread of dangerous and flawed information or advice.
Thanks to efforts of others, at least we are now collectively aware of some of the causes and effects. As you know, I lost 14 pounds in the hospital this summer. I have regained that weight as of last week [4 months]. I don’t know if I will ever feel the same after that starvation. So I have some feelings about what these self imposed starvation cases are putting themselves through.
I know my lingering effects are vague and if I go to a doc and state that things do not feel right and explain my history, I will probably not gain any benefit. I will be doing a male panel for my 6 month TRT med review and perhaps something might show up there. And I do not have the energy to tackle much in terms of taking charge of this aspect of my health care. I think that a 4 sample cortisol test would be a good start.
[quote]KSman wrote:
No, coincidence perhaps. Or the spread of dangerous and flawed information or advice.
Thanks to efforts of others, at least we are now collectively aware of some of the causes and effects. As you know, I lost 14 pounds in the hospital this summer. I have regained that weight as of last week [4 months]. I don’t know if I will ever feel the same after that starvation. So I have some feelings about what these self imposed starvation cases are putting themselves through.
I know my lingering effects are vague and if I go to a doc and state that things do not feel right and explain my history, I will probably not gain any benefit. I will be doing a male panel for my 6 month TRT med review and perhaps something might show up there. And I do not have the energy to tackle much in terms of taking charge of this aspect of my health care. I think that a 4 sample cortisol test would be a good start.[/quote]
Thanks, i have been considering the cortisol test myself.
Just an update- the second tests the endo took cam back and my total T was 87 (800- 1000)FML! He ordered an MRI so thats what s nxt on the menu.
Just as a preliminary question for those of you who have been in this situation and returned to normal or even improved how long does the rehab or treatment take.
In my case how long would it take for my levels to return to normal or improve once treatment is started?
You seem to have hypothyroidism. So an attempt to use transdermal T will probably fail. If you started with injections and managed E2 levels you could start feeling good in 2-4 weeks. Read the stickies and know what to fight for.
Do you think that is waranted at my age? I dont know, the docs have said no
Ive been reading that nolvadex or clomid with hcg is better for someone my age but I dont know if that recomendation is for someone in my position?
In my situation do think it is worth it?
I am pushing hard for thy meds but the endo was very reluctant talk to me about test
Just the same, know the issues for the future.
SERMs increase LH, no point in increasing LH and doing hCG at the same time. We know that too much hCG can down regulate LH receptors. There can be too much of that from LH_hCG if hCG is combined with a SERM.
Clomid can have nasty estrogenic side effects. Suggest nolvadex.
If one does not have a normal LH response to a SERM, the top end of the HPTA is broken. In that case, hCG would be needed.
Got some more B test results from the second bt- Let me know if these raise any flags
-Albumin 4.5 (3.5-5.0)
-Prolactin 4.88 (2.1-17.0)
-TSH .83 (.49-4.67)
-LH 1.0 (1.5-9.3)
-FSH 2.6 (1.4-18)
-Ft4 1.04 (.71-1.85)
-Ft3 1.86 (2.3-4.2)
Also I have a question- In what order should I prioritise my seeking of treatment (what should I push the hardest for first,second,…)
From what Ive read the sequence goes - cortisol (hypoadrenal)/ Thyroid (hypothy)/ then sex hormones (in my case T)
BTW- I am fairly sure these probs stim from hypopit as I fit many prerequisites I have found online- having an MRI done monday that will prolly confirm
With low T4/T3 and low TSH, I agree that the issue could be from the top end . Typically, one cannot restore functions when the cause is pituitary damage of some sort. I think that you could start with thyroid meds now and the diagnostics can lag if need be.
You could start TRT and thyroid at the same time, no need to get one completely settled before the other. If you did get thyroid dialed in before TRT, TRT could easily shift your thyroid levels then. Starting TRT alone might have a poor outcome.
If you have panhypopituitarism then GH and IGF-1 would also be low. You prolactin is lower than we normally see. That might be part of panhypo.
With low prolactin, dopamine would normally be up. What is your mood like? Do you laugh out loud?
I cant say that I notice any dope effects… I have laughed aloud the past couple of days (that just sounds weird to say)
hopefully I wont encounter any resistance when trying to get these meds…it sucks that I have to resort to a life long treatment such as TRT but thats how the cookie crumbles I guess
As someone who has never taken thy meds or trt what results could I expect? Will I be able to eat more?build more muscle?be stronger?less fat?
I hope I can not only return to normal but improve my position.