Low Carb Diet...Not Losing Weight

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ksommer,

insulin, cortisol and a little estrogen were my problems, but mainly insulin. I have yet to meet anyone to advice we with how to go about my diet, training etc that has given me such quick results. As I said earlier, these guys arguing with you are simply not willing to learn more and have taken the easy road of amking up their mind about the topic.

As I have also said earlier, all I care about is results and after training and trying very many diet protocols, training methods etc…this is the first that has given such great results.

Alan A, you can argue science all day long…in the end, pratice/proof will trump theory any day. EVERY coach I have spoken to that id trained in biosig and uses these protocols to get their clients to reach their goals have done so faster and better. I do agree with you when saying that some simply have to follow the general approach, discussed, BUT I do believe that biosig is a bit ahead of the rest for most.

Whatever WORKS…!!

GJ

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[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:

…in the end, pratice/proof will trump theory any day.

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GJ -

I can appreciate your training philosophy, but the fact is that nobody has offered any PROOF to contradict what Alan, et al have been saying. Anecdotal evidence is not proof.

If it works for you, great. Keep it up. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. However, your individual experience does not qualify as proof by any stretch of the imagination.

Just to be absolutely clear, I’m not berating Biosig or your methods, but rather stating that there is no objective evidence to support either.

Good luck.

-C10

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[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Alan A, you can argue science all day long…in the end, pratice/proof will trump theory any day.[/quote]

You sound very confused. Do you not understand that science is practice/proof? Do you not understand that it’s real world results measured in controlled conditions? Science provides “proof” much more than uncontrolled anecdote ever will. If you don’t understand why that is, you’re going to be very confused about what causes what.

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[quote]Conciliator wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
Alan A, you can argue science all day long…in the end, pratice/proof will trump theory any day.

You sound very confused. Do you not understand that science is practice/proof? Do you not understand that it’s real world results measured in controlled conditions? Science provides “proof” much more than uncontrolled anecdote ever will. If you don’t understand why that is, you’re going to be very confused about what causes what.

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Okay, but my point was that practice/proof trumps THEORY…the theory that losing fat is a simple as burning more calories than consumed, regardless of where they come from.

Either way, I am not here to argue…I am simply here to learn more and help others where I can, from what I have learnt.

GJ

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[quote]Conciliator wrote:

You sound very confused. Do you not understand that science is practice/proof? Do you not understand that it’s real world results measured in controlled conditions? Science provides “proof” much more than uncontrolled anecdote ever will. If you don’t understand why that is, you’re going to be very confused about what causes what.

[/quote]

nobody ever got jack’d gunz and ript abz in a lab, brah

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[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Okay, but my point was that practice/proof trumps THEORY…[/quote]

I would agree with you, had you offered any ACTUAL proof.

Once again, anecdote and conjecture are fun and all, but worthless when one is trying to prove something.

Example: I was at my leanest over the summer. I also spent a lot of time sunbathing by the pool over the summer. Therefore, I conclude that tanning by the pool burns fat. IT WORKS FOR ME™!!1!

^^wrong.

By using empirical evidence as our guide, we can learn what ACTUALLY works, thereby saving a lot of “trial and error” time in the process.

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[quote]Conciliator wrote:
ksommer wrote:
I fail to see how the difference in protein makes up for the differential in fat loss.

Sadly, I don’t think you’re joking.

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Aw, throw him a bone!
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/3/1475

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
Okay, but my point was that practice/proof trumps THEORY…

I would agree with you, had you offered any ACTUAL proof.

Once again, anecdote and conjecture are fun and all, but worthless when one is trying to prove something.

Example: I was at my leanest over the summer. I also spent a lot of time sunbathing by the pool over the summer. Therefore, I conclude that tanning by the pool burns fat. IT WORKS FOR ME™!!1!

^^wrong.

By using empirical evidence as our guide, we can learn what ACTUALLY works, thereby saving a lot of “trial and error” time in the process.[/quote]

OK we get it you are taking your first debate class and you display debating skills (mine were a little sharper my freshmen year of college when I was taking my required Philosophy class and learning what you are just now learning (as you can guess from my age that was some 17 years ago) Since then I have been making a great living doing what I love which is helping others get into the best shape of their lives.

I still haven’t seen a picture of you or your lackeys just a bunch of argumentitive jumble about how the rest of the world is wrong and YOU GUYS have the lean equation figured out. You are entitled to you opinion as others are entitled to theirs but if YOU can’t back it up with pics you’ll never be more than the little skinny fat armchair geek who tries to mask his lack of progress with a “hardgainer” label and assumes the rest of the world was blessed with genetics or takes drugs.

Seriously grow up and show a little respect to your fellow posters. It is ok to disagree but, it can be done with a bit of tact too. If you really don’t have anything better to do than sit here and debate a moot point I would say you should either hit the gym, re-evaluate your own workout or study for some of thosetough comm classes.

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How are pics relevant, or necessary?

-C10

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[quote]CoQ10 wrote:
How are pics relevant, or necessary?

-C10[/quote]

It shows you can get yourself into shape and others as well. Just PM physiologic if you doubt what I do for people I began doing his biosig 2 weeks ago and he has already gained 8lbs and lost 2.8% bodyfat. My pics are on my page. I have more respect for someone who can back up their claims than a kid who knows how to debate and google my 8 year old neice is pretty keen on those skills and I wouldn’t trust her to get me or any of my clients in shape. I have over 500 posts on here and you are more than welcome to ask anyone I have generously shared my knowledge with if they have made improvements.

It never ceases to amaze me the ones who run their mouth the most are the ones who have gained the least. They know as well as I do that posting a pic would instantly discredit them. Who wants to listen to the skinnyfat kid that is now a calorie reduced smaller fatter weaker version of themselves. You can church it up with sharp debate skills and dodge it by staying on the attack for anyone who disagrees with you but at the end of the day I have happy, lean clients and make a great living. They have nothing but the satisfaction of a successful debate effort and they go to sleep looking awful because they wasted another day trying to proove their intellectual superiority rather than go to the gym and improve themselves.

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[quote]laroyal wrote:
you’ll never be more than the little skinny fat armchair geek who tries to mask his lack of progress with a “hardgainer” label and assumes the rest of the world was blessed with genetics or takes drugs…

…It is ok to disagree but, it can be done with a bit of tact too. [/quote]

irony is lost on you isn’t it laroyal?

It’s rather pathetic to see someone as supposedly “educated” as yourself resort to the old “show me ur pix, n if ur not swole i won’t listen to you!” argument. I would expect to see something like that on the teenbodybuilding.com forums, but not from a 40ish year old man like yourself.

And while I’m on the subject of your age, do me a favor an turn your fucking baseball cap around will ya? What are we, in middle school? You look like every creepy middle aged guy who hangs around in college bars trying to hit on the freshmen.

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[quote]laroyal wrote:
CoQ10 wrote:
How are pics relevant, or necessary?

-C10

It shows you can get yourself into shape and others as well. Just PM physiologic if you doubt what I do for people I began doing his biosig 2 weeks ago and he has already gained 8lbs and lost 2.8% bodyfat. My pics are on my page. I have more respect for someone who can back up their claims than a kid who knows how to debate and google my 8 year old neice is pretty keen on those skills and I wouldn’t trust her to get me or any of my clients in shape. I have over 500 posts on here and you are more than welcome to ask anyone I have generously shared my knowledge with if they have made improvements. It never ceases to amaze me the ones who run their mouth the most are the ones who have gained the least. They know as well as I do that posting a pic would instantly discredit them. Who wants to listen to the skinnyfat kid that is now a calorie reduced smaller fatter weaker version of themselves. You can church it up with sharp debate skills and dodge it by staying on the attack for anyone who disagrees with you but at the end of the day I have happy, lean clients and make a great living. They have nothing but the satisfaction of a successful debate effort and they go to sleep looking awful because they wasted another day trying to proove their intellectual superiority rather than go to the gym and improve themselves.[/quote]

Broseph, we are not discussing who’s got the greatest fitness career. We are not discussing who gets the hottest chicks or the hottest guys. We are discussing physiology, and so far your evidence basis has boiled down to “I train people for a living”. Do you honestly think you’re the only guy in this thread who does that? And your justification for demanding pics is the typical response of those who can’t provide scientific support for their claims.

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[quote]Alan Aragon wrote:

Broseph, we are not discussing who’s got the greatest fitness career. We are not discussing who gets the hottest chicks or the hottest guys. We are discussing physiology, and so far your evidence basis has boiled down to “I train people for a living”.
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Oh yeah? and what do YOU do for a living Mr. Smart Guy?

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[quote]Alan Aragon wrote:
laroyal wrote:
CoQ10 wrote:
How are pics relevant, or necessary?

-C10

It shows you can get yourself into shape and others as well. Just PM physiologic if you doubt what I do for people I began doing his biosig 2 weeks ago and he has already gained 8lbs and lost 2.8% bodyfat. My pics are on my page. I have more respect for someone who can back up their claims than a kid who knows how to debate and google my 8 year old neice is pretty keen on those skills and I wouldn’t trust her to get me or any of my clients in shape. I have over 500 posts on here and you are more than welcome to ask anyone I have generously shared my knowledge with if they have made improvements. It never ceases to amaze me the ones who run their mouth the most are the ones who have gained the least. They know as well as I do that posting a pic would instantly discredit them. Who wants to listen to the skinnyfat kid that is now a calorie reduced smaller fatter weaker version of themselves. You can church it up with sharp debate skills and dodge it by staying on the attack for anyone who disagrees with you but at the end of the day I have happy, lean clients and make a great living. They have nothing but the satisfaction of a successful debate effort and they go to sleep looking awful because they wasted another day trying to proove their intellectual superiority rather than go to the gym and improve themselves.

Broseph, we are not discussing who’s got the greatest fitness career. We are not discussing who gets the hottest chicks or the hottest guys. We are discussing physiology, and so far your evidence basis has boiled down to “I train people for a living”. Do you honestly think you’re the only guy in this thread who does that? And your justification for demanding pics is the typical response of those who can’t provide scientific support for their claims.
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I am a biology major with 5 personal training certifications, I know a thing or two about physiology but whether I can find it in a textbook or not isn’t going to get me or my clients into shape. Results speak in this world. If you joined this site for refrence purposes you are missing the boat, take advantage of the people who have something to offer on here and learn something, if you disagree simply do so respectfully.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
laroyal wrote:
you’ll never be more than the little skinny fat armchair geek who tries to mask his lack of progress with a “hardgainer” label and assumes the rest of the world was blessed with genetics or takes drugs…

…It is ok to disagree but, it can be done with a bit of tact too.

irony is lost on you isn’t it laroyal?

It’s rather pathetic to see someone as supposedly “educated” as yourself resort to the old “show me ur pix, n if ur not swole i won’t listen to you!” argument. I would expect to see something like that on the teenbodybuilding.com forums, but not from a 40ish year old man like yourself.

And while I’m on the subject of your age, do me a favor an turn your fucking baseball cap around will ya? What are we, in middle school? You look like every creepy middle aged guy who hangs around in college bars trying to hit on the freshmen.[/quote]

Good thing you are a comm major and not in math!! Stay classy fat and small:-) We are still waiting for you to post up kid!

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[quote]laroyal wrote:
I began doing his biosig 2 weeks ago and he has already gained 8lbs and lost 2.8% bodyfat. [/quote]

and you expect us to believe this? honestly dude, you need to work on your trolling.

and assuming you graduated college at 22, and have been training clients for 17 years thereafter, would that not make you ~39-40 years old?

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[quote]laroyal wrote:
CoQ10 wrote:
How are pics relevant, or necessary?

-C10

It shows you can get yourself into shape and others as well. Just PM physiologic if you doubt what I do for people I began doing his biosig 2 weeks ago and he has already gained 8lbs and lost 2.8% bodyfat. My pics are on my page. I have more respect for someone who can back up their claims than a kid who knows how to debate and google my 8 year old neice is pretty keen on those skills and I wouldn’t trust her to get me or any of my clients in shape. I have over 500 posts on here and you are more than welcome to ask anyone I have generously shared my knowledge with if they have made improvements.

It never ceases to amaze me the ones who run their mouth the most are the ones who have gained the least. They know as well as I do that posting a pic would instantly discredit them. Who wants to listen to the skinnyfat kid that is now a calorie reduced smaller fatter weaker version of themselves. You can church it up with sharp debate skills and dodge it by staying on the attack for anyone who disagrees with you but at the end of the day I have happy, lean clients and make a great living. They have nothing but the satisfaction of a successful debate effort and they go to sleep looking awful because they wasted another day trying to proove their intellectual superiority rather than go to the gym and improve themselves.[/quote]

I see a pic of a dog, you + some other dude shakin hands and a pic of you showing of a blurry 4-pack. Post real pics or shut the fuck up.

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Alright machinist, the pic is on its way. I only post recent pics and I do not compete anymore so I don’t see the point in having it on my page.

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I think it was for the better you dropped the roids. Too bad you look smooth and generally untrained nowadays. I must say, that’s quite a remarkable regression physique wise. Still got the moonface deal going on though, what’s up with that? Either way, I would advise everyone to take Alan’s advice before yours.

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[quote]laroyal wrote:

It shows you can get yourself into shape and others as well.
…
I have more respect for someone who can back up their claims than a kid who knows how to debate and google[/quote]

If you’re using credentials and how many people someone has successfully trained as criteria for the truth value of their beliefs, then Alan and Martin have just handed you your ass. It’s hard for me to understand how people like you think. Does it not cross your mind that there are people out there who have successfully trained a ton more people than you who, but who are adamant that calories are paramount?

You act like the person who has successfully trained the most people of all is therefore right, lol. Do you not understand that people can get results for reasons other than you are aware of, or are attributing the results to?

[quote]laroyal wrote:

I have over 500 posts on here and you are more than welcome to ask anyone I have generously shared my knowledge with if they have made improvements.[/quote]

Good call. Throw in your post count. That certainly elevates the truth value of your beliefs. Too bad we’re not at my home forum right now, because then I would be 5x more right than you are right now, since I have 5x as many posts. Or maybe post count has absolutely no bearing on the accuracy of your beliefs.

[quote]laroyal wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me the ones who run their mouth the most are the ones who have gained the least. They know as well as I do that posting a pic would instantly discredit them.[/quote]

I thought you said you took a philosophy class. Did you not learn what an ad hominem is? Are you not aware that attacking the person making a claim in no way discredits the truth value of that claim? It never ceases to amaze me how people act like since they’re in shape or have trained people that it somehow entails that whey they believe about calories or cardio or tribulus or whatever it is, is therefore correct.

[quote]laroyal wrote:

You can church it up with sharp debate skills and dodge it by staying on the attack for anyone who disagrees with you but at the end of the day I have happy, lean clients and make a great living.[/quote]

There are people with happy lean clients who believe a diversity of things. Are all of their contradictory viewpoints correct? Or is it more reasonable to think that some people are mistaken about the causes of things, though their methods tend to bring about results? For example, perhaps people who think that insulin is the culprit fail to realize that when they put their clients on low carb diets, they spontaneously eat more protein and fewer calories, the real reasons.

Your logic is truly atrocious.