[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Yes.
You are quite wrong about how women are believed.
If they were, do you think Bill Cosby would still be doing comedy? Think about that for a moment. Lying or not you have a very clear example of women who are claiming to be raped and accused is still walking free.
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I tried to cut out as much bullshit as I could.
in my experience (and im sure this rings true for basically all other men), women are the most vindictive creatures to have ever walked the face of the earth. It makes no sense that a woman who was genuinely raped would not report it… even it were just for the sake of vengeance. Her identity will be concealed (though innocent men’s identities are openly published when falsely accused of rape), so what is she really risking by exposing what happened?
as for Bill Cosby, that’s just pure asinine bullshit… as sickening as it is, a black man could/would have been lynched for less than what they are accusing him of (when the first accusations started surfacing), yet he didn’t even go to trial? those women are clearly just looking for a meal ticket.
a woman falsely cries rape, the man is arrested. whether or not he is prosecuted depends on how good of a liar she is.
the facts have been laid out right before you… I can’t understand why you’re refusing to accept them. [/quote]
Well, half of the facts.
There must be, like there are for any crime, a certain number of victims that do not come forward.
That number is usually higher than the number of crimes reported.
However, while most men would be all for setting a jumping out of the bushes rapist on fire, alive, it gets a lot more difficult if she was drunk and made a bad decision, well, quite a few bad decisions really.
Some of those incidents might have been rape, some of them are broken down communication (Cuz, she was like drunk as a skunk), some are morning after regret.
So, what to do if chances are high that she is lying, or just twisting the truth enough so she looks good, which might be enough to put a man into jail?
To ze women who do not really want to debate this, well, you wanted to sexually liberated and to have control over your body and whatnot…
Fine.
The flipside is that when you make a bad decisions and it leads to unwanted outcomes, you own that.
Its all on you.
Dont come around damseling when “your body, your choice” backfires. [/quote]
Wasn’t it Professor Walkaway who came damseling around?
I think the reason there are so many unreported rapes is that most women DO own their mistakes - sometimes to a degree that allows rapists to operate freely. Sober women who are too polite to say they’re uncomfortable as dates go south (but then blame themselves for not jumping out of cars and running because they didn’t imagine things would go where they do); women who’ve had a couple of drinks and are game to “go someplace quieter,” by which she assumes he means go someplace quieter so they can get to know one another; young teens whose heads are pushed into a boys crotch because she made the mistake of thinking that hanging out watching tv alone with him would be okay, etc. These are things that happen ALL THE TIME and don’t get reported to the police.
I get frustrated with myself because people will occasionally be blatantly rude to me or exhibit another behavior that is beyond the pale and I completely fail to react appropriately. This is because when I’m startled or caught off-guard I default to polite and pleasant. Once I’m prepared or if I have time to think I’m very difficult to steamroll, but if you tell me a shitty, self-serving lie when I’m expecting a standard courteous exchange I will make it easy and pleasant for you to do so. My frustration comes afterward, when I realize I should have said no or called the person on their poor behavior rather than offered a friendly “oh, okay, sure.” I think most rapes are rooted in this tendency to polite passivity in women.
Which they do own, orion. The other thing is that there is tremendous shame in having taken unwanted dick. Women who have not gone full-scale Rambo to avoid it own that too.
I’m speaking of course of normal women, not the outliers who want for whatever sick reason to be perceived as having been victimized and/or to destroy someone else’s life.
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Some truth to this, but is it not also possible that some of the guys in the situations you described after a few drinks or with the hormones flowing didn’t realize that the girl didn’t enjoy what was happening? That maybe that same passivity could be just as easily construed as consent. As in they realize where it is going late in the game and instead of saying no, they go along with it, all the while hating it, but never voicing that concern to the male who doesn’t pick up on it.
Thereby you are essentially creating an accidental rapist in a situation that is not really rape just a poor decision by both parties. And if a woman were to report a situation like this as a rape, at least in my mind that would be a false rape claim, because she was not forced, she just elected to do something she really didn’t want to do in some weird attempt to save face.
