[quote]pushharder wrote:
Saw this a couple days ago and I guess I need an explanation.
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I have no idea. People were allowed to bring a prop into the room, so there is some conjecture that he was sodomized. When I first read it, I assumed she unbuttoned his pants and either started to blow him or sat on his dick.
Just for the record (and if I’m wrong, I’ll gladly admit it), I think this UVA rape story is BS.
The story sounds like something out of a bad movie as does the dialogue. At one point, one of “Jackie’s” rapists can’t get hard and his friends cry, “Pussy!” the other men jeered. “What, she’s not hot enough for you?” Then they egged him on: “Don’t you want to be a brother?” “We all had to do it, so you do, too.”
After being raped for 3 hours on the shards of a broken glass table, she passes out for a bit then comes to while the party is still going on. She finds her friends, who then get into a discussion on the social costs of reporting a rape.
If it’s true, her friends are nearly as evil as the guys who raped her.
Like I said, I think her story is going to start to unravel.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
The bill is fucking retarded for about 100 reasons, but it isn’t gender bias for fuck sake.
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It’s Jersey.
Non-retarded politics is not one of their strong suits…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Saw this a couple days ago and I guess I need an explanation.
[/quote]
I have no idea. People were allowed to bring a prop into the room, so there is some conjecture that he was sodomized. When I first read it, I assumed she unbuttoned his pants and either started to blow him or sat on his dick.
[/quote]
Two questions:
Can a man be “raped” by receiving an unsolicited BJ?
Can a woman who “sits on his dick” “rape” a man who
a. is flaccid?
b. is erect?
I honestly do not know the answers to these questions.
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If they look like this then probably not rape
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Saw this a couple days ago and I guess I need an explanation.
[/quote]
I have no idea. People were allowed to bring a prop into the room, so there is some conjecture that he was sodomized. When I first read it, I assumed she unbuttoned his pants and either started to blow him or sat on his dick.
[/quote]
Two questions:
Can a man be “raped” by receiving an unsolicited BJ?
Can a woman who “sits on his dick” “rape” a man who
a. is flaccid?
b. is erect?
I honestly do not know the answers to these questions.
[/quote]
If they look like this, THEN YOU BETTER FUCKING BELIEVE IT.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Just for the record (and if I’m wrong, I’ll gladly admit it), I think this UVA rape story is BS.
The story sounds like something out of a bad movie as does the dialogue. At one point, one of “Jackie’s” rapists can’t get hard and his friends cry, “Pussy!” the other men jeered. “What, she’s not hot enough for you?” Then they egged him on: “Don’t you want to be a brother?” “We all had to do it, so you do, too.”
After being raped for 3 hours on the shards of a broken glass table, she passes out for a bit then comes to while the party is still going on. She finds her friends, who then get into a discussion on the social costs of reporting a rape.
If it’s true, her friends are nearly as evil as the guys who raped her.
Like I said, I think her story is going to start to unravel.
[/quote]
if her story is a lie, watch how fast it gets buried
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Saw this a couple days ago and I guess I need an explanation.
[/quote]
I have no idea. People were allowed to bring a prop into the room, so there is some conjecture that he was sodomized. When I first read it, I assumed she unbuttoned his pants and either started to blow him or sat on his dick.
[/quote]
Two questions:
Can a man be “raped” by receiving an unsolicited BJ?
Can a woman who “sits on his dick” “rape” a man who
a. is flaccid?
b. is erect?
I honestly do not know the answers to these questions.
[/quote]
If they look like this, THEN YOU BETTER FUCKING BELIEVE IT. [/quote]
You dirty, rotten…
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Saw this a couple days ago and I guess I need an explanation.
[/quote]
I have no idea. People were allowed to bring a prop into the room, so there is some conjecture that he was sodomized. When I first read it, I assumed she unbuttoned his pants and either started to blow him or sat on his dick.
[/quote]
Two questions:
Can a man be “raped” by receiving an unsolicited BJ?
Can a woman who “sits on his dick” “rape” a man who
a. is flaccid?
b. is erect?
I honestly do not know the answers to these questions.
[/quote]
If they look like this, THEN YOU BETTER FUCKING BELIEVE IT. [/quote]
You dirty, rotten…[/quote]
hhahahhahahahahahahaha
God help me for continuing to check into this cluster fuck of a thread…and this was before Derek started posting 
I wonder if some of you truly believe that every time a woman accuses a man of rape it is one point for Team Feminist and then we all get together to drink white zin and congratulate ourselves on another hard fought battle against the patriarchy.
The truth is that most RATIONAL feminists (I know. I know. It is like saying there is a rational 2nd amendment advocate or baptist, but perhaps we could all recognize that the loudest, craziest contingency does NOT always represent the views of the majority) anywho…most women are just as concerned about false allegations as men. Why? Because they stand as an obstacle for every legitimate case. For every drunk coed who wakes up next to someone daddy wouldn’t approve of and blows a whistle, there are at least 5 women who wake up bruised and sore on a stranger’s couch.
Look. Most women just want the problem to be addressed without victim blaming. We are not looking to ruin a man’s life, but without some sort of safe place for dialog, women’s lives are being ruined all of the time by assault.
An example from a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away… I was 21 and had recently dropped out of school; the first action in a line of terrible decisions in my 20s. At the time, I was the only one of my friends to be of age and thought it would be very 90s woman of me to go out to a bar by myself. Needless to say, my innocence blinded me to the intentions of the 30 something who continued to buy me beer in order to keep me there. As someone who was not used to male attention, I was easily swayed.
Fast forward 5 hours. I woke up next to him and just wanted to get out and back home. As I searched around for my clothes, he grabbed me and held me down. After all, I was game last night, so why should this morning be any different? I tried the passive route and told him I didn’t have any more condoms. He was undeterred. I guess I didn’t say no with the proper amount of force to fully illustrate my point. Three days later, I had a doctor telling me I had contracted chlamydia.
I didn’t press charges or anything because I recognized I had made a huge mistake. However, it was also something I was never able to talk about with anyone because I was so ashamed. I did NOT want to be that girl who put herself in the place of the victim. I couldn’t bear to hear the judgement from people. Not even my best friends knew about something that even now will jump into my head and fuck me up from time to time.
I’m not saying this guy should have had his life ruined and sent to jail. What I am saying is that a conversation needs to be had and it is not a men vs women conversation. It is a conversation where we can finally agree that there are piece of shit women who will frame a guy and there are piece of shit men who will force themselves on women. I wish we could get to a place where it is good vs evil and not a gender war. A place where more men recognize the fact that at any given time, 80% of the adult male population would be able to hold me down and rape me if they show choose and that fact can be a terrifying reality. And where women can recognize that there are a great many good men who would not do such a thing and should not be punished for the crimes of their brothers. If we keep shutting down the lines of communication as soon as conflict arises, I don’t see how we will ever be able to work together to fix these issues. And trust me, both sides want to see them fixed.
And how do you want that to be adressed without victim blaming if just about 1 in 2 woman who claim to be assaulted are lying?
That was the number in the only serious Navy study I know of, that was the number in the only serious college study I know of, that was the number of a sheriff department that actually had the time to do a post mortem analysis.
45% +/- that is the number, as far as I know.
Well, I am going to be victim blaming, because that is too damn much.
1/2 of all victims are anything but !
Then obviously, Orion, you and I will never be able to have a dialog about this. It’s not the end of the world. In fact, I would never be able to have a dialog about this with extreme, man-hating feminists who are always looking to lay blame on the man; because it is too damn fun.
Where you see 45% of those who report rape as proof that half of the women are lying. I see 45% as proof that the only women who come forward are either those who have been so grossly assaulted that they are willing to fight the social stigma and all of the negative comments or those women who are using it for personal gain and the vast middle ground who stays silent because the two extremes are too overwhelming to deal with.
In case you missed my original point, false accusations hurt everyone from the accused to future victims who feel the pressure to keep silent lest they be lumped in with the same scum who have cried wolf time and time again. What I find disturbing is some men’s inability to recognize that there are those out there who will force themselves on women and shame them into staying silent. One faction exists because of the other so why does the middle keep fighting each other?
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
Then obviously, Orion, you and I will never be able to have a dialog about this. It’s not the end of the world. In fact, I would never be able to have a dialog about this with extreme, man-hating feminists who are always looking to lay blame on the man; because it is too damn fun.
Where you see 45% of those who report rape as proof that half of the women are lying. I see 45% as proof that the only women who come forward are either those who have been so grossly assaulted that they are willing to fight the social stigma and all of the negative comments or those women who are using it for personal gain and the vast middle ground who stays silent because the two extremes are too overwhelming to deal with.
In case you missed my original point, false accusations hurt everyone from the accused to future victims who feel the pressure to keep silent lest they be lumped in with the same scum who have cried wolf time and time again. What I find disturbing is some men’s inability to recognize that there are those out there who will force themselves on women and shame them into staying silent. One faction exists because of the other so why does the middle keep fighting each other?[/quote]
why do real victims keep quiet? do they really believe that their stories won’t be taken seriously?
we’ve already established that a woman can put a man in prison for rape (when no rape transpired) without the slightest shred of evidence…
so why do some women think no one will believe them?
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
Then obviously, Orion, you and I will never be able to have a dialog about this. It’s not the end of the world. In fact, I would never be able to have a dialog about this with extreme, man-hating feminists who are always looking to lay blame on the man; because it is too damn fun.
Where you see 45% of those who report rape as proof that half of the women are lying. I see 45% as proof that the only women who come forward are either those who have been so grossly assaulted that they are willing to fight the social stigma and all of the negative comments or those women who are using it for personal gain and the vast middle ground who stays silent because the two extremes are too overwhelming to deal with.
In case you missed my original point, false accusations hurt everyone from the accused to future victims who feel the pressure to keep silent lest they be lumped in with the same scum who have cried wolf time and time again. What I find disturbing is some men’s inability to recognize that there are those out there who will force themselves on women and shame them into staying silent. One faction exists because of the other so why does the middle keep fighting each other?[/quote]
Maybe because this accusation can ruin a man without any proof whatsoever?
Maybe because you can be thrown out of college just because she said so?
Radical feminists are just fine with that and average women just accept it…
So sorry, you had 30 years of men like Warren Farrel who quietly and gently and reasonably tried to point out that maybe, just maybe…
And noone gave a shit…
But, you wimmenz do react to one thing, male anger, because it scares you…
So there:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Just for the record (and if I’m wrong, I’ll gladly admit it), I think this UVA rape story is BS.
The story sounds like something out of a bad movie as does the dialogue. At one point, one of “Jackie’s” rapists can’t get hard and his friends cry, “Pussy!” the other men jeered. “What, she’s not hot enough for you?” Then they egged him on: “Don’t you want to be a brother?” “We all had to do it, so you do, too.”
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This has been bothering me also, “We all had to do it, so you do, too.”
This would point to systemic, ritualized gang rape in the UVA Greek system. Let’s assume for a moment a House with 96 Actives and every year they get 24 new pledges. Figure on 6 guys to a gang rape (is this too many? not enough?) and that would mean that 4 women a year have been victim of this atrocity. Yet no one has come forward - not the 4 women per year (understandable for myriad reasons) but also none of the guys. Maybe I have my head stuck in the sand, but I find it impossible to believe that in a group of 100 men, there aren’t a large number who wouldn’t participate in systemic, ritualized gang rape, and who wouldn’t be part of an organization that condoned such behavior.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
Then obviously, Orion, you and I will never be able to have a dialog about this. It’s not the end of the world. In fact, I would never be able to have a dialog about this with extreme, man-hating feminists who are always looking to lay blame on the man; because it is too damn fun.
Where you see 45% of those who report rape as proof that half of the women are lying. I see 45% as proof that the only women who come forward are either those who have been so grossly assaulted that they are willing to fight the social stigma and all of the negative comments or those women who are using it for personal gain and the vast middle ground who stays silent because the two extremes are too overwhelming to deal with.
In case you missed my original point, false accusations hurt everyone from the accused to future victims who feel the pressure to keep silent lest they be lumped in with the same scum who have cried wolf time and time again. What I find disturbing is some men’s inability to recognize that there are those out there who will force themselves on women and shame them into staying silent. One faction exists because of the other so why does the middle keep fighting each other?[/quote]
why do real victims keep quiet? do they really believe that their stories won’t be taken seriously?
we’ve already established that a woman can put a man in prison for rape (when no rape transpired) without the slightest shred of evidence…
so why do some women think no one will believe them?[/quote]
Do you know anyone who has been raped? Not much makes my blood boil worse than people who are capable of doing such a thing. I whole heartedly believe those people should all be gathered and slowly burned alive after being tortured for a couple years. The world is too over populated for people like that to use oxygen
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
Then obviously, Orion, you and I will never be able to have a dialog about this. It’s not the end of the world. In fact, I would never be able to have a dialog about this with extreme, man-hating feminists who are always looking to lay blame on the man; because it is too damn fun.
Where you see 45% of those who report rape as proof that half of the women are lying. I see 45% as proof that the only women who come forward are either those who have been so grossly assaulted that they are willing to fight the social stigma and all of the negative comments or those women who are using it for personal gain and the vast middle ground who stays silent because the two extremes are too overwhelming to deal with.
In case you missed my original point, false accusations hurt everyone from the accused to future victims who feel the pressure to keep silent lest they be lumped in with the same scum who have cried wolf time and time again. What I find disturbing is some men’s inability to recognize that there are those out there who will force themselves on women and shame them into staying silent. One faction exists because of the other so why does the middle keep fighting each other?[/quote]
why do real victims keep quiet? do they really believe that their stories won’t be taken seriously?
we’ve already established that a woman can put a man in prison for rape (when no rape transpired) without the slightest shred of evidence…
so why do some women think no one will believe them?[/quote]
Yes.
You are quite wrong about how women are believed.
If they were, do you think Bill Cosby would still be doing comedy? Think about that for a moment. Lying or not you have a very clear example of women who are claiming to be raped and accused is still walking free. I had a conversation with a few guys today and they all believed that a girl/woman who takes pills from some guy are basically asking for sex. So if that happens and you claim rape, clearly you were not raped. Now you tell me, if you are a woman who does something dumb, like takes candy from stranger and wind up getting raped(if it fits your definition of rape!), are you going to call the cops? Are you even going to tell anyone?
Women don’t report it because 1) they aren’t going to be believed 2) they’re not sure if what happened to them was technically rape because of some stupid social contract (like being a cock tease or getting a free meal or taking the free pudding pop) 3) because they were doing something wrong too and are ashamed 4) because they did something stupid and are ashamed 4) because they are in a relationship and feel like they’ve cheated 5) because they somehow caused it and they are ashamed 6) because they don’t want to be a rape victim so they pretend it was all fine–until some day in the future it happens to someone else and they are overwhelmed with guilt because they never said anything 7) because their best friends boyfriend/husband/brother/father did it (or insert any family member) 8) because they knew better, their gut told them something dumb they were about to do was trouble and they did it anyway (and again are ashamed) 9) you really can’t grasp how much burden is placed on a woman to make sure she DOESN’T get raped
Plus any number of other reasons. Remember, most rapes are acquaintance rapes. Which means they are probably in the middle of a lot of drama. And which means the victim probably played a part in putting herself in a bad spot. And which means many rapes probably aren’t even acknowledged by many of you as rape because of your own bullshit problems, which I won’t even start on :P. Why on earth would someone in your life come forward to say something very painful and awful happened to them for you turn around and call her a liar (and a whore!) These are not GOOD reasons to not report a rape, but they are compelling ones to a victim.
As for women who come out later, that has a lot to do with the guilt of seeing it happen to others that might have been stopped if you didn’t hide the truth or go into deep denial.
Here’s an interesting tidbit I learned in college. Most men in prison for rape say they are innocent. That’s not so interesting. What is interesting is that they don’t deny what they did, but they only deny the thing they did was actually rape. But by legal definitions, and why they are in prison, it is rape.
When you get right down to it, there are probably a lot of rape problems that come down to bad communication. I am confident there are cases of rape that fit the legal definition of rape and that I agree are rape that many of you in this thread would probably dismiss as not rape. Not saying you would actually do it, but you wouldn’t consider ‘real rape.’
Just so you know, I have no intention of debating these things with you. If you believe what I’m saying, fine. If not, I don’t care to force you. Also, apologies if you think I’m lumping all of you in with a certain mindset, because I don’t really think you’re all victim blaming slut shamers (but if you’re not I know you know of people who are, and that’s not just men). It’s just to make a point and statements with 15 disclaimers to not offend every individual are just lame.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
we’ve already established that [/quote]
I was waiting for the words “I am a liar” when I saw this but the post oddly took a different turn.
On edge, I never asked my bf your question. To be honest I forgot about it but I can’t promise I’ll remember and I won’t see him until the weekend.
Thanks DebD. You articulated that beautifully 
