Looking for Advice - False Rape Accusation

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I can go further, a lot further, but the point is that for every scheming female crying rape falsely, there is one disgusting man that would love nothing better than to actually disrespect, manipulate, or actually rape a woman. [/quote]

perhaps… but ‘loving nothing better than to…’ is not illegal. wanting to rape someone is not the same as raping someone (I know this is obvious, but I bet many women would consider them about equal).

females do subject themselves to a lot in highschool, my experience was no different.

Again however, it was all for social gain (which in highschool, is absolutely meaningless. I’ve had the privilege of being present when this realization dawned upon a girl, the look on her face when she figured out that she had sacrificed all of her dignity, all of her value, for something so trivial and meaningless…it was priceless).

I completely agree that most guys in general are garbage… this is why there are such strict laws prohibiting rape/sexual assault/whatever.

It just irks me how women in this country have it SO good (especially when compared to muslim women/women in Africa/etc.) yet feel the need to create an imaginary boogey man to throw rocks at and complain about (‘1 in 5’, ‘wage gap’, ‘rape culture’, etc.)

but I digress

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
Look, the point is- False accusations are common. Too damned common.

That’s why are there entire organizations DEDICATED to getting falsely imprisoned people out of jail.

What I want to know is, what makes you think false rape accusation is a special butterfly?[/quote]

Its in some of the “Going Mental” talks with Paul Elma and Dr Tara Palmatier, but he claimed that false rape convivtions are the bread and butter of such organizations. [/quote]

Really?

[/quote]

93 percent are men, 7 percent women;
Nearly 50 percent are black, 38 percent white, 11 percent Hispanic and 2 percent Native American or Asian;
48 percent had been falsely convicted of homicides, 35 percent of sexual assaults (23 percent adult, 12 percent child), five percent robberies, five percent other violent crimes, and seven percent drug, white-collar and other non-violent crimes.

Apparently, number two, yes.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
Look, the point is- False accusations are common. Too damned common.

That’s why are there entire organizations DEDICATED to getting falsely imprisoned people out of jail.

What I want to know is, what makes you think false rape accusation is a special butterfly?[/quote]

Its in some of the “Going Mental” talks with Paul Elma and Dr Tara Palmatier, but he claimed that false rape convivtions are the bread and butter of such organizations. [/quote]

Really?

[/quote]

93 percent are men, 7 percent women;
Nearly 50 percent are black, 38 percent white, 11 percent Hispanic and 2 percent Native American or Asian;
48 percent had been falsely convicted of homicides, 35 percent of sexual assaults (23 percent adult, 12 percent child), five percent robberies, five percent other violent crimes, and seven percent drug, white-collar and other non-violent crimes.

Apparently, number two, yes.[/quote]

But homicide’s number one, and nobody’s wringing their hands about how to protect themselves from false murder accusations. Possibly because that would be an insane thing for the average person to worry about?

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
Look, the point is- False accusations are common. Too damned common.

That’s why are there entire organizations DEDICATED to getting falsely imprisoned people out of jail.

What I want to know is, what makes you think false rape accusation is a special butterfly?[/quote]

Its in some of the “Going Mental” talks with Paul Elma and Dr Tara Palmatier, but he claimed that false rape convivtions are the bread and butter of such organizations. [/quote]

Really?

[/quote]

93 percent are men, 7 percent women;
Nearly 50 percent are black, 38 percent white, 11 percent Hispanic and 2 percent Native American or Asian;
48 percent had been falsely convicted of homicides, 35 percent of sexual assaults (23 percent adult, 12 percent child), five percent robberies, five percent other violent crimes, and seven percent drug, white-collar and other non-violent crimes.

Apparently, number two, yes.[/quote]

But homicide’s number one, and nobody’s wringing their hands about how to protect themselves from false murder accusations. Possibly because that would be an insane thing for the average person to worry about?
[/quote]

My wife goes out trail running in the very early hours. This time of year it’s still dark when she goes out. I often worry about something bad happening to her then, as my mind goes with it, I start worrying if something bad does happen if ‘they’ are going to be looking at me. Probably means I watch too much Dateline.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
Look, the point is- False accusations are common. Too damned common.

That’s why are there entire organizations DEDICATED to getting falsely imprisoned people out of jail.

What I want to know is, what makes you think false rape accusation is a special butterfly?[/quote]

Its in some of the “Going Mental” talks with Paul Elma and Dr Tara Palmatier, but he claimed that false rape convivtions are the bread and butter of such organizations. [/quote]

Really?

[/quote]

93 percent are men, 7 percent women;
Nearly 50 percent are black, 38 percent white, 11 percent Hispanic and 2 percent Native American or Asian;
48 percent had been falsely convicted of homicides, 35 percent of sexual assaults (23 percent adult, 12 percent child), five percent robberies, five percent other violent crimes, and seven percent drug, white-collar and other non-violent crimes.

Apparently, number two, yes.[/quote]

I’ve been falsely convicted of jay walking. Not kidding.

[quote]on edge wrote:
My wife goes out trail running in the very early hours. This time of year it’s still dark when she goes out. I often worry about something bad happening to her then, as my mind goes with it, I start worrying if something bad does happen if ‘they’ are going to be looking at me. Probably means I watch too much Dateline.[/quote]

Dateline NBC is a great way to become afraid of interacting with people.

Never know who wants to abuse and/or kill you.

Seriously, isn’t it a lot more reasonable to be scared of getting killed/scammed/exploited in some manner by an acquaintance instead of being scared of specifically becoming a victim of a false rape accusation?

I know a guy who, if we’re drinking in a park or on a beach, somewhere not exactly private but still secluded enough for a quiet drink in the summertime, he won’t piss behind a tree in case he gets stage fright and gets arrested for exposing himself.

now THAT seems like a genuine concern to me…

[quote]on edge wrote:

My wife goes out trail running in the very early hours. This time of year it’s still dark when she goes out. I often worry about something bad happening to her then, as my mind goes with it, I start worrying if something bad does happen if ‘they’ are going to be looking at me. Probably means I watch too much Dateline.[/quote]

I probably shouldn’t speak because we live in different countries and different cities (probably differently sized too) and different crime rates…

I do believe the rape stats, but most rapes are not the dude lurking in the bushes type. Those rapes are incredibly rare and I don’t worry about that at all. The park where I run has areas where there are all sorts of hobos and drifters literally hiding in the bushes, because they camp there and you don’t even know they are there unless you really look for them but they are harmless. I worry when I see a group of young presentable guys though. There’s a new bar that has a douchbag vibe on the edge of the park and this gave me pause about midnight runs on Friday & Saturday nights, but I got over that. Locally though, the teens and young men here are good kids it seems are surprisingly wholesome. They’re even polite when they sexually harass. A couple of times there have been a group of rowdy drinkers in the park that seemed like trouble that upon closer inspection were coworkers :stuck_out_tongue:

I figure that unless your area has a known serial rapist, then it’s fine. Even then, if there hasn’t been an attack in that spot or very near, it’s not a risk. But then again, I forget to lock my door at night sometimes. Pisses my guy off because he’s not around at night during the week. I got a baseball bat and he feels better =)

This reminds me of when I was a teen, and we had the ‘Scarborough Rapist’ and we were always on the lookout for the rapist and his van. It ends up that was (perhaps) statistically kind of silly since we were in the suburbs of Toronto, which is a huge area and a large population and the odds of being the victim of that particular rapist were still ridiculously low and our other behaviours were way more risky, such as getting drunk with any group of strange guys that seemed like they would be fun to hang out with that day. But as teenage girls will be, we would see a van slow down near us and we would OMG SCARBOROUGH RAPIST AHHH RUN! But it was a lot of joking too–I mean we still took rides from strangers as long as they weren’t in a van.

I personally never took it seriously and considered it a bogey man, but my best friend did. Thankfully for me she was reckless enough to go along and not get in the way of our fun and games :stuck_out_tongue: Everything I had ever heard was second hand and never seemed real. I was actually quite shocked later on the hear how real it was. (so perhaps I should re-think my position :stuck_out_tongue: ) One of my friend’s-friend did go missing and we were sudden slapped with a reality that it wasn’t a joke. It ends up she ran away from home and hitchhiked to Montreal and met a bad fate that way that had nothing to do with the Scarborough rapist.

Anyways, the way I see it, sure it could happen but what are the odds? And what becomes of your quality of life if you can’t live because of the fear of such a small chance? I love to run too much and it does so much for my health in so many ways that it is worth the risk. It’s such a waste too to live thinking every dude is a rapist. Most likely the other guy in the park at that hour has snuck out for a smoke or is just walking his dog.

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
Look, the point is- False accusations are common. Too damned common.

That’s why are there entire organizations DEDICATED to getting falsely imprisoned people out of jail.

What I want to know is, what makes you think false rape accusation is a special butterfly?[/quote]

Its in some of the “Going Mental” talks with Paul Elma and Dr Tara Palmatier, but he claimed that false rape convivtions are the bread and butter of such organizations. [/quote]

Really?

[/quote]

93 percent are men, 7 percent women;
Nearly 50 percent are black, 38 percent white, 11 percent Hispanic and 2 percent Native American or Asian;
48 percent had been falsely convicted of homicides, 35 percent of sexual assaults (23 percent adult, 12 percent child), five percent robberies, five percent other violent crimes, and seven percent drug, white-collar and other non-violent crimes.

Apparently, number two, yes.[/quote]

But homicide’s number one, and nobody’s wringing their hands about how to protect themselves from false murder accusations. Possibly because that would be an insane thing for the average person to worry about?
[/quote]

That is true, but such allegations can fuck you over and ruin your life if you are in college, because after the “Dear College” letter, you can have your life destroyed by a Star Chamber that uses standards of evidence that would be deemed unacceptable for a parking ticket.

You dont have to go to jail.

So many ways to ruin your life in other ways.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
Look, the point is- False accusations are common. Too damned common.

That’s why are there entire organizations DEDICATED to getting falsely imprisoned people out of jail.

What I want to know is, what makes you think false rape accusation is a special butterfly?[/quote]

Its in some of the “Going Mental” talks with Paul Elma and Dr Tara Palmatier, but he claimed that false rape convivtions are the bread and butter of such organizations. [/quote]

Really?

[/quote]

93 percent are men, 7 percent women;
Nearly 50 percent are black, 38 percent white, 11 percent Hispanic and 2 percent Native American or Asian;
48 percent had been falsely convicted of homicides, 35 percent of sexual assaults (23 percent adult, 12 percent child), five percent robberies, five percent other violent crimes, and seven percent drug, white-collar and other non-violent crimes.

Apparently, number two, yes.[/quote]

But homicide’s number one, and nobody’s wringing their hands about how to protect themselves from false murder accusations. Possibly because that would be an insane thing for the average person to worry about?
[/quote]

That is true, but such allegations can fuck you over and ruin your life if you are in college, because after the “Dear College” letter, you can have your life destroyed by a Star Chamber that uses standards of evidence that would be deemed unacceptable for a parking ticket.

You dont have to go to jail.

So many ways to ruin your life in other ways. [/quote]

That, Sir, is a fair point.

well im glad that Orion has his head screwed on straight

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

My wife goes out trail running in the very early hours. This time of year it’s still dark when she goes out. I often worry about something bad happening to her then, as my mind goes with it, I start worrying if something bad does happen if ‘they’ are going to be looking at me. Probably means I watch too much Dateline.[/quote]

I probably shouldn’t speak because we live in different countries and different cities (probably differently sized too) and different crime rates…

I do believe the rape stats, but most rapes are not the dude lurking in the bushes type. Those rapes are incredibly rare and I don’t worry about that at all. The park where I run has areas where there are all sorts of hobos and drifters literally hiding in the bushes, because they camp there and you don’t even know they are there unless you really look for them but they are harmless. I worry when I see a group of young presentable guys though. There’s a new bar that has a douchbag vibe on the edge of the park and this gave me pause about midnight runs on Friday & Saturday nights, but I got over that. Locally though, the teens and young men here are good kids it seems are surprisingly wholesome. They’re even polite when they sexually harass. A couple of times there have been a group of rowdy drinkers in the park that seemed like trouble that upon closer inspection were coworkers :stuck_out_tongue:

I figure that unless your area has a known serial rapist, then it’s fine. Even then, if there hasn’t been an attack in that spot or very near, it’s not a risk. But then again, I forget to lock my door at night sometimes. Pisses my guy off because he’s not around at night during the week. I got a baseball bat and he feels better =)

This reminds me of when I was a teen, and we had the ‘Scarborough Rapist’ and we were always on the lookout for the rapist and his van. It ends up that was (perhaps) statistically kind of silly since we were in the suburbs of Toronto, which is a huge area and a large population and the odds of being the victim of that particular rapist were still ridiculously low and our other behaviours were way more risky, such as getting drunk with any group of strange guys that seemed like they would be fun to hang out with that day. But as teenage girls will be, we would see a van slow down near us and we would OMG SCARBOROUGH RAPIST AHHH RUN! But it was a lot of joking too–I mean we still took rides from strangers as long as they weren’t in a van.

I personally never took it seriously and considered it a bogey man, but my best friend did. Thankfully for me she was reckless enough to go along and not get in the way of our fun and games :stuck_out_tongue: Everything I had ever heard was second hand and never seemed real. I was actually quite shocked later on the hear how real it was. (so perhaps I should re-think my position :stuck_out_tongue: ) One of my friend’s-friend did go missing and we were sudden slapped with a reality that it wasn’t a joke. It ends up she ran away from home and hitchhiked to Montreal and met a bad fate that way that had nothing to do with the Scarborough rapist.

Anyways, the way I see it, sure it could happen but what are the odds? And what becomes of your quality of life if you can’t live because of the fear of such a small chance? I love to run too much and it does so much for my health in so many ways that it is worth the risk. It’s such a waste too to live thinking every dude is a rapist. Most likely the other guy in the park at that hour has snuck out for a smoke or is just walking his dog.
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Hey Deb, do me a favor and ask your boyfriend if in the event you came up missing from one of your midnight runs if he would only be concerned for your welfare or if also, in the back of his mind, he would be thinking "can I prove where I’ve been over the last X hours?

I’m just curious.

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
well im glad that Orion has his head screwed on straight [/quote]
lol

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
well im glad that Orion has his head screwed on straight [/quote]
lol[/quote]

x2

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
well im glad that Orion has his head screwed on straight [/quote]
lol[/quote]

x2[/quote]
You got some good traits dude, but head screwed on straight in regards to relationships is not one of them.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
well im glad that Orion has his head screwed on straight [/quote]
lol[/quote]

x2[/quote]
You got some good traits dude, but head screwed on straight in regards to relationships is not one of them. [/quote]

I know.

[quote]debraD wrote:
Anyways, the way I see it, sure it could happen but what are the odds? And what becomes of your quality of life if you can’t live because of the fear of such a small chance?
[/quote]

I have known four girls which were raped. For all of them it was by an acquaintance.

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Anyways, the way I see it, sure it could happen but what are the odds? And what becomes of your quality of life if you can’t live because of the fear of such a small chance?
[/quote]

I have known four girls which were raped. For all of them it was by an acquaintance.
[/quote]

I know three women who claimed to have been raped, I believe one of them.

She went to the police, he was sentenced and deported after serving that sentence.

One of the guys who allegedly had raped one of the other girls had the shit beaten out of him by a few guys.

I am pretty sure she was just drunk as a skunk and regretted it the next day.

[quote]batman730 wrote:

But homicide’s number one, and nobody’s wringing their hands about how to protect themselves from false murder accusations. Possibly because that would be an insane thing for the average person to worry about?
[/quote]

Possibly because there is a standard of proof that includes, for instance, a dead body. Rape stats are vastly inflated and that really is the truth and this is mostly by organizations that rely on public money for rape victims. Yes I am stating most of them lie for a good cause. However, it is such a serious crime and there is always a lot of anger whenever one occurs that the standard for proof has dropped. It literally is the case that a woman can make and accusation, even an innocently erroneous one and on the strength of that alone can get someone put away. Those bad stats I alluded to are part of the problem because there is a huge gap in reported rapes and actual incidents, so every attempt is made to get a conviction even if the evidence is flimsy (like you can’t give a good alibi) or the local DA looks “soft on rape”.

And most cases of underage sex (both being underage, that is) result in rape charges for the male. Period. This (at least in Illinois, the same state that made a felony out of trying to commit suicide) is the crude state driven way at birth control. This drives a lot of those seemingly wacky stories that a rapist is given visitation rights to his kids. The courts ran him through a conviction that everyone said was bogus, even his victim. Remember this is statutory rape and yes even if she said they were in love and no crime happened it is still legally rape. Happened to my neighbor’s kid who married the guy even though he was on probation for “raping” her and a registered sex offender. They are happily married and have 3 kids. They were 16 and one of his ex girlfriends reported them to the police, which unfortunately they admitted to, being young kids in love and all. That’s called a confession in this neck of the woods and that was that.

Oh and one of the leading reasons for guys being listed as sex offenders in Michigan I recently read is a drive to stop public urination. If you are caught they threaten to charge you with indecent exposure unless you agree to be listed as a sex offender instead. Then you find out it is impossible to get off the list for something like 10 years and you get fired, can’t get a job, can’t be left with your own kids, etc. As I say, sex crimes are a real growth industry for the criminal justice system. Let me emphasize that if the sex offender registry had only bona fide rapists and pedophiles on it I’d say awesome. What I get from my lawyer friends is that it is being abused as part of careerism by DAs and others to pad their numbers for elections.

And a final story is that several years ago one of my kids and a few of his friends were threatened with rape charges because a 12 year old was trying to meet with them for sex. Mind you, she had lied and listed her age as 18 so when they finally looked at her Facebook account it was clear that she was trying to get laid with damned near everyone she could find. Apparently she had decided on a career path as being a single mom and wanted a sperm donor. (No nobody met her, but her parents saw the feed and called the cops on the guys) Had she not listed her age in FB the half a dozen guys FB-ing with her would have been facing up to 30 years for even talking to her. Rape is that harshly prosecuted. That was the statement from the prosecutor when he dropped the matter. If the intent was to scare the shit out of everyone, that did it. We read in the paper a few weeks ago that she got her wish: She had one and is now in county lockup for a $1 million bail for trying to beat her 5 week old baby to death.

– jj