The way I see it, in a strange way, this is all a good thing. For a long time, people were afraid to being up the issue of the border because it would offend the delicate sensibilities of the mythical Latino vote.
But since the Arizona Law came about, it is now ok to take action on illegal immigration. You have alot of legislation right now to address it, and rather than be on the defensive for a long time, closed-border people can now go on the offense. You have laws like Arizona in the works in many states, another bill to deny Birthright Citizenship, another bill to make E-Verify mandatory, and the Secure Communities Program will be mandatory in all 50 states by 2013.
Make no mistake, the catalyst for all this is Gov. Jan Brewer, bitch has a bigger sack than Obama and many other politician scumbags. She made it ok to say fuck you to illegal immigration.
So I guess border patrol is supposed to ID them then shoot them to ensure they are not under 18.
the fact this is an issue is a joke. There is a big giant fence, no trespassing: violates will be shot on sight. [/quote]
Sad again this sends another strong message. That our Border Agents will shoot you for throwing rocks at them, regardless of how old you are. If you are old enough to throw a rock, you’re old enough to get fucked up.
Personally speaking, I think some of the training for Border Patrol Agents should be very close to the training our military receives. Not just regular law enforcement, but soldiers.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The way I see it, in a strange way, this is all a good thing. For a long time, people were afraid to being up the issue of the border because it would offend the delicate sensibilities of the mythical Latino vote.
But since the Arizona Law came about, it is now ok to take action on illegal immigration. You have alot of legislation right now to address it, and rather than be on the defensive for a long time, closed-border people can now go on the offense. You have laws like Arizona in the works in many states, another bill to deny Birthright Citizenship, another bill to make E-Verify mandatory, and the Secure Communities Program will be mandatory in all 50 states by 2013.
Make no mistake, the catalyst for all this is Gov. Jan Brewer, bitch has a bigger sack than Obama and many other politician scumbags. She made it ok to say fuck you to illegal immigration.[/quote]
Brewer is a one topic Gov. she can not talk about anything . she is someones puppet, I am not sure who , but some is pulling her strings
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The way I see it, in a strange way, this is all a good thing. For a long time, people were afraid to being up the issue of the border because it would offend the delicate sensibilities of the mythical Latino vote.
But since the Arizona Law came about, it is now ok to take action on illegal immigration. You have alot of legislation right now to address it, and rather than be on the defensive for a long time, closed-border people can now go on the offense. You have laws like Arizona in the works in many states, another bill to deny Birthright Citizenship, another bill to make E-Verify mandatory, and the Secure Communities Program will be mandatory in all 50 states by 2013.
Make no mistake, the catalyst for all this is Gov. Jan Brewer, bitch has a bigger sack than Obama and many other politician scumbags. She made it ok to say fuck you to illegal immigration.[/quote]
Brewer is a one topic Gov. she can not talk about anything . she is someones puppet, I am not sure who , but some is pulling her strings[/quote]
Probably the prison union and/or lobbyists. She is still a ray of sunshine compared to our absolute crap California legislature.
We could just open the damn border and let an army of the hardest-working, most thrifty, best money saving, family oriented motherfuckers I’ve ever had the privilege of knowing come over and help us resurrect this shit economy. [/quote]
The same way these mighty wisemen did with their own country? You really expect illegal aliens to be the answer to this shit economy? People who make less than minimum wage, drown our schools, prisons, and emergency rooms, and send money back to their respective countries, are the answer?
Fucking Christ man. [/quote]
They wouldn’t be illegal, genius.
They wouldn’t make less than minimum wage. They wouldn’t drown our schools - they would pay taxes to support them like everyone else. They wouldn’t have the same motivation to send money back to Mexico, because they wouldn’t have the same degree of separation from their families… they would have a motivation to set roots.
I’ve worked with and for a number of Mexicans (somewhere in the hundreds), and I can say from that experience and the experience of every person I have ever met who has worked with Mexicans, that their culture is steeped in the very values that our economy needs right now - Stoicism, hard work, persistence, thriftiness, saving…
Also, the history of Mexico and the economic disparity therein is far more complicated than to be chalked up to a collective inadequacy, as your first sentence implied.
Of course… we could just go back to the retarded-ass dialogue that we’ve all heard a million times:
Republicans are xenophobic and Democrats want to pay illegal aliens to do nothing.
Think shit through a little bit…[/quote]
Come to California, you will see why every single aspect you mention is pure FAIL. [/quote]
I’ve lived in California… though, honestly I’ve spent much more time in Texas. I grew up here, and I’ve moved back here recently. I grew up in the construction and restaurant businesses… I know a few things about working with immigrants and illegal aliens from Mexico.
The dynamic in California has much more to do with the size of the population centers near the border than anything else. Like just about all other major cities in the world, LA and San Diego suffer from what amounts to tribalization… the larger and more complex the city, the more complex will be organized crime and gang problems. As should be obvious, organized crime and gangs are almost always homogenous in their cultural makeup.
In most industries, except for agriculture which benefits from conglomeration and massive lobbying dollars, the correlation between pay rates and legal status are vastly overstated. Most employers are not interested in undertaking behavior that could draw the attention of the IRS. May do in fact knowingly employ illegal aliens, but they do so with some from of documentation… it’s not very hard to come by an SS number these days.
Having GM’d a restaurant in Dallas for two years, I can tell you that in this labor market, legal status does not determine pay rate… there are plenty of people, legal and illegal, willing to work for cheap.
You’re welcome to try and make this case, but until you provide evidence other than the opinions of “the people you know,” I’m not buying it… I can confidently make the same argument to counter, and neither of us has any evidence. SInce you brought it up, you ought to substantiate it.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You put the military down there and you will see a huge decrease. Illegal aliens and cartels are much more concerned with soldiers than border patrol. Then, along with what UL mentioned, you have serious internal enforcement. E-Verify, no housing, no schooling, no jobs, no citizenship (which they are now trying to change), you give them literally no reason to come here. That is how you do it. [/quote]
Completely agree with this.
But realize that powerful families in this country make shiploads of cash from the illegal drug trade. The whores in Congress are toothless puppets so decent borders will never happen.