[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am sorry Nick I think you live in an alterd Universe . Life is not all about words and how you can twist them . Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote and Zimmerman robbed Martin of his life [/quote]
Unless I’m misunderstanding what you wrote, you must be quite the bigot to deny that homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals.
I don’t think I’ve ever said blacks have always been allowed to vote…I’m actually fairly certain I never said that.
You’re entitled to your opinion on Zimmerman’s case. However, a jury did not agree with you.[/quote]
Quite simply , Walmart workers coulkd not live on the wages Walmart pays . They collect Welfare and food stamps to survive [/quote]
And I’ll say that there are people getting by on WM pay. Get out into middle USA where housing and taxes are relatively cheap. Some have mobile homes, even cheaper to live it, so their housing is possibly paid up. Then it comes down to living within your means. Get a couple working 2 jobs, not necessarily at WM, and one of them has health benefits that cover the family.
Rob
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
There are piss-poor areas in the US where people will cut each others throat for those minimum-wage jobs and even offer to accept less than minimum wage.
So what flies in Europe may not necessarily fly here. Walmart has us where they want us and we accept that.
Rob[/quote]
Walmart may have us with the collusion of the government but it doesn’t have to be that way. Germany is a prime example. the people need to get together and stand up for what is right and equitable. Unions used to play a big part in this but have been systematically attacked by big business and deserted by politicians.
Fuck Walmart![/quote]
One of the biggest weapons in capitolism is the boycott…so go ahead and boycott them.
If your bitching about shitty wages fuck you, get an education or put forth a better effort to earn more. A lot of people aren’t worth a better wage.
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I don’t shop there. Your point says nothing about the effect the German government had on Walmart. Walmart’s MO is too make as much profit as possible even if it means trampling the workers and making the public subsidize their medical and food allotment. There is a high cost to those low prices. What Walmart does is absolutely immoral. [/quote]
I’d hardly call WM immoral, what they do is totally legal. Retail used to be made up of college and HS kids, part time moms, etc. Face it, retail sucks for a full time job. Every store from Macys to WM has a formula for success and they play it every day.
Do customers shun these stores? Hell no, they trample each other to the sidewalk on Black Friday for a good deal. Go to WM on a Friday night after pay day, the place is jammed with shoppers.
Rob
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote [/quote]
You literally have no idea what a natural right is, nor government’s role as it pertains to them.
You are a progressive’s wet dream. The Frankfurt School literally applauds you, seemingly at every post…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You literally have no idea what a natural right is, nor government’s role as it pertains to them.
You are a progressive’s wet dream. The Frankfurt School literally applauds you, seemingly at every post…[/quote]
A relevant article which was posted this morning, coincidentally…
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You literally have no idea what a natural right is, nor government’s role as it pertains to them.
You are a progressive’s wet dream. The Frankfurt School literally applauds you, seemingly at every post…[/quote]
A relevant article which was posted this morning, coincidentally…
http://www.campaignforliberty.org/national-blog/fiction-not-a-tyrants-handbook/[/quote]
Nice find…the only exception I’d take is that it implies previous administrations were different; and that isn’t the case.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Nice find…the only exception I’d take is that it implies previous administrations were different; and that isn’t the case.
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No doubt. If ever, it’s been a long time since an administration was any different.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote [/quote]
You literally have no idea what a natural right is, nor government’s role as it pertains to them.
You are a progressive’s wet dream. The Frankfurt School literally applauds you, seemingly at every post…[/quote]
We are not talking natural law , Natural law is not legislated , again your grasp on reality slips to match your agenda
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote [/quote]
You literally have no idea what a natural right is, nor government’s role as it pertains to them.
You are a progressive’s wet dream. The Frankfurt School literally applauds you, seemingly at every post…[/quote]
We are not talking natural law , Natural law is not legislated , again your grasp on reality slips to match your agenda
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It is like you understand, yet are conditioned to fight for your own enslavement…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote [/quote]
You literally have no idea what a natural right is, nor government’s role as it pertains to them.
You are a progressive’s wet dream. The Frankfurt School literally applauds you, seemingly at every post…[/quote]
We are not talking natural law , Natural law is not legislated , again your grasp on reality slips to match your agenda
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It is like you understand, yet are conditioned to fight for your own enslavement…
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I am assuming you are insinuating that I am a slave to laws 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote [/quote]
You literally have no idea what a natural right is, nor government’s role as it pertains to them.
You are a progressive’s wet dream. The Frankfurt School literally applauds you, seemingly at every post…[/quote]
We are not talking natural law , Natural law is not legislated , again your grasp on reality slips to match your agenda
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It is like you understand, yet are conditioned to fight for your own enslavement…
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I am assuming you are insinuating that I am a slave to laws
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No, not what I’m saying.
What I’m saying:
You ever read 1984?
You are Winston, after O’Brien has his way with him. Except you don’t need an O’Brien, you don’t need torture. You worship BigBrother 100% of your own volition.
Enjoy that.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote [/quote]
You literally have no idea what a natural right is, nor government’s role as it pertains to them.
You are a progressive’s wet dream. The Frankfurt School literally applauds you, seemingly at every post…[/quote]
We are not talking natural law , Natural law is not legislated , again your grasp on reality slips to match your agenda
[/quote]
It is like you understand, yet are conditioned to fight for your own enslavement…
[/quote]
I am assuming you are insinuating that I am a slave to laws
[/quote]
No, not what I’m saying.
What I’m saying:
You ever read 1984?
You are Winston, after O’Brien has his way with him. Except you don’t need an O’Brien, you don’t need torture. You worship BigBrother 100% of your own volition.
Enjoy that. [/quote]
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/canalysis.html
You could not be more off base unless you Claim Blacks have always had the right to vote or that Gays have alays had the right to marry .
I contend you are full of shit:)
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/canalysis.html
You could not be more off base unless you Claim Blacks have always had the right to vote or that Gays have alays had the right to marry .
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Your continued display that you lack even a basic understand of natural rights aside, had you actually read the book, you would know that my comment wasn’t really an insult.
See I feel that Orwell was making a commentary on the human condition as much as he was on the horror of a totalitarian government.
If one is to blindly see the early mentions of OBrien and the stories of Winston’s wife as foreshadowing, it doesn’t quite add up and seems like lazy writing. Too obvious. So, if one were to assume that the mentions of OBrien, and the stories of Winston’s wife as a clue that the torture he endures at the end of the book isn’t the first time OBrien has given him his reeducation things start to get a little bit more clear.
And that is the bright spot, and why me calling you Winston isn’t an insult. Winston had been beaten down at least once before, and the same feelings, the same knowing, the same recognition that life wasn’t intended to be this way, and we are creatures born with freedom, came back to him. And it comes back, because we are human, and we know these things to be true.
All I am saying is you are willingly a victim of doublething and newspeak, for reasons I can’t fathom, but you are. You don’t need torture or reeducation. For whatever reason you embrace it, even though you know the truth. You are the personification of the last paragraph of the book, to a T.
Votes to be counted must be recognized as legal , as well as if some one is to get legal benefit from marriage it must be legal
I personally think you just demagogue the conversation .I just can not understand what you get out of willful miscommunication
You know as well as I do that I am not a slave to any laws . I know and follow most natural laws , with the exception of trying to communicate with idiots
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Votes to be counted must be recognized as legal , as well as if some one is to get legal benefit from marriage it must be legal
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Government is not your fucking daddy. Government doesn’t tell you what is or isn’t your right.
Government can only protect your rights, or ignore them. It can not make new ones or take them away. Rights are constant irrelevant of government.
Not recognizing the black vote was ignoring their right to self government, freedom to choose. They always had the right, the government just fucked up by not protecting their rights they were born with and forever had.
I know this is hard to understand in the world of newspeak Winston, particularly given fucking idiots like John Edwards go around calling gun ownership a privilege and the internet a right. But if you actually take a second to think, this will all make sense.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Not recognizing the black vote was ignoring their right to self government, freedom to choose. They always had the right, the government just fucked up by not protecting their rights they were born with and forever had.
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You need to expound on this , I can not wrap my head around why any one would want to vote if it did not count. Or how one persons vote and another’s don’t but they are legal ? I personally know this is a crock of shit but I am curious if you really believe yourself and if so how you justify it . Thanks
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You need to expound on this , I can not wrap my head around why any one would want to vote if it did not count. Or how one persons vote and another’s don’t but they are legal ? I personally know this is a crock of shit but I am curious if you really believe yourself and if so how you justify it . Thanks
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EVERYONE has rights to life, liberty, and property. The “right” to vote is just part of those basic rights. NOBODY has the right to anyone else’s life, liberty, or property(barring circumstances such as one taking those rights from someone else). Countingbeans and I never said that gay marriage or blacks’ votes have always been recognized or legal.
You are coming from a totally different direction than countingbeans and me. You do not believe in natural rights, only in what the government allows you. You believe you, countingbeans, and I are the property of the government.
Blacks have always and will always have the right to determine who, if anyone, they want telling them what to do. Homosexuals have always and will always have the right to “marry” whoever they want. “Master” may not recognize those rights, but they have them.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Not recognizing the black vote was ignoring their right to self government, freedom to choose. They always had the right, the government just fucked up by not protecting their rights they were born with and forever had.
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You need to expound on this , I can not wrap my head around why any one would want to vote if it did not count. Or how one persons vote and another’s don’t but they are legal ? I personally know this is a crock of shit but I am curious if you really believe yourself and if so how you justify it . Thanks
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Nick actually explains it pretty well. You are Winston without the need to be forced.
Government will always be and always has been a necessary evil because our population isn’t still small tribes who rub sticks together and wear loin cloths. Government’s role in our lives will vary depending on who is being governed and who is governing.
Even the Russian citizens under Stalin had all the same rights. Their government just oppressed them and prevented them from exercising them. Government isn’t the be all and end all. Government is simply a group of people, like you and I, telling you what to do, facilitating activities and offering protection. These group of people don’t decide what your rights are, your rights are your rights. You are born with them, and as long as you live you have them. If your government sucks, you don’t get to exercise them much though.
I do believe in natural rights and I do believe in rights our Government gives us and they are not synonymous . I am not ducking out of a good conversation but I will be gone a few days , will pick this up asap
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Nick actually explains it pretty well. You are Winston without the need to be forced.
Government will always be and always has been a necessary evil because our population isn’t still small tribes who rub sticks together and wear loin cloths. Government’s role in our lives will vary depending on who is being governed and who is governing.
Even the Russian citizens under Stalin had all the same rights. Their government just oppressed them and prevented them from exercising them. Government isn’t the be all and end all. Government is simply a group of people, like you and I, telling you what to do, facilitating activities and offering protection. These group of people don’t decide what your rights are, your rights are your rights. You are born with them, and as long as you live you have them. If your government sucks, you don’t get to exercise them much though. [/quote]
Government is a necessary evil because the majority of us haven’t advanced beyond those living in small tribes, rubbing sticks together, and wearing loin cloths. The vast majority are so primitive they could not deal with the freedom to make voluntary transactions. Most people are too primitive and stupid to understand self-interest. Having no government would be great if it weren’t for evil people who want to rule others, and lemmings who want to be ruled. Their majority would be so great they would be able to force a government(or many competing warlords) on the people.