[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Why can’t government elected officials do the same thing?
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I already said they can. They SHOULD not because they’re an uninvolved third party.[/quote]
In an actual free market economy the government should be an uninvolved third party. The United States is many decades removed from free markets. At every level the ‘state’ determines; through a variety of means; who the winners and losers will be.
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I see your point, but not always. Solyndra?[/quote]
It would interesting to get a look at the net worth of the Solyndra executives before and after the venture.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
You’re a good little socialist. I, on the other hand, see no reason people can’t refuse to work for Wal-Mart for less than the worth they assign themselves.[/quote]
And you see no reason to stand up to the powerful and demand more. A total coward who doesn’t care about the public.
Plus you have no real answer to the Germany question other than to call me a socialist. You have no argument as to why the U.S. cannot do the same thing. [/quote]
I believe if you take a look at my second sentence, you’ll see that I see no reason workers can’t “stand up to the powerful and demand more.”
What other answer are you looking for in regards to Germany? You don’t believe people should be free. I do. I don’t believe I ever said the U.S. can’t do the same. Can and should are different.[/quote]
But will the US workers stand up for themselves? Probably not enough of them to mean shit. If an entire Walmart or other company went on strike, there would be armored trucks bringing in replacement workers the same day. Would the shoppers stay home? Hell no.
And they would be tickled pink to be paid the minimum-wage. No matter how bad you think you’re getting fucked in the wallet, someone is delighted to take your shit-pay job away from you.
Rob
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
In an actual free market economy the government should be an uninvolved third party. The United States is many decades removed from free markets. At every level the ‘state’ determines; through a variety of means; who the winners and losers will be.
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No doubt. However, the government is still an uninvolved third party(well I guess it involves itself). Two wrongs never make a right, so I’m not in favor of regulation.
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
But will the US workers stand up for themselves? Probably not enough of them to mean shit. If an entire Walmart or other company went on strike, there would be armored trucks bringing in replacement workers the same day. Would the shoppers stay home? Hell no.
And they would be tickled pink to be paid the minimum-wage. No matter how bad you think you’re getting fucked in the wallet, someone is delighted to take your shit-pay job away from you.
Rob [/quote]
Then they would have overestimated their value. You’re arguing that people don’t know what’s best for themselves.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Why can’t government elected officials do the same thing?
[/quote]
I already said they can. They SHOULD not because they’re an uninvolved third party.[/quote]
In an actual free market economy the government should be an uninvolved third party. The United States is many decades removed from free markets. At every level the ‘state’ determines; through a variety of means; who the winners and losers will be.
[/quote]
I see your point, but not always. Solyndra?[/quote]
It would interesting to get a look at the net worth of the Solyndra executives before and after the venture.
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Me too. Up about $10-20 MM would be my guess.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
But will the US workers stand up for themselves? Probably not enough of them to mean shit. If an entire Walmart or other company went on strike, there would be armored trucks bringing in replacement workers the same day. Would the shoppers stay home? Hell no.
And they would be tickled pink to be paid the minimum-wage. No matter how bad you think you’re getting fucked in the wallet, someone is delighted to take your shit-pay job away from you.
Rob [/quote]
Then they would have overestimated their value. You’re arguing that people don’t know what’s best for themselves.[/quote]
I’ve seen people earing $9.00 an hour think they should be making $50K a year with a HS diploma or a GED. “They can’t run this place without me.”. Well, guess what… if someone can be trained in a week or two, they are most certainly easily replaceable. Working retail is a bottom-feeder type job that average people can master quickly. Turnover may be quick, but employees will hang in at a menial job for a decade or more.
Any organized business has a detailed plan that exists to contain costs and maximize profits. The human-end of it is the wild card, management strives to get the best people possible at the lowest possible salary.
I’ve seen some real sharp people in jobs that weren’t making a lot of money considering what they were doing. They are a manager’s dream.
Rob
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
There are piss-poor areas in the US where people will cut each others throat for those minimum-wage jobs and even offer to accept less than minimum wage.
So what flies in Europe may not necessarily fly here. Walmart has us where they want us and we accept that.
Rob[/quote]
Walmart may have us with the collusion of the government but it doesn’t have to be that way. Germany is a prime example. the people need to get together and stand up for what is right and equitable. Unions used to play a big part in this but have been systematically attacked by big business and deserted by politicians.
Fuck Walmart![/quote]
One of the biggest weapons in capitolism is the boycott…so go ahead and boycott them.
If your bitching about shitty wages fuck you, get an education or put forth a better effort to earn more. A lot of people aren’t worth a better wage.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Why can’t government elected officials do the same thing?
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I already said they can. They SHOULD not because they’re an uninvolved third party. If you offer to pay for someone’s food at McDonald’s, then he/she decides he/she wants you to pay for his/her meal at Outback, should the first person you two pass on the street be able to make you pay for dinner wherever he/she wants(while pointing a gun at you)?[/quote]
I don’t follow your point. Sounds a bit convoluted to me. Maybe you can make it more succinct. Government is -unfortunately the only organization- big enough to take on the mega-corporations like Walmart. The German government made ultimatums and Walmart abided. The U.S. government should/ought to do the same.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
In an actual free market economy the government should be an uninvolved third party. The United States is many decades removed from free markets. At every level the ‘state’ determines; through a variety of means; who the winners and losers will be.
[/quote]
No doubt. However, the government is still an uninvolved third party(well I guess it involves itself). Two wrongs never make a right, so I’m not in favor of regulation. [/quote]
WWhere you in favor of the deregulation that led to the financial collapse in 2008?
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
There are piss-poor areas in the US where people will cut each others throat for those minimum-wage jobs and even offer to accept less than minimum wage.
So what flies in Europe may not necessarily fly here. Walmart has us where they want us and we accept that.
Rob[/quote]
Walmart may have us with the collusion of the government but it doesn’t have to be that way. Germany is a prime example. the people need to get together and stand up for what is right and equitable. Unions used to play a big part in this but have been systematically attacked by big business and deserted by politicians.
Fuck Walmart![/quote]
One of the biggest weapons in capitolism is the boycott…so go ahead and boycott them.
If your bitching about shitty wages fuck you, get an education or put forth a better effort to earn more. A lot of people aren’t worth a better wage.
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I don’t shop there. Your point says nothing about the effect the German government had on Walmart. Walmart’s MO is too make as much profit as possible even if it means trampling the workers and making the public subsidize their medical and food allotment. There is a high cost to those low prices. What Walmart does is absolutely immoral.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Why can’t government elected officials do the same thing?
[/quote]
I already said they can. They SHOULD not because they’re an uninvolved third party.[/quote]
In an actual free market economy the government should be an uninvolved third party. The United States is many decades removed from free markets. At every level the ‘state’ determines; through a variety of means; who the winners and losers will be.
[/quote]
I see your point, but not always. Solyndra?[/quote]
Has there ever been an uninvolved government anytime? The internet was created in the public sector. Defense sector to be more exact. The public paid for it’s incubation. This did not occur in the so called “free-market”.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
There are piss-poor areas in the US where people will cut each others throat for those minimum-wage jobs and even offer to accept less than minimum wage.
So what flies in Europe may not necessarily fly here. Walmart has us where they want us and we accept that.
Rob[/quote]
Walmart may have us with the collusion of the government but it doesn’t have to be that way. Germany is a prime example. the people need to get together and stand up for what is right and equitable. Unions used to play a big part in this but have been systematically attacked by big business and deserted by politicians.
Fuck Walmart![/quote]
One of the biggest weapons in capitolism is the boycott…so go ahead and boycott them.
If your bitching about shitty wages fuck you, get an education or put forth a better effort to earn more. A lot of people aren’t worth a better wage.
[/quote]
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
WWhere you in favor of the deregulation that led to the financial collapse in 2008?[/quote]
I’m in favor of deregulation. Regulation is the root of economic problems.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
I don’t shop there. Your point says nothing about the effect the German government had on Walmart. Walmart’s MO is too make as much profit as possible even if it means trampling the workers and making the public subsidize their medical and food allotment. There is a high cost to those low prices. What Walmart does is absolutely immoral. [/quote]
Wal-Mart makes the public subsidize its workers?
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
I don’t shop there. Your point says nothing about the effect the German government had on Walmart. Walmart’s MO is too make as much profit as possible even if it means trampling the workers and making the public subsidize their medical and food allotment. There is a high cost to those low prices. What Walmart does is absolutely immoral. [/quote]
Wal-Mart makes the public subsidize its workers?[/quote]
Yes
I am sorry Nick I think you live in an alterd Universe . Life is not all about words and how you can twist them . Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote and Zimmerman robbed Martin of his life
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Wal-Mart makes the public subsidize its workers?[/quote]
Yes
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I did not know that. Thank you for letting me in on that secret. Would you mind explaining the way Wal-Mart does that?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am sorry Nick I think you live in an alterd Universe . Life is not all about words and how you can twist them . Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote and Zimmerman robbed Martin of his life [/quote]
Unless I’m misunderstanding what you wrote, you must be quite the bigot to deny that homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals.
I don’t think I’ve ever said blacks have always been allowed to vote…I’m actually fairly certain I never said that.
You’re entitled to your opinion on Zimmerman’s case. However, a jury did not agree with you.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am sorry Nick I think you live in an alterd Universe . Life is not all about words and how you can twist them . Gays have never had the same rights as Heteros have , Blacks were not always allowed to vote and Zimmerman robbed Martin of his life [/quote]
Unless I’m misunderstanding what you wrote, you must be quite the bigot to deny that homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals.
I don’t think I’ve ever said blacks have always been allowed to vote…I’m actually fairly certain I never said that.
You’re entitled to your opinion on Zimmerman’s case. However, a jury did not agree with you.[/quote]
Quite simply , Walmart workers coulkd not live on the wages Walmart pays . They collect Welfare and food stamps to survive
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Quite simply , Walmart workers coulkd not live on the wages Walmart pays . They collect Welfare and food stamps to survive [/quote]
Even if that is/were true, it’s the government forcing taxpayers to pay for those things. IF ANYTHING, you could say that Wal-Mart takes advantage of that.